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@hey-yo
That doesnt mean the black community is not disenfranchised or discriminated against by a large scale.
Any black person can vote as long as they can prove citizenship and are 18. They are not disenfranchised.
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@FLRW
In his book “Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?” King said a “society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro.”
Like give them equal rights? Hate to break it to you but objectively my position is far more feasible
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@Vegasgiants
You must be young and have never go thru this beforeI've gone thru it 70 times
Waiting till the last minute to agree to spending cuts? Couldn’t be me
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@hey-yo
You realize MLK would be against affirmative action right? Or is being against affirmative action racist
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@Vegasgiants
My god you have to be kidding. Lol
We’ll see who’s kidding when the GOP gets spending cuts :)
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@Vegasgiants
This is how the game is played. It's called negotiationDo you honestly not know how this works?
That’s the problem. Joe Biden refuses to negotiate
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@Vegasgiants
Not really. You get a few grains of sand but we get the beach. Lol
That’s clearly not the position of the Democrats. Otherwise they would’ve agreed to some cuts long ago. Keep dreaming
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@Greyparrot
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
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@Vegasgiants
You mean the gop bill falls flat on its face? Yep. Lol
I don’t know what world you live on, but any bill that cuts spending in exchange for debt ceiling raise is a win for Republicans.
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@Vegasgiants
Joe will.make the deal when Joe makes the deal. But we will not default and that house bill is toast
GOP gets spending cuts, we’re happy. Joe gonna be a loser like Obama
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@Vegasgiants
At the white house where he should beThe debt ceiling debate often has come down to the last minuteDo you think this is the first time?
Last time this happened, Obama and Democrats caved on a deal. What’s Joe waitin for?
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@Vegasgiants
Zero percent chance the house bill.passes the senate
Okay then it’s Option 1 or Option 3. Option 1 is where it’s been at for months now. Where has Joe been?
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@Kaitlyn
He’s just salty that he can’t date you.
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@Vegasgiants
They will let that bill die and simply raise the debt ceiling
It’s a passed bill. Senate can’t even pass a clean debt ceiling hike bill. 43 GOP senators have come out against that concept — enough to hold a filibuster.
Biden has three options: propose his own bill with some spending cuts in exchange for debt ceiling, pass the House bill, or default.
The more time passes, the more likely option 2 happens.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Then not one dime to red states!
If that’s Joe Biden’s offer, he should come to the table and put it.
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@Greyparrot
Did you watch the video?
Indeed. Texas cops don’t mess around.
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@Vegasgiants
The bill will not pass the senate and the gop will cave and raise the debt limit
They don’t have time to pass a new bill :)
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The ball is the Dems’ court. House GOP passed a bill. The Senate and Biden haven’t lifted a finger
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@Kaitlyn
Mhm yeah.Pretty embarrassing that he's caught feelings for me, and then starts talking about masturbation and big butts. Maybe it's projection on his part, too.But who can blame him for catching feelings for me <3
Blame Joe Biden
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@Greyparrot
Too much Bud Light
Everyone hates Bud now
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@Kaitlyn
He’s just flirting with you. Can’t get the stuff irl
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@Kaitlyn
The expert on masturbation has spoken.
Lmaoooooo.
Welcome to the site!
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@Greyparrot
I’m chillin. My brother was there 2 hours before the shooting. We had a relative in the Michael Kors nearby during the shooting. He’s safe
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I’ve walked the corner where people were shot about 50 times. Horrible what happened.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Where are you getting this information? When was the last time he crossed the border into the US?
Between 2016 and now. But let’s be honest, Biden has had record immigration numbers. Odds are more likely than not he came because of Biden’s Border
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The blood is on Joe Biden and his open borders policy that allowed a person who has been deported multiple times to come into the US
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All I’m gonna say is if my daughter has to compete with a trans male to female, the school board is going to have some problems
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@Mharman
It’s like allowing someone who is 19 participate in a 5 year old’s sport. In 20 years, age will also be fluid. Who cares about science
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@K_Michael
It looks like you missed the Australia part.
