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@Public-Choice
Well, in my OP I was simply suggesting a rewrite. When I offered to do it, I figured the moderation team or site creator(s) was going to tell me what should be in it.So my offer as it stands currently is to write the new policy that the moderation team constructs in a straightforward yet brief way so that any average person with a 5th grade reading level could understand and apply it.
You’re more than welcome to write up a policy to have it put for a vote via MEEP. Let me know if you want me to look at it from an outside perspective considering I vote, but not as often
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@Greyparrot
I wanna see a Harikrish vs Roosevelt argument. That would be so fun
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@Double_R
It's basically what I'm getting, and it's complete nonsense. Manchin is extremely valuable to the democrats, he's a democrat holding a Senate seat in one of the reddest states in the nation. No other democrat in WV would have a chance at that seat, so without him Mitch McConnell would've been the Senate majority leader for the last two years. To claim democrats should not be fighting to support him is absurd.
You have got to be kidding me. The point is that you knew what you weee signing up for. You can’t cry wolf when you knew you could end up relying upon a Democratic in one of the most red states. Beto would’ve easily been that 50th vote. Imagine if all the volunteers and money were taken out from WV and invested in a far greater ground game in Collin, Denton, Williamson, and Fort Bend. Beto has a greater chance of holding Texas in 2024 than Manchin has in 2024.
Yes, and it's a stupid point. The democrats are playing the hand they are dealt, that's the opposite of incompetence. It's also remarkable how every criticism he's throwing at Biden and the democrats can be thrown at Trump and the republicans just the same if not worse. Not the anyone on the right cares about hypocrisy anymore.
They’re not dealt the hand. They chose that hand is my point.
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@Double_R
Every campaign would do better with more resources. So what? How does this prove your point?
If there’s finite resources, allocation is what matters. So reallocating resources is what Dems should’ve focused on, rather than propping someone up who would’ve lost the following cycle anyways.
So the democrats are incompetent because many of them wanted to accomplish something with even less of a majority that the republicans wouldn't even try?
GOP didn’t try out of principle for the most part. It’s the Dems who’ve flip flopped around. It’s easier to persuade one vote than like 35 to vote to end the filibuster lol
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@Public-Choice
I am glad it is clear to you.I just happened to see a LOT of votes removed lately and figured the voting policy isn't clear enough.Maybe it is and the last couple weeks have been an anomaly. But I'm not sure.
I am unaware of your situation, but if you’d like me to vote in the future, DM me as soon as you finish the debate and keep reminding me. I’ll get to it eventually. It’ll be easier if the debate isn’t long
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@Double_R
I never said it was, the absurdity is claiming that putting resources towards both races equates to "choosing" Joe Manchin over Beto.
Sure, but you cannot deny that if Beto had more volunteers from the DSCC or even more money, Beto could’ve done far better. Manchin was an incumbent.
And the fact that the great negotiator Donald Trump couldn't convince John McCain to go along with healthcare shows how bad Trump and the republican party is.
I mean, I was surprised negotiation would even be needed considering McCain had been running on repealing and replacing Obamacare for years, but sure. Trump’s personality likely made it worse.
So what? You're arguing that the democrats are incompetent because they cannot gain unanimous support from every member of their party. The republicans couldn't either, so according to your logic Trump and the republicans are just as incompetent. So what is your point?
The difference is that one side wants to claim the power to pass bills only with 50 votes + the VP. The other side refused to do it. With great power comes great responsibility
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@Public-Choice
I’ve been under the impression that voting was always clear, even though I vote rarely. My vote has never been removed
You have to explain 4 things
Arguments
Spelling/Grammar
Sources
Conduct
In each you have to refer to both sides and justify why you’re giving the points.
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@Greyparrot
Dems not controlling their own party members to abolish the filibuster and blaming the GOP for not helping them do anything is prime cope
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@Double_R
Your original contention here is that democrats are somehow choosing between Beto and Joe Manchin, two individuals running for different offices in different states to be a part of different governments. You can expand your claim to be about more than money, that doesn't change the absurdity of it.
