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I said it in the scum chat and I will say it here. That2user is scum mvp

I still got it after a year lol

Might I suggest it applying to presidents? I feel like a back-up plan might come in handy.

No it really is not. If you actually think it works as simple as you say, that the teams are as in your face as you say, you are just a naive fool.

Barely anything in high level geopolitics is as it immediately seems, deception is the name of the game. 

Yes, your explanation is because he was delusional enough to think he won the state, which I acknowledged and explained why that is completely irrelevant.

Again, if Trump actually cared about the integrity of the count he would have demanded a full recount with provisions in place to make sure *all* votes were counted properly. He didn't, because he didn't give a shit about the accuracy of the count. His only concern is that they "find" enough votes for him to win. There is a phrase for that, it's called corrupt intent. Why is this so complicated?

This is the kind of response that demonstrates how unserious and how much of a partisan hack you are. You know damn well that no one was out there protesting because Maxine Waters told them to.

Comparing J6 to the summer riots is just  plain stupid because the concerns regarding them are entirely different. This is yet another whataboutism from Trumpers who are so wrapped up in their MAGA self identity that they can't stop for a second and use basic logic or common sense.

Again, the rioting that occurred that summer was mostly opportunism by people who couldn't care less about the issue the protesters were out there protesting. And in many cases it has been proven that the vandals were right wingers pretending to be protesting in order to rile people up against BLM.

As far as the anger that feuled all this, that originated from videos of cops being filmed in broad daylight, and those videos circulating through social media. In other words, it was a result of civil unrest. No one was instructing the rioters, they saw the videos with their own eyes and drew their own conclusions. It only became political after it started happening.

Contrast that with J6, where the rioters took over the US Capitol forcing congress to stop the certification of a presidential election and evacuate the building. Those rioters were not grass roots civil disobedience, they were there because the president of the United States summoned them there after spending months lying to them about a stolen election that everyone around him knew was complete bullshit the entire time.

Unlike the summer riots, J6 was entirely manufactured by the person we as a nation trusted to protect and defend the constitution.

These are entirely different issues. One is the culmination of decades of tension between different ethnic groups within our society. The other was the culmination of months of a president doing everything he can to maintain power despite being voted out of office by the people. Do you understand that?

Here get your brownie points for being an ethnic Indian Trump supporter. If that pun offends you, Trump should have long ago, I posted it to entertain you as you seem to only be here for a laugh.

I will now try to reiterate exactly what I stated when the war had not even officially begun.

The invasion forces Biden to either look like a war hawk or be a coward, both which can swing him into defeat next election cycle as it's gonna be close just like the prior election was and some people vote irrationally and will ignore all the good the Dems have since his instatement for that.

If you own Trump, there is absolutely no reason at all to put him in a predicament where he has to drive gas prices up, make Russia threaten the US with nuclear attack not even subliminally and be either a war hawk or a spineless coward.

Simple. Didn't think that one through.

He posed as a defender of the white American,

then posed as anything but when called out on it and ended up nothing but a scumbag sore loser who incited a violent insurrection

and did all sorts of shit verbal and even physical in Iraqi soil (to an Iranian general) to make the US on the verge of actual serious war with North Korea, Iran so on and so forth.

Everyone talks about Biden but Trump would have been even more spineless most likely, since he's owned by Putin but let's not go into that right? (I know what you will reply to this, I am ready to respond what I did before).

Oh! that just applies to Trump. OK

No, this is the point. There was something deeply traumatising about the Capitol Riots that has shaken many, not just the 4 that committed suicide. It was domestic terrorism to force an agenda (which ironically I have said elsewhere that is a whole problem with the 2nd Amendment's pitting of people against government in a violent sense). 

Do you believe or not believe that the US requires a violent coup in order to achieve optimal respect and decent treatment of its populace? If your answer is no, you automatically should oppose the Capitol Riots unless you believe that unnecessary violence with completely non-consenting victims that costs state-paid law enforcement's time and effort, ends up resulting in 1 directly dying and 4 committing suicide and mentally scarring others and buildings paid by tax money being damaged, requiring taxes to need to increase to cover it.

It is simple, you're trying to constantly point a finger elsewhere. The riots surrounding George Floyd had majority peaceful protests, it was entirely nationwide in US, the minority that got aggressive and violent other than statue-removals, were thugs hijacking the 'cause' for a thrill.

In the end, you can choose your narrative, I do not particularly care what you say or think.

Is that your solution? Really you're playing the 'left wing source' to deny the facts and witness testimony as valid? Do you not think by now they'd have been sued for the lies if they are lies? They are literally naming police officers and official people at the event giving their testimony, any one could sue them for several thousand dollars if it defamed them.

I can admit the scale was larger, so much larger than the minority that got so severely violent and riot-prone were significantly such and that is primarily because thugs and antifa hijacked the riots. One of the shoplifters was Jake Paul, a famous white youtuber.

That is the point, you are looking at some superficial stuff your News has fed you and frankly the right wing has never fully understood psychiatry nearly as well as the left-wing beyond the fact that pure Socialists don't tend to understand the need for human ego to get selfish reward for a job well done (at least in some capacity).

I will give you a chance to pull your head out of your right-wing echo chamber and read some news that may open your eyes, read all of the quoted text or don't. I do not care either way.

I didn't talk about property damage from rioters, I talked about trauma to police officers.

You missed another very important stat.

J6 victims returning to work as usual: about 4 hours.

Thousands of Summer of love victims: Never able to recover.

And why is that? Have you checked all the rioters and looters to come up with this?

So you are encouraging to bait me into getting what you presume will be murdered by gangsters, in order to one-up me in a forum thread?

I mean, if I got paid to defend Democrats, I might kill myself too.

That is the point, during 'summer of love' there was no point at all that these cops genuinely went through severe trauma compared to what they experienced in the riots. Your news is the one lying, not the left-wing news. Your bias is the faulty bias.

This is where you need to start to sit back and think 'shit, did I understand it wrong?'

What you are told is that the riots were some funny event and when it originally happend your shitstained news outlet tried to blame antifa for it (don't deny it, Fauxlaw participated in this disinformation campaign and maybe GP did too).

Then, they switched tone once it was utterly irrefutable that they were all diehard Trump supporters who had followed his word.

It could be they got the Hillary treatment when they had thoughts about exposing what happened.

Is it laughable to suggest that four cops commit suicide to 1.5 year time gap after an event which is the inly event that they have had in common all with each other that seems to have traumatised them based on what relatives are saying?

You know what is actually laughable? A guy like you laughing at cop suicide then saying you are defending them against BLM protests.

You are a poser laughing at suicide and that is a fact.

The summer of love protesters were not acting at the direction of the president of the United States

You did forget one quote;

"All I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have"

Again, the charge is that he attempted to get the Georgia sec of state top declare him the victor by providing a false number. Even in your best case scenario where Trump is so detached from reality that he believes every conspiracy theory under the sun, there is still no where in this call where he asked for an accurate number. To ask for an accurate number would mean that Georgia "find" every vote for Biden missed as well. But he didn't, because all he cared about was 11,780.

This is as simple of a common sense concept as we'll ever see in law. Trump did not care about the integrity of the count, he cared about himself. Full stop. That is the definition of corrupt intent no matter how you try and spin it.

Is that a thing to lol about?

It wasn't for procedural reasons. You do, in fact, need evidence to get the courts to listen. Trump had nothing.

That wasn't what Trump was doing. He was trying to get them