I know, the greater context includes the United States too though
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I’m surprised women haven’t sued these people under Title IX
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Japan is closer to Russia than the US. Probably far far cheaper to use Russian oil
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Asa Hutchison refused to sign his own legislature’s redistricting proposal, letting it become law without his signature. He’s a 0% and a Bush Establishment Republican that both sides hate
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A transgender individual shot up a Christian school. Talk about hate crime. But wait, that term is only reserved for when African Americans get shot by white cops
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@YouFound_Lxam
Trump is a known entity who doesn’t have the backing of the Bush/Cheney wing of the GOP. Trump over DeSantis any day. But if DeSantis is the nominee, I will gladly vote for him. If I were Ron DeSantis I would wait, not risk tanking my political career. Hell I would openly ask to be VP
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@Greyparrot
Dudes in my generation like this guy are why the nation is going to shit. Very sad.
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@TheUnderdog
You said previously the divide between small states and big states was what mattered as to why the electoral college is a thing. Now you are saying it isn't.
Cause back then, small state = small population and big state = big population…critical thinking and history.
There was a time when the great compromise was needed, but now the states are much more similar to one another, so it's not needed anymore. It would make more sense to rather than give states electoral votes, you give ethnic groups in the US electoral votes. But I don't agree with this since everyone's vote should be equal, so I say the same thing about the electoral college.
You can’t revoke the Great Compromise without there being a Civil War. You’re arguing about a topic that has zero solvency. The Electoral College cannot go away without a Constitutional Amendment; enough states are there to oppose it.
Ad hominin attack; you’re sounding woke.
Not really. I’m calling out your lack of ability to do basic research while arguing with someone. It’s like someone bringing a pencil to gun fight. I have the gun, you have the pencil right now.
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@Sidewalker
No need to "chase" somebody when they're in a prison cell.
That’s what you’ve been saying for 7 years
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Did you see the letter written by Michael Cohen’s lawyer? Who are the two people you should never lie to? Your doctor and and your lawyer
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Do me and let it all out
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@Greyparrot
Looks like Alvin Bragg hid 100s of pages of exculpatory information from the grand jury. Yikes
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That was one of the charges. And the perjury was for lying to Congress to protect Donald Trump.
Then he’s definitely not credible lol.
Why does Trump hire so many people who are convicted felons?
He was fine before he got fired
So when the government convicts a Mafia boss by flipping a lower level gangster, one who is a murderer even, those convictions are not credible?I thought conservatives were tough on crime
That’s a false equivalency. Murder =/= Lying. If you’re relying on a person who has a history of perjury to tell you the truth about something, their testimony should be questioned.
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@TheUnderdog
We don't need military R&D.
You’re being ignorant. When China gets a Sixth Gen fighter jet to destroy our Air Force come back to me and tell me military R&D is not needed.
If your values changed because of something you learned about Bush, then fine. But I have a feeling if Trump was the first person to say we should go to war with Russia to protect Ukranian freedom and democracy, all the MAGA people would support us getting involved with Ukraine and all the never Trumpers would oppose the war (just like they did for Iraq with Bush).
I don’t want new wars. Trump doesn’t control me as I said earlier.
But since the left is so convinced that Trump is a Russian asset, they decided to stand with Ukraine and since the right went from, "America should be the world's police" to , "America first", the parties switched on war.
Again you’re assuming things about people.
The US military budget funds the military helping out other countries.
So we should pull out of NATO? Okay lol. Again, you’re being ignorant. Should aid to Pakistan be stopped? Absolutely. I’m not saying that everything the military budget spends on is good; I said clearly at the beginning we need to cut waste.
America has more guns in civilian hands than any other country; no country is going to invade us.
You can’t predict the future. And the reason why no one would invade us is cause we have the top military in the world, not cause everyone has guns lol.
