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@Double_R
The president is either responsible for gas prices or he isn’t. Which one is it?
I already did. The President is responsible. The reason prices are going down is because supply is increasing namely from Venezuela as I mentioned earlier and Saudi Arabia after the whole Saudis didn’t kill Kashoggi thing
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@IwantRooseveltagain
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Biden is getting oil from the socialists and authoritarian in Venezuela. Supply really does matter huh
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Wait so now Russia isn’t causing inflation and higher gas prices? What gives
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That’s nonsense
I can point various instances of him thinking not too great about black people
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I have no idea, but if you support Trump then you are supporting a person who traffics in a white grievance and white supremacy view of the world.Someone who tells the Proud Boys during a televised Presidential debate to “stand back and stand by”.From the LA Times article posted by GP: “Skin color and upbringing don’t preclude anyone from being an enabler of white supremacy…”
Biden is a white supremacist too. Again using your standards, both are equal.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are you talking about white supremacy or never admitting a mistake?
Do you think I am white?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Did you support these three budget busters who all gave us calamity? The S&L crisis, the Housing crisis and the Covid crisis that all led to massive bailouts and stimulus spending.I mean you’re the bonehead who voted for Trump and still supports him.
I don’t support either of the Bushes. In terms of the budget, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden are all the same. Trump better fits my view on life and policy position
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The last surplus was delivered by Clinton and a Democrat majority Congress when they passed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 over unanimous Republican opposition.The biggest deficits have all happened under Republican Presidents. Reagan, George W and Trump.Reagan tripled the National Debt.Bush doubled itTrump blew it up the most - 8 trillion in just 4 years.
I would support any Democrat that pushes for a balanced budget lol.
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@YouFound_Lxam
He’s the weirdest guy ik. To the left of AOC and Bernie on something’s and to the right of Donald Trump on this lmaooo
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@Greyparrot
Wait, a Democrat supporting a balanced budget? Whatttt?
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@Best.Korea
So there are no shootings in the USA? You have 0 murders per year?
What? If you murder someone, odds are you get arrested and charged. Far higher odds than North Korea for sure
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@Best.Korea
So no one can come over and shoot you or beat you up?
Not without consequences? If an FBI agent came and shot me, there’d be national uproar with the use of social media, etc.
That would not be possible in North Korea.
Probably not, since US has 10x more population.
Even without the 10x population. American Air Force would destroy the North Koreans before they even knew what hit em
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@Best.Korea
No, of course not. I dont agree. Why would I agree with that? Thats so horrible. Why isnt the world a beautiful perfect fairy tale? Why do those with power always win?If those with power wanted, they would come over and beat the shit out of you and your moral system.So your moral system depends on mercy of the powerful not to beat you up.
In North Korea, maybe. In the US nope
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@Best.Korea
Do you actually think that without nukes the North Korean military 1v1 would beat the US military?
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@Greyparrot
I heard white Mexicans can't celebrate day of the dead in America. What a backwards country.
Systematic racism fr
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@Best.Korea
Again you dodged the question. Do you agree that just because you have power, you should be able to commit atrocities
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Wow I didn’t know black people and Hispanics don’t exist in Norway. Fun fact white people exist in Haiti and El Salvador.
Maybe recognize the difference between nationality and race first?
Trump didn’t end legal immigration as you claimed he did. Try again.
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@Best.Korea
If you have power, you can do whatever you want. This is observable. When did you see the weak ones defeating the powerful ones?If you think that those with all power cant do whatever they want, then go and read the definition of power.
And that’s clearly okay with you. So you’re fine with any of the horrible acts dictators have done throughout the years.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Republicans don’t want legal immigration either. Unless it’s for white people.
Please find me a quote where Donald Trump says he doesn’t want legal immigration from races other than Caucasian. I’ll wait.
You wish.If Biden were a white supremacist then he would have the support of the racists the way Trump does.
Oh but he did. They’re just all dead now
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Best.Korea is the type to guy to support slavery because if you can get power, you should be able to do whatever you want
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@YouFound_Lxam
Their argument is so far fetched. They’re literally arguing you can’t punish your child. No objective person would think kids should be allowed to chop off their arms if they choose without parental consent.
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@Sidewalker
You do realize that without white supremacists, Trump wouldn’t have a movement, right?
Biden is a white supremacist lol
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@IwantRooseveltagain
We also wouldn’t have food without immigrant labor
Legal immigration, not illegal immigration
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@Sidewalker
You guys are just saying stupid shit to help the OP make the point, right?