It’s not absurd to suggest a triage of WV Senate so resources can be diverted to TX Senate. Even you have to admit Beto would be better for Dems than Manchin ever was
Your original contention here is that Joe Manchin gets his marching orders from Dick Durbin and Chuck Schumer, another absurd and objectively false claim.
He has since 2010. What changed? Joe Biden. So who’s fault is that?
So if he suddenly decided to caucus with republicans and switch the Senate to republican control, can I then claim the republican party is incompetent every time Joe Manchin decides not to vote for anything they bring to the floor? Serious question, since this is how you seem to think it works.
You clearly do not understand my argument lol
Now this is just plain stupid.I never claimed Joe Biden was Professor X. He doesn't control people. He's not a God, nor have I ever claimed him to be anything close to one. Notice how I do not have his face as my avatar? Cult worship is a right wing thing.
But that’s what he ran on. He was the President of the Senate for 8 years. He was in the Senate for even longer. But the fact that even middle class Joe can’t convince Joe Manchin shows how bad Joe Biden and the Democratic Party is.
Second, the absurdity of republicans refusing to work with Biden on anything and then blaming him for failing to bring republicans to the table never ceases to amaze me. I really just wonder if republican voters are this stupid to think this criticism makes sense.
Where were you from 2016-2018. Dems didn’t work with GOP on anything. We called y’all out, and then moved on. We didn’t make a concerted effort to get rid of the filibuster to avoid working with Dems. We still tried to, even if y’all didn’t.
Third, if you actually believed that the greatness of the person in the oval office can magically make congress work together to achieve whatever the president wants, tell me about how that wall is going...
I mean it’s one member of Congress out of 535. I think that’s very possible if you have a competent person in the White House. Hell if Schumer and the DSCC were competent in 2018 you could’ve had Senator O’Rourke
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@Public-Choice
So, like, when you vote for political candidates do you bother to read anything past the letter in parentheses? Or is it, like, nah?
The letter comes after their name I think
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@Double_R
The republicans under Trump had the WH, Senate, and House and still couldn't get rid of the filibuster. So according to your logic they're just as incompetent.
There was no serious effort to get rid of the filibuster lol. McConnell was against removing it since Day 1. Democrats have been trying to get rid of it since Biden was elected.
In fact that had larger majorities than the democrats do now, so that makes them more incompetent.
Lol assuming they actually wanted to get rid of it. Stop strawmanning and accept your party cannot effectively whip votes. Dick Durbin is clearly incompetent. And so is Joe
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@Double_R
Campaign funds to not determine who wins. Just ask Jeb Bush.And even if they did, your claim is still nonsense. Each candidate has their own campaigns with their own donors. No one just decides how much each campaign gets to spend.This is not a serious argument.
I’m not just referring to money lol.
Again, you're not stupid enough to believe this. Manchin has been a thorn in the democrats side for years and especially under Biden.
For years? Really? You’re out of your mind to believe that. He was a reliable vote for Harry Reid and then Chuck Schumer up until Joe Biden became President. What’s the thing that’s changed? Joe Biden.
He's made it clear that he couldn't care less what they want. He takes his matching orders from the people who voted for him. Anytime who's paid any attention to politics knows this.
He’s still a Democrat. He runs with a D next to his name. He caucuses with radicals like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
I thought Joe Biden was supposed to be the great negotiator, who would get Republicans to vote for his proposals. Man can’t even control people in his own party lol. So much for working class Joe
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I’m gonna be honest, I didn’t support 3RU7AL cause of his username. It takes so long to type, I’m like nah
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@IwantRooseveltagain
JC dummy. The filibuster requires 60 votes. Changing the filibuster is dangerous because eventually the Republicans will be in charge and they are nuts.
Yet your party…supports ending the filibuster lol. They can’t hide behind the filibuster if they have the power to end it, but are incompetent
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@Double_R
You aren't dumb enough or ignorant enough to believe the nonsense you just typed, so I'll chalk this up to another round of you arguing in bad faith to not let the other side "win", as you have proclaimed yourself to do.
Lol
To state the obvious; Democrats don't get to choose between Beto and Joe Manchin.
They actually do. If more resources were diverted from Manchin to Beto, you would have a far reliable vote. It’s obvious to me that you’d want Beto over Manchin, just as an example.
They represent different states. Manchin is a democrat from one of the redest states in the country.
Yet he’s still a Democrat and caucuses with Democrats. He still gets marching orders from Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin.
Sinoma is from a redish/purple state democrats would have a very tough time winning of they went with anyone else. To pretend that these two individuals represent the Democratic party is just plain stupid and you know that.
Democrats willingly accept them into their ranks. They put millions into their races, not the republicans. They knew full well where Manchin was from.
You however cannot hide behind the filibuster. Every member of your caucus was not willing to get rid of the filibuster under Trump. McConnell controlled the GOP into not getting rid of the filibuster. Now when the tables turn, Democrats want to get rid of it and cry bad faith when Manchin sticks to his opinion.
If Chuck Schumer had any power he’d force Sinema and Manchin to kow tow and get rid of the filibuster. It’s yalls own fault the filibuster exists today.
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@Double_R
Right, donating to the side trying to save our democracy = risking our democracy.Great logic there ILP5
Donating to a side that donates to candidates who want to risk democracy. I wouldn’t want my money going towards supporting Democrats who want to defund the police.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You’re wrong. Because you’re a dummy who doesn’t understand what the filibuster is.
They can get full power, but they choose not to. Is it the failure of Republicans that Chuck Schumer can’t control his caucus? Just takes 50 votes and Kamala Harris.
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@Double_R
No, you are wrong. Passing legislation through congress requires a way around the filibuster.
Which is possible if you get rid of the filibuster, which is possible with 50 votes + VP. Democrats haven’t done that yet. I wonder why?
Not to mention; no political party is a monolith. In this case we have two senators who do not share the views of the party and stand with republicans most of the time. To blame the entire party for what these two individuals do knowing the rest of the party is against them is just plain stupid.
No it’s not. You and the party helped these people get elected knowing full well they are like that. More so in the case of Manchin. Man has flip flopped his entire life. Is it worth it to spend resources to uphold Joe Manchin who doesn’t vote with you, or go all in on Beto O’Rourke who would do anything you asked. I know the answer to that question. Do you?
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Better translation: Even a bunch of illegitimate partisan ideologues aren’t going to uphold nonsense.
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Translation: I don’t think the court is illegitimate when it does something I agree with
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@Greyparrot
They got him this time lol.
The subpoena is gone in about 3 months
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RM notes that severe harassment and bullying will entail emotional harm and be bannable if the qrongdoer shows no progress towards reform, whether RM is the target or not.
Exhibit A folks. What’s severe harassment and bullying according to RM?
One callout thread where an individual who I’ve known for a while rants and calls me all these names for a day, and then stops.
RM would ban you if you start calling others names. RM would ban someone even if you yourself as the victim didn’t want them banned.
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@Greyparrot
Apparently, as a Democrat, it’s ok to disparage niggers, but you can't say anything about white Jews in the Democrat party.
Absolute madman
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@Ehyeh
3 months isn't enough time to notice his erratic and sometimes spiteful behaviour? As I said, I wouldn't trust that man to make me a sandwich. I don't need to be here for 2 years to notice these patterns, do i?
You definitely don’t. RM would be the worst President ever. He’d be willing to ban you for hurting his feelings. He’s said so multiple times
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@Double_R
Most Dems are not pleased with the fact that various democratic campaigns decided to risk our democracy for the sake of winning their seats, but what's frankly stupid is to pretend those Dems are the problem and not the idiots voting for them and republican politicians supporting them.
You donating to Democrats = you risking our democracy. Maybe stop donating to Democrats?
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@Shila
If nuts is what you are looking for, you won’t find any on Shila.
I thought you were trans
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@Shila
I will need to get permission to post a picture of my hymen to both prove I am not a bot and that I am a virgin.
That’s nuts
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@Elliott
I wonder if Lemming may be right and Shila could be a chatbot part of the time, and post human comments other parts of the time. Or be intentionally acting like a bot.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a part time bot/part time real person.