About every 2 weeks to a month, I change my stance on about 1 issue. But I believe more or less the same thing that I did 1.5 years ago. The opinions aren't 100% in line, but they are close enough.
But that’s my point. You’re not sticking to your values if you change your opinion every time an election happens. You have to have some moral beliefs that are immovable.
This is true, but I don't expect every student to get a 4.0 GPA at their high school. It's not fair that the elderly got pratically free college when they were my age and I don't.
Then do they really want to go to school? You don’t need at 4.0 to go to college. Also the times your grandparents lived in were different. Social Security wasn’t insolvent cause baby boomers were booming. Entitlement spending in certain cases didn’t exist. It’s a false equivalency to compare them to us when you’re getting more benefits than they had.
So then have free college and get rid of woke majors like gender studies, lesbian dance theory, and critical race theory.
You cannot do that either cause Dems would oppose you lol. That’s my point. You can claim to be an independent all you want. Both bases are going to oppose your “middle” policy. And either way private institutions can teach whatever they want.
I don't want anyone forced to have the COVID vaccine in their body. It seems the GOP wants a vaccine mandate for the undocumented but not for native born citizens.
No one said that. We are pointing out the hypocrisy of the Biden administration. We want no illegal immigration and no vaccine mandates. Dems want the opposite which is impossible.
There are 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country; I don't think the vast majority of them were brought by cartels.
Sure but if they came through the Southern Border a lot of them were. I don’t think there should be mass deportations. But if you’re caught committing some type of crime, you should be deported.
In a party less society, about 1/8 people would hold all 3 beliefs, but in a society with parties, it's about 1/2. The other half disagree on all 3. Where are the people for the remaining 6 combinations? They barely exist because people want to be tribalistic (and that's bad).
Thats literally not how it works lol. Youre assuming correlation = causation. Parties don’t cause morals. Morals cause parties.
How am I doing it? I go after both parties.
Yet you still vote for one party…
I'm not a future predictor, but I think in 2 years, I will agree with at least 70% of what I believe now.
And that’s the problem. You’d never survive in a zombie apocalypse if you don’t have a clear tribe. Anyways I’m gonna happily end this discussion. I just wanted to point out that voting Democrat just cause Republicans are hypocrites does not acknowledge that Dems are hypocrites as well and therefore it’s a false criteria.
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@Tejretics
Not sure which 2008 Democrats you’re talking about, but changing your views on something (e.g., whether to recognize trans people for their gender identity) is different than being a hypocrite -- Republicans didn’t change their minds on abortion, they just stood by Herschel Walker anyway; they didn’t change their minds on violence against children, they just stood by Roy Moore anyway.
So it’s okay for Americans to change their views but Herschel Walker can’t? Roy Moore also recently won a defamation lawsuit and he actually lost to Doug Jones, so not really a good argument. If you’re arguing that Dems aren’t hypocrites, you’re wrong.
Almost all of the national Democratic establishment pushed Northam to step down immediately, including Biden. Which Republicans did that about Moore and Walker, or about other candidates who’ve done equally discriminatory things (e.g., Representative Greene’s past anti-Semitism)?
But did he step down? No. Did voters hold them accountable? No. You remember Steve King from Iowa? He lost the primary to Randy Feenstra. Republicans holding people accountable. If you’re going to talk about MTG let’s also talk about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
Not sure how this is “hypocrisy,” and not clear why the fact that others didn’t get something (had to work hard to pay off student loans) means no one else should in the future.
Cause it’s unfair? Why should someone who worked two jobs to pay off their own student heavily subsidize student loans of people who willingly entered the contracts to pay for gender studies. If you don’t have the finances to go to college there are other profession where you earn just as much if not more.
To be clear, I thought student loan forgiveness was a bad idea in an inflationary period (and I opposed it, quite vocally), but I’m truly confused by this -- most people whose student loans are targeted by forgiveness programs are middle class, and there’s clearly reasonable arguments for it.
