ILikePie5

although I can see Grey being something like mafia Watcher or whatever.

Can you go more into detail what you meant by right/left wing conspiracy? I feel like Grey and RM are playing their Town meta, although I can see Grey being something like mafia Watcher or whatever.

Individually yes, as a group for later CCs being set in stone, no.

referring to wings. It slipped your mind because you are forcing your behaviour.

that was never ever part of the plan, you liar.

not instantly like this, ever. You are preparing hard to look townie for later and that is the pure solid gutread I have.

I don't even like this reaction, you tried to convince me here but the pie as town argues and bites, he doesn't try to persuade much.

Pie is compensating hqrd, meaning his partner is supa, earth or grey.

He would be acting less hyper in post amount and tryhard so soon if town, even being angry at me instead of loling about it all.

He is compensating harder than if whiteflame or that2 is his partner. They are known to have atr9nger endgames/mindgames.

That is my read as is. I also liked that whiteflame replied to me each time. He likes to pqrtially ignore me as scum and tactically to reply to what ia convenient. He also likes to build an 'RM is crazy' narrative rather than 'RM is stupid'narrative as scum, as town he goes more for the latter if either.

These are the facts, now sheep and win, or out if PR or not for my plan to fully work.

vtl ilikepie5

Yes, I would say that just straight claiming a PR is low utility to town. It won’t necessarily tell us that the game is role madness (that assumes no fake vanilla claims even if it’s true), though you’re not really suggesting what we’d do with that information if we got it. CCs can only happen based on claimed roles, not generally claiming PRs.

As for being “the leader”, I don’t know where you got that impression, but you’re not. I’m not looking to take that nonexistent position. And if you end up wanting to push on me just because I don’t kowtow to your desire that I softclaim this DP, so be it. 

Useless?

The use of a PR is 35% its actual utility, unless investigative where it is 50%.

The real use of a PR is being a PR, it matters so much for later CCs that mafia were blackmailed to softclaim earlier or failed to etc.

There may not be vanillas in this setup, I need to make sure of it to know how we should proceed! I am the leader or if you wish to lead offer a better path and do not say 'hide everything'.

Drop a softclaim today or I promise you I will push on you later. I will softclaim today too, it will be very subtle.

You have no idea what my role or situation is.

I hardcarried Town last game vs you  your roles carried you. I am truest to my username in a mafia game even more than in debating. There is always a plan, it adapts, it shifts but there is a system and you are ruining it.

You are always so scummy on your day ones so I will not even bother to read you or reply to that scummy post.

I will just have to work around you, as I always do. If I even grill you, it doesn't help anything as you are just against the grilling as a concept.

I always insist on either everyone outs or noone does, to the same degree.

That is always my meta, whether town or scum and is to do with how I see the fairness of the game and the best path to victory for town is equally open information for all Townies to work with from each other.

According to me, for this size of game and the way things will play out:

Everyone should out if PR or not and say if they are a left-wing or right-wing theory just to begin with. After that we can get things going and get reads.

I insist on this strat:

PRs outing as PR this DP but not claiming which PR they are.

I don't have much of a clue at all what the theme-split is for now unless it's left wing vs right wing conspiracies.

I will claim that I am a right-wing conspiracy and leave it at that.

I am a PR.

I'm teaching highschool this year so I won't have as much time.

So I have a few questions lol

How does this work? Like, do we play the entire game in this forum thread? Do I have to download an app? Is it in Discord?

I have played Mafia in person but how long do we have for discussions?

Will this be weeks long or done in a few hours?

When does it start?

I didn’t ask for made up numbers with assumed premises.

You claimed the democrats chose Joe Manchin over Beto. You then backed up that statement by claiming that if they used their resources towards Beto instead of Joe then they would have ended up with Beto instead. In doing so you failed to explain:

A) How much money are we actually talking about, given that campaigns have their own money raised by their own donors. You act as if the DNC can just come in and take Manchin’s funds and hand them over to Beto. It doesn’t work that way.