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@Greyparrot
Parrots feed on worms.
Fact Check: True
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@Mharman
Clearly we didn't ask the most important questions.
We weren’t involved in the process.
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@Mharman
Have whatever opinion on her intelligence you want. All I'm saying is that it certainly a screw-up on both mine and others' parts to conclude she was a bot and publicly made those accusations.
I think it’s fair to question things. If we’re wrong, we’re wrong.
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@Mharman
Look, she seems weird, but I am already seeing why my previous case for the chatbot idea doesn't hold up as well. All I can say at this point is that she's very likely a real person.
Conceivable. She’s a stain to the finance field though. A financial manager not knowing the different types of bankruptcies and tax code.
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@Mharman
Welp, turns out I was wrong. Apologies to Shila for those accusations. Thank God she was not an actual chatbot.
I actually think you may partially be right. It’s conceivable that there may be a bot and a real person. Hard to know though for sure
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@RationalMadman
Because I don't brown-nose the mods? Gladly happy not to be pres then, you moron look what you voted in
Far better than you. You literally are anti-free speech. Actually a freakin joke lmfao
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@RationalMadman
You are lashing out because you have no idea that Shila referred sarcastically to Ravenclaws being in the book. I cannot fathom the stupidity...
Lmfaooo. See you in the election buddy
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@Greyparrot
How long have you thought she was a bot?
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@Greyparrot
Fr, imma ask Dems how they feel about getting Kari Lake elected lol
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@RationalMadman
That is top tier trolling. If you do not catch her sarcasm and trolling, that is on you.
Lol okay. Any evidence to the contrary is trolling.
Shila literally trolled the mod team and half this website to think she is a bot LOLI know she is doing this act on purpose
And this is why you’ll never be President
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@Novice_II
Why is our moderation so incompetently insane? How is Shila a chat bot...I don't even understand how you reach that conclusion.
I’d actually have to disagree with you. It’s possible there could be a real person part of the time and the rest be done by a bot.
I noticed in a lot of responses to me, the response just doesn’t make sense. I posted a few examples if you want to take a look.
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@Vader
We did a case by case analysis, and after the first review, we deemed there was without a reasonable doubt that Shila was a chat bot.However, after a second review where Shila pleaded their case, when we reviewed new and old evidence, the moderation team deemed that there not enough conclusive to prove without a reasonable doubt Shila was a chat bot
Honestly, I did have the feeling where I was like wtf is this person even saying. I am 95% sure she’s a bot, just based on some responses to me.
What’s the evidence showing that she isn’t a chatbot. As an AI, I think it’s much much harder to respond to slang. Take a look at this for example:
Look at what I am trying to say and look at the response she gives. It doesn’t make sense.
In the same thread, look at this:
Her response to “Where should I show it.” That question is an irregular question. Look at the the response to that.
I could probably find more if I had more time.
That was one of the key reasonings as to prove they were not a chat bot
Hmm, with advanced machine learning, I wouldn’t be surprised if the bot could pass the test. Especially if it was AI.
The way to catch an AI is to use irrationalities and irregularities, which I showed you two examples of.
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@Vader
You should ask her to fill out one of those captchas
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Wait, Shila is a bot? Hold up
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@Double_R
Right.So watching some of the biggest crackpots we've ever seen run for office win governorships is funny cause you know... Own the libs.Not like I expected you're priorities to be anything else so...
I was referring to “pundits” like you, but go on. 2016 was a whitelash right?
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@Greyparrot
Did you know Kari Lake ran a janitorial crew? She has experience for politics!
I actually did. She worked to pay her way through college because she had like 7 brothers/sisters or something. Really crazy
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@Double_R
Why?
Cause everyone wrote them off, and to an extent are still writing them off
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@Mharman
Not spiders. They protect your home by killing bugs that would become general household pests. They're based for that.
Nah, the Arachnids are the worse. Brain Bugs need to die
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I nomínate Greyparrot. The master of finding memes and videos. #1 in forum posts
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