Like what? Increasing the deficit by 1.3 trillion? It’s illogical. If you can’t afford college and still want to go take out loans. If you don’t then go to trade school. Have your parents help you out. Next thing you know we’re going to make mortgages free too cause houses are expensive.
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Cohen went to jail for perjury. What a credible witness
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This worse than the Biden’s getting paid by the Chinese
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@TheUnderdog
Compared to other items (military budget) free college doesn't get this nation that much in debt. It costs about $60 billion a year (vs $800 billion for the military). Anyone who supports the military budget being that high is not for a balanced budget, no matter what justification they try to give for the military budget being so high ("It defends freedom", "Protects our interests"). The military kills innocent civilians so the military budget should be 1% of the GDP.
You realize the military budget does more than just buy weapons right? It funds R&D. Is there waste? I’m sure there is. I don’t know where the hell you got the 60 billion number from lol. Current student debt is at 1.76 trillion and that’s with tens of thousands not even taking loans. The military kills terrorists and is there as a deterrent. Should we be sending billions to Ukraine as a blank check? No.
You can have free college and free trade schools for those that want to do it. That would be pro trade school.
There is no such thing as free. You are going to have to raise taxes to pay for the trillions this would cost lol.
They can gather around a certain politician, but not around a party. If you like Donald Trump because he's pro life and you agree with that, I have no issue with that. But don't be afraid to criticize Trump when he says something you disagree with.
I do. I called him out for doing things I disagree with. Am I going to vote Democrat cause of those 2 things? Absolutely not.
Abortion has nothing to do with immigration.
Sure, it doesn’t.
You can want abortion banned (generally) and oppose deportations (generally) (or vice versa). The presence of political parties has led to the vast majority of vocally pro life people supporting deportations with the converse, inverse, and contrapositive being true. Since abortion has nothing to do with whether the undocumented get deported or not, people shouldn't base their opinion on the undocumented on their opinion of abortion (or vice versa). But political parties have caused this to happen, and it's made otherwise free thinkers into group thinkers.
If I seem to recall, it’s you who conflates the two issues. Illegal immigration is against the law. Hell against the law of every developed country. Even abortion is banned after like 10 weeks in the EU while we have up to birth abortion.
There are 2 tribes; democrats and republicans, and group think happens within both of these parties.
Again: false. You can be tribalistic with any viewpoint. Whether it’s the death penalty or something else.
If the parties switch on any issue gradually, the base follows along and switches their values because of what the parties say. They did that in my lifetime with American interventionism. Prager U (a right wing source) is pro interventionist below:Why America's Military Must Be Strong - YouTube
Why shouldn’t values change with new information? It would’ve been good to know that Bush lied about there being WMDs in Iraq right? It would’ve been good to know that the US did the Gulf of Tonkin event no? Sure values can change over time. But Indy’s like you, they change every two years.
This was before Trump was elected. The left disagreed, citing the huge expense of the military budget and the deaths of civilians.
The military industrial complex is a whole other debate.
Now, the people that want America's military to be strong (for Ukraine) are on the left. The right disagrees, citing America first (which is the SAME argument the left was saying 8 years ago (the huge expense of the military budget).
You can be AMERICA First and still have a high military budget. They aren’t exclusive.
There are hundreds of poor smart students that want to go to school to learn but are prevented because of the cost (which would be made free if the government paid for 100% of college costs instead of the 60% that they currently do).
That has nothing to do with affirmative action. Poor kids can go to school for free if they get the required grades and everything. I am completely okay with that. Race should not be a determinant though.
You didn't address the following point: There was a time in US history when college was practically free for people. Nobody cared; free college was like free high school. Why should it be any different now?
Cause there weren’t majors like gender studies back then lol. Not to mention you have dropped at least 15 arguments of mine by now.
How so? What does immigration policy have to do with vaccine mandates or gun control?