You do realize that without middle America you wouldn’t have food on your table right?
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@Athias
Because applying coercion or violence both violates and harms the child, the very prospect which their "parenting" alleges it's preventing.
So you are a pacifist? You’re clearly someone who does not believe in punishment
Yes
Scientifically not really.
If it was gifted to the child, then its theft.
So if I buy a PS5 for my kid and then take it away, it’s theft? Lmfaoooo. What if I threaten to kick my child out of the house? More coercion? So what punishment would be fine. None according to you. Essentially, you believe kids shouldn’t be disciplined
No, it isn't. If you have a contention, state it clearly, and provide your reasoning.
It’s very clearly: children should not allowed to make life altering decisions like chopping off their genitalia or their arm
"Scientifically" gauging the consequences of one's decision is by no means a benchmark for one's capacity to act in accordance to one's own interests as it concerns one's own body
False. Making a life altering decision like chopping your arm off as a 9 year old is wrong and goes against the concept of not just humanity, but life and nature itself from a moral standpoint. A 9 year old cannot make the best decision for themselves.
If a child is not susceptible to a parents punishment, the parent becomes the slave, no?
--the only interests which matter when exercising discretion over one's possessions and belongings. I ask you again, "to whom does said kid's arm belong?
That’s a red herring. Of course the kid operates his own arm. You wouldn’t have killed Osama bin Laden with your philosophy. Hell your philosophy wouldn’t allow handcuffs because it causes “harm”
Who has more priority over how its treated than the one to whom it belongs?"
Your perspective neglects every other, theory. Freedom theory does not overwhelm utilitarianism or virtue ethics in this scenario. To say it does means you’re lying to yourself.
There's only one answer to these questions, ILikePie5. And if you're not conceding that the kid's arm belongs to said kid, then you're are tacitly suggesting that the kid's body belongs to his parents or the State.
False. I am stating that it’s in the kids own self interest objectively not to chop off their harm. The fact that you disagree with this objective premise shows how far you are willing to go to defend your inherently flawed moral view on this subject.
And if that's the case, you are applying the same flawed reasoning as YouFound_Lxam. Because if the parents' or State's interests over an individual's body matter more or take priority, then you have no choice but to accept the logical extension of your premise which would even be maintained under circumstances where the State coerces these children or parents coerce their children into physical transitions.
Your freedom theory viewpoint holds no weight here in an objective realm. Objectively it’s wrong for a parent to let his or her child chop their arm off.
Your reasoning, ILikePie5, is not sound. Your reasoning is tantamount to, "coercion is fine, so long as it's being applied in service to my interests."
And that’s where you’re wrong. It’s not in my best interest. It’s in the best interest of the child objectively to not chop off their arm lol.
What happens when it's not? Why do your interests matter at all as it concerns someone else's property--in this case, one's own body?
They’re not my interests. As a parent I would never let my child chop off their genitalia or their arm period until they’re 18.
The fact that you would be fine with this scares me. There’s no scenario here where we’d agree, so I am just going to end it here. Have a nice day
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@Athias
To whom does said kid's arm belong? Who has more priority over how it’s treated than the one to whom it belongs? And you don't just have to "let" kids cut their arms off; as I stated, parents can exhaust every measure possible to persuade their kids as long as it does not involve coercion or violence.
Why should a parent stop at coercion or violence? Is spanking really that bad? Is taking away toys videogames not a use of coercion. Your premise is inherently flawed.
The hill on which I'm willing to die, ILikePie5, is that no one dictates how I--or anyone else--behave my body other than I, whether I'm nine years-old, or ninety. If you have a contention, state it clearly, and provide your reasoning.
It’s pretty clear. A 9-year old should not be able to make a life altering decision such as chopping their arm off or getting their genitalia cut off when they are scientifically unable to gauge the consequences of their decisions.
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@Athias
Then the parent(s) can do everything within their capacity to persuade the child so long as it does not involve coercion or violence.
So we should let kids cut off their arm if they want? Is this the hill you really want to die on?
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@Greyparrot
We gotta beat the Dems at their own game. If they want ballot harvesting, the GOP should ballot harvesting the living hell out of GOP voters. Bleed them dry
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@Greyparrot
And just like that we’re best friends with the Saudis again
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@Greyparrot
I saw this on Twitter and it sums it up perfectly:
McCarthy
McConnell
McDaniels
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McFailure
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@Greyparrot
What do you think about Ted Cruz's opinion of McConnel?
I fully support him. McConnell’s decision to spend in Alaska over Arizona is inexcusable, and it shows poor judgement.