B) What evidence you have that Texas voters would have either came out to vote for Beto instead of staying home because of this

C) How this little Monday morning quarterback exercise, even if you could substantiate every piece of it, logically supports your original claim. 

All three of these is needed for your claim to have any merit worthy of debating. You have none.

I'll only sign up if either RM or Badger plays.

I certainly understand, you made an argument because it felt right to you, and then when asked to back it up with actual facts you can’t.

Still waiting on that analysis.

He also questions deficits. Clearly a tea party insurrectionist.

That sounds like a threat to Democracy. Better call Merrick.

Lol, wtf is up with all these teaparty Democrats? guess its the seasonal November fever :D

How is PPP not a bailout? It’s giving businesses money to keep from going bankrupt. That accounted for about 2 trillion of the 5 trillion spent for Covid relief bills in 2020. Trump also did tax breaks for businesses even if they laid off workers. Half a trillion went to the Federal Reserve to lend to corporations at near zero interest rates. The 600 billion went to the unemployed. 250 billion went to aid state and local governments to pay their employees.

“Stimulus bills approved by Congress beginning in 2020 unleashed the largest flood of federal money into the United States economy in recorded history. Roughly $5 trillion went to households, mom-and-pop shops, restaurants, airlines, hospitals, local governments, schools and other institutions around the country grappling with the blow inflicted by Covid-19”

Isn’t that convenient? You rail against tax and spend Democrats but Trump blew up the deficit more than any other President.

The reality is the Republicans are the most irresponsible when it comes to the budget. Yet some how Republicans only complain about Democrats on the issue of the budget.

This is such a stupid statement. 80% of Americans got a tax cut? And how much did that amount to in total dollars for the working class? So ordinary Americans each get $100, amounting to a fraction of what the wealthy got.

The budget deficits during the Trump years did not swell to 2 trillion a year because of non-discretionary spending you dipshit. It swelled due to the tax cuts, which in terms of dollars went mainly to millionaires and billionaires.

Would you rather get the 10% tax cut of a guy making 50K or a a 5% tax cut of a guy making millions.  Trump had a trillion dollar deficit BEFORE anyone even heard the word COVID.

“As draft language of the bill made its way through Congress, lawmakers friendly to billionaires and their lobbyists were able to nip and tuck and stretch the bill to accommodate a variety of special groups. The flurry of midnight deals and last-minute insertions of language resulted in a vast redistribution of wealth into the pockets of a select set of families, siphoning away billions in tax revenue from the nation’s coffers. This story is based on lobbying and campaign finance disclosures, Treasury Department emails and calendars obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, and confidential tax records”

https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-irs-files-reveal-how-much-the-ultrawealthy-gained-by-shaping-trumps-big-beautiful-tax-cut

And if giving people money causes inflation, and Trump gave everyone all this money as you claim, then Trump is responsible for the inflation that followed.

Reagan - Deregulation leads to the S&L crisis. Largest bailout to date at the time. A recession that resulted in over 10% unemployment. Record deficits, he triples the National Debt by cutting taxes for the rich. 

HW Bush -  A big recession and NAFTA is created which cost millions of American jobs in the coming years.

GW Bush - Deregulation and a lack of new regulation leads to the Great Bush recession and the largest bailout in history. We get over 10% unemployment again. He doubles the National debt from 5.5 to 11 trillion.

Trump - A trillion dollar deficit due to tax cuts for the rich is followed by a poor response to Covid and 16% unemployment.

Another massive bailout (that’s 3 out of 4 for these Republicans) leads to a 2 trillion dollar deficit.

A record 8 trillion will be added to the debt in just 4 years.

If those morons win it will be because they cheated. Republicans can only win if they cheat. If they win the people will have to storm the Arizona state house.

So how does it feel to know the Dems blew their last 2 years in power to fix anything?