Sure, I’ll humor you. Joe Biden and Dems wanted vaccine mandates but were okay with illegals crossing the border who didn’t have vaccines. Cartels are behind illegal immigration. Check out Fast and Furious with Obama and guns to cartels.
You can want ICE abolished and want no vaccine mandates and more gun control.You can want ICE abolished and want no vaccine mandates and less gun control.You can want ICE abolished and want vaccine mandates and more gun control.You can want ICE abolished and want vaccine mandates and less gun control.You can want ICE not abolished and want no vaccine mandates and more gun control.You can want ICE not abolished and want no vaccine mandates and less gun control.You can want ICE not abolished and want vaccine mandates and more gun control.You can want ICE not abolished and want vaccine mandates and less gun control.If someone had ANY of the 6 non bolded stances, they would be thinking for themselves. But if their stance is bolded, they probably not thinking for themselves and looking at these issues through their party's lens instead of their own. My stance on these issues is underlined.
Why though. Who are you to determine what stances people can have or can’t. I hold all three of those stances. ICE should not be abolished. There shouldn’t be vaccine mandates, and there shouldn’t be more gun control. ICE is needed to uphold immigration law; vaccine mandates are violations of the 4th amendment; and gun control is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. In a party less society, a person can have those beliefs. You saying they can’t is laughable.
That's not good and it should stop.
Good luck trying lol. You’re doing it right now.
If you dislike Trump because of mean tweets and you don't want to vote for him because of it, I have no issue with that. But don't be afraid to give him credit on the abortion issue if you were pro life pre Trump. Don't be afraid to give him credit on immigration if you liked ICE pre Trump.
Again my entire point was that GOP/Dems out of a 100 policies are 90-10 or 10-90. Independents switch around every couple of years 52-48, 47-53, etc. GOP and Dems stick to their beliefs. It’s the independents that by definition switch.
There is an exception if you changed your mind on the issue, but if you change your mind on an issue, don't have it be because somebody you don't like backed a position. Change your mind because of logic that was used to change your mind.
Every 2 years you’re going to change all your values to support the opposite party, okay lol.
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@TheUnderdog
So you’re fine with college being free as long as you go in state? I mean, you have no issue with state taxes that go to state colleges, so why not make the entire thing free for in state residents?
Cause I believe in a balanced budget and also the fact that trade school is also important. Nothing is ever free.
It's not good to be tribalistic now, just like during the caveman days, you could be a racist, but now that is taboo because society changed.
Humans are inherently tribalistic whether consciously or subconsciously.
Similarly, society should change by getting rid of political parties and forcing every politician to run as an independent.
Why? If people want to band together and run under a common platform, why should that be disallowed. You’re essentially taking away their right to gather.
Tribalism is bad; it prohibits free thought and it promotes group think.
False. If there is only one tribe then your argument would be true; as long as there are more than one, by definition groupthink cannot be possible.
What does Affirmative action have to do with free college or vaccine mandates?
Why should I subsidize someone who doesn’t even belong there. There are hundreds of hard working Asian students that want to go to school to learn but are prevented because affirmative action allowing African Americans and Hispanics who aren’t as engaged in education.
On some of these issues I'm left and others I'm right wing. Why are pretty much all the loud anti Affirmitive action people anti free college and anti vacciene mandate (or vice versa)? The issues have nothing to do with each other, so your stance on one issue shouldn't impact your stance on the other.
The issues are correlated most of the time. Most issues affect other issues.
And if tribalism was encouraged, there would be no way you could convince a democrat on ANY issue you believe in because to convince them on one issue (Affirmative action), you would have to simultaneously convince them on the 81 issues that democrats and republicans disagree on.
You can be in more than one tribe at once…political tribes aren’t the only tribes that exist.
It's impossible for one partisan to convince another partisan, but the independents are a different story, because they don't look at issues through a partisan lens.
They don’t consciously look at it through a partisan view, but subconsciously they do it. Why do suburban moms dislike Trump? Because they don’t like the mean Tweets. Mean tweets = political correctness issue.
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