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@Double_R
The team she plays for are the people of Wyoming, not the MAGA cult. That’s how politics is supposed to work.
Lol the people of Wyoming don’t even support her. That’s why she got the margins a Democrat gets in Wyoming and lost her own primary. If she were listening to the people of Wyoming like she’s supposed to, she wouldn’t have sat on the J6 Committee and vilified a major party figure.
And I said well over 90%, it’s actually 93%. The point here is that it’s silly to claim Cheney and Trump are so different on policy given the actual record, which refutes your whole point there.
What? I’m saying the establishment GOP voters votes based on emotion over policy. Trump GOP votes policy over emotion. Trump voters will support the establishment even if they don’t like them and think they’re snakes. Establishment voters don’t do that with Trump. They’d rather have a Democrat in office because of the mean tweets
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Honestly, the way I see it, the nation is just going to keep going down the wrong track for one reason:
My generation.
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@Double_R
And yet she voted with Trump well over 90% of the time and even more so than most republicans in congress. I thought you were against arguments based on emotion?
It’s the 10% that truly matters. Where’s the team player mentality?
I also noticed you ignored the rest of my post, but that’s fine, I wasn’t expecting much else.
I purposefully ignored it. As I’ve told you before, we won’t be seeing eye to eye on a vast majority of things, and so I didn’t want to waste your time, nor my time
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@SirAnonymous
Well, I'm not part of everyone. Once you get past a certain size, no election is perfect. However, imperfect does not mean unfair or illegitimate or rigged.
I heavily disagree. If a rule is changed just so one side benefits, that’s inherently unfair.
The claim in the first sentence does not support the claim in the following sentences. You can say, "There were bad laws." Probably. There probably have been bad laws in most or all elections. You can say, "The bad laws favored one side over another." Maybe so. Again, probably not uncommon. But unless you can say, "There were bad laws, and here is the evidence showing that they had enough impact to flip the election," you can't conclude that it was rigged. And that is a case that I haven't seen anyone even attempt to make.
Just because you don’t hear about it, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. How would you analyze the impact of the rule change? You really can’t because you can’t compare it to the baseline. It’s basic method. Everyone knew about this.
But more pertinently, claiming that there were bad laws does absolutely nothing to justify Trump's behavior. He hasn't been limiting himself to rational, defensible claims. He and his lawyers have been spouting off one insane conspiracy theory after another.
Rigged = Stolen in the minds of any objective third party. No one disputes the fact that state executives changed the law without an explicit change passed by the state legislatures. If you have Democratic executives in places like WI and PA changing the law singlehandedly, without any consultation or law change of the state legislatures, how unfair and contradictory to the concept of separation of powers is that?
I never said Trump is the best speaker. He’s notorious for his hyperbolic speech. But his premise is correct. Judges have ruled that methods were unconstitutional. Methods that inherently favored Democrats over Republicans.
You can ask for evidence all day. You can ask for hard numbers all day, but there is no way objective analysis can be done with these rule changes and the other million variable changes cause by the COVID-19 pandemic. It’s literally impossible from a research method standpoint.
He also didn't limit himself to legal means to challenge the results. He tried to pressure the vice president to illegally overturn the election.
Theirs is no statute that doesn’t allow the VP power. Congress passed a bill because it was unclear lmao.
That behavior is indefensible and unacceptable. And if that continues and becomes more mainstream, it will eventually destroy our constitutional system.
And Democratic operatives violating the founding concept of separation of powers is just left to be and not talked about. Really sad.
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@SirAnonymous
As a Christian, I believe it is my duty to love everyone, although I confess that politicians make that difficult. More to the point, I think Trump is worse than McConnell. I have a lot of disagreements with McConnell, but I agree with him more than I agree with Trump. I also have more respect for McConnell. Not because of his personality (I have no idea what his personality is like), or because of his integrity (I doubt he has any), but because of how good he is at his job. I've read a lot of history about the US government. I think McConnell will be remembered as one of the most effective Congressional leaders.
Your opinion. But I think it just reflects what you believe in, and I doubt I could convince you with the contrary
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@SirAnonymous
Something did happen. A sitting president refused to accept the results of a legitimate election. Millions believed him. Some resorted to violence. Trump attempted to overturn an election. Yes, the Democrat's policies are bad for America. So are election denialism and attempted coups. A democracy relies on the willingness of both sides to acknowledge defeat. Without that, it will collapse.
