ILikePie5

what are your thoughts on a that2/supa team?

Are you daft? Bush did 9/11 isn't an Islamic conspiracy. 

I would vanillaize earth or supa if I had to pick

This is now that I know RM's claim...

Grey has a tendency to be lazy as town for awhile. He simply has not had the same care of mafia as he once did, therefore I do not believe his buddying of RM is an indication of his scum/town, but jut lack of effort that can't be read. If I had to choose, it'd be a town read though

Now RM is a different story. RM has been consistently tunnel vision throughout this process. We know RM has an ego but that's not a part of mafia reads. 

1) Vanillizer. In a 7 person game there is a vanillizer. That is essentially a SOP role in a 7 person game.

That has no use in a game like this besides negative town effect. There is 2/7 you hit scum with 1/7 chance they are a scum PR and there is at least 5/7 chance they are town (assuming we have 2 vanillas), 3/7 role.

Unless there is an issue with the game's balance, this role is inherently scummy. Then you may ask, but it's so oblique, it has to be town? I would argue this. RM puts a lot of effort into his games he plays and I believe he would 100% take the time to go and hunting for obscure roles to make his case look better so it could "town confirm him"

2) Gameplay. When I have played with RM. He has almost never been so gunho about every PR claiming in this game at all. Why now of all times is he deciding to do it claiming how it worked last time?

Not to mention, he has been very defensive as a whole to his style and adamantly talking back to others. 

Scum benefit from merciful day phases, people have this idea of revealing and pressure backwards. Town cannot put anything together in a themed closed setup without pressure and reveals.

vtl ilikepie5

claim now

Out immediately everyone, your theme thing

Out immediately everyone, your theme thing

If I am lynched which is acceptable and why I outed, I want you next. 100% no backing out.

Or I want Earth lynched as his theme thing diesnt fit at all, he is anti republican. Two towers died, he could be a strongman ir some shit. Idk how many PRs there are since most ignored me.

Everybody claim your themed conspiracy theory OR vote pie.

Or

Vote supadudz

I do fully believe there is at least 1 vanilla in the game to make my power totally wasted in a bad way where I am neither confirmed, wasted my 1x and cannot justify to anyone what happened and end up 1v1ing a genuine vanilla. That seems a sensible way to counterbalance my power. Vanillas get sent nothing if I try to vanillaise them.

Okay, I have actually thought this through, I have to out here and now. 

I have a terrible role for Town if I misfire. My role is normally scumsided and you wont believe me when I tell you.

I am a townsided vanillaizer (or iser if you prefer that). 1x shot, I turn a town PR to vanilla or mafia PR to Goon.

The Goon most likely would have been sent become a goon and nit become a vanilla, making a dirty mechanics play viable. I know as I checked with Mharman and he told me what a Town PR would be sent. (I DID NOT QUOTE VERBATIM) no rule is broken by me.

I kept quiet hoping a slip was viable but the way things are heading, today is me vs Pie and my claim will get me in deep deep shit at the 1v1 hammer moment.

I am the Michael Obama conspiracy that Michelle is trans and thus I transition people to vanilla.

• Pie, self preserving finger pointer that plays nice to RM. "Why do you thinl that RM, where is your proof but buddy I am not against you, you are not my scumread." Scum vibes
  

Anyway instead of claiming right or left wing because Pie will get pissy at my answer anyway

Admittedly I never heard of his conspiracy, but it sounds like Israel using animals to track or spy on nations so something like Spy fits, although it's probably not true and was a stream of consciousness thought.

That is your issue, not mine.

Look at that2's endgame invulnerability and midgame efficiency.

I know. You do not. That tellse youay have compensates for that2, underestimating the skill of your partner.

End of discussion.

That2 is the best player in this game besides me. I am saying that sincerely.

I have never ever seen Pie as Town push on an easy victim just to survive the day. He would be fighting me much more as Town.

I could believe that had pie said "for claim" in his vtl post.

You gave a reason in your vote post.

You are known to me. Major threat, very able to towntell as both alignments and decently capable at late game reads if town.

I would fear you as both alignments, intensely. IDk if I was ever Scum vs you though.

I will insist that you and whiteflame out if PR or not before we vote Earth. I want Earth to say PR or not, not to fullclaim.

I get town vibes from Earth's tiny contribution.

Meant that to go to you. I’m looking through past games to see if I’m misreading him. One post isn’t a lot to go off of, but I think there could be something there.

He only has like 1 post not much I can say

Do you want vanillas to claim?

It sounds like genuine scumhunting to me.

The eagle, falcon etc is part of that conspiracy theory.

Earth spent the effort to research the conspiracy theory, for him that counts as high effort.

Earth is always odd. 

it is good he didn't do that this game, I also understand why he outed what he is if he is confused hwo to claim the alignment of that role.

I will not vote GP this day phase no matter what. He is definitely town-leaning for this play. It is scummy to reveal your role, it ruins the plan's medium approach.

Everything in your reaction is about getting me and others to take attention away from you. Nothing in your response is concerned with scumhunting. Just because you ask the question that I said in my plan to ask doesn't matter.

Neither of us is townier than the other or scummier when it comes to the plan's execution of political alignment reveals, since we agree on that part of it.

why would he fullclaim? I asked not to, that is a strange reason to scumread grey parrot.

If I am being voted, please listen to me other PRs, this setup is designed around limited-abilities. The Town is being nerfed to have limited goes at what they can do with their powers, this means the mafia is extremely powerful, we are looking at 2 double-powered mafioso, no exaggeration.

I am basing this on a combination of things, one of which is my own role. I am a PR, I won't say how abnormal or normal but my role does not make entire sense to have in a setup where mafia themselves has anything close to a goon on their team, they are OP, trust me.

At the bare minimum, Mafia has a roleblocker. I guarantee it.

I am done playing passive, it is time to cut to the chase, let's crack open this and reveal are we PR or not before deciding how to proceed.

it's about the nature of it and the way he altered tone:

aggressive for no reason when challenging me, suddenly likes my idea partly and tries to persuade me...

Doesn't add up.

He is not like that as Town, I have seen it before. As Town, Pie would be furious with me now and arguing.

Your own logic is picking the easiest target you can think of and leaping at it; this is usually your scum meta but you are that weak that you do that as Town at times and that's the brutal truth.

If you genuinely believe that it is a scumtell by me to go for Pie here because you conclude that I literally am OMGUSing, that sounds like you're trying to emotionally scare me away from OMGUSing you as well or at the very least like you're grappling for a reason.

I am not afraid to be the eliminated Townie day 1. I never have been and I never will be, I am ready for it if it comes down to it. I will encourage all to have their own conspiracy theories about you.

I am not negotiating anymore, if you want to vote me off, then do it. Town will suffer for the lost PR but they will have reads from my flip.

What is our personal conflict?

I don't know what you are even referring to.

This has nothing to do with the presidency and that is a very scummy and weird thing to even say.

Everything you have said screams scum, you are not even scumhunting, you are just trying to towntell.

So far:

Earth is probably Town because he bothered to out reads day 1 and is actively engaging.

Whiteflame is slight Town lean just off of vibes and how he acts when Town replying to what I reply rather than selectively engaging.

GP is either hard town or hard scum playing hard town because what he said about his role and the fact of all conspiracy theories he claimed that one makes me kind of wonder.

Unless this is Western-started conspiracies vs Eastern, GP is pretty much in the clear for now to me but he could be hard scum either armed with a fakeclaim or claiming the real thing.

It is a direct lie that you, Pie, always hard-play day 1 early on. You tend to go much harsher either as DP's end or when information is revealed that makes you hard-read something.