See the problem here is that everyone argues that the election was perfect. It had numerous flaws. Hell State Supreme courts across the nation have found Democratic rule changes that benefited not them unconstitutional. The system was rigged against Trump. It’s like finding out the lottery is rigged to give one guy all the money
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@Double_R
We are on opposite ends when it comes to policy, so that’s not really relevant here. If I were offerred Liz Cheney right now, who has voted with Trump something like 95% of the time and believes nearly all of the same things politically vs taking a chance on Biden vs Trump with 2:1 odds favoring Biden, I would take Cheney right now.
No offense, but this is honestly why the opinion of a Democrat on this matter is pretty laughable. Liz Cheney is the epitome of the pro-war, Bush Republican model that Mitch and Ryan follow to this day. They don’t have the interest of voters. Hell they don’t even act like they have the best interest of the voters.
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@SirAnonymous
He may be the most hated person in the Senate, but he is also the smartest. He's been running rings around Schumer and (previously) Reid. He's excellent at obstructing the Democratic agenda, and he was instrumental in implementing the Republican agenda during Trump's term. There are a lot of valid criticisms that can be leveled at him, but ineffective is not one of them. Also, his opponent was Rick Scott, who was in charge of making sure the Republicans took the Senate. We all know how that went.
Do you hate Mitch McConnell more or Donald Trump? I’m curious
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@SirAnonymous
That's a good question, and it deserves an answer, so I'll do my best. I can't speak for all the various NeverTrump factions - establishment Republicans, conservative independents, and various others who don't fit neatly into a category. But in my opinion, Trump is not any better than the Democrats. The main argument for voting for Trump over a Democrat is that Trump is the lesser evil. I don't think he is the lesser evil. I think he is just as bad as the Democrats, albeit in a different way. My refusal to vote for Trump isn't a case of letting the Democrats ruin the country; it's that I think Trump would also ruin the country.
How so? From a policy standpoint, Trump is a million times better from any Democrat. I think your argument revolves around an emotional argument and personality differences, which is fine. But at the end of the day, does the media and Democrats’ opinion about you matter?
Think of it this way. Democrats and the media are going to vilify every Republican that stands up. The emotional argument doesn’t really stand up to the test.
When the choice is between "Ruin the country with Trump" and "Ruin the country with the Democrats", I have no preference because they are equally bad, so I won't vote for either of them.Of course, you are free to say that Trump is better than the Democrats, and the Democrats are free to say that they are better than Trump. It's a free country, and you can think what you like. But I don't think either of them is the lesser evil.
How will Trump ruin the country? Everyone said that in 2016. Nothing happened.
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@SirAnonymous
Like nominate him again so they can lose in a landslide?Or nominate DeSantis, only to have Trump run as a third party, causing Republicans to lose in a landslide?I really hope there's door number 3, but I kind of doubt it.
See, this is the problem. Establishment Republicans would rather vote a Democrat into office and let the nation go to shit rather than voting for Trump. If that’s the game y’all wanna play, that’s the game you will get.
Trump Republicans are smart enough to vote establishment over Dems for the county, but it doesn’t work the other way around. Why?
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@Double_R
Great, glad to hear that we’re on the same page here.
I think there’s work to be done on both sides of the aisle in this matter. CA, OR, and WA come to mind on the Dem side with AZ on the GOP side
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@Double_R
Why? For your personal convenience because you’re too impatient to wait for the results?
Lol
But since you feel that way, I look forward to your advocacy in the future with regards to states whose republicans legislators refuse to allow any mail in ballots received before Election Day be processed and instead sit on them which is why it takes so long to count them.
Oh I fully support them counting beforehand; that’s exactly what Florida does. As long as we limit arrival to Election Day.
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@Mharman
They’re just superior to other calculators lol
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@Mharman
Out of curiosity, how many of you, when working for your jobs or doing assignments in school, use a physical calculator? And how many use Google or a website? Which do you consider better and why?
I use my TI-84 all the time. It’s easier to graph things to solve equations and also to save numbers
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@IwantRooseveltagain
They don’t trust the election process because Trump the idiot lost his election and then lied about it being rigged and morons like you believed him.
99% of the votes should be counted by Election Night. Period.
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@Public-Choice
Welcome to the Democratic America backed by Establishment Republicans around the nation. Anything for political power. No wonder Americans don’t trust the election process
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@oromagi
Conservatives left the Republican Party because Trump is the moron with policies that are anti-thetical to everything they believe in.
Trump is a million times more conservative than Joe Biden lmfao
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@PREZ-HILTON
It’s how “conservatives” would rather vote for a moron with policies that are anti-thetical to everything they believe in because they hate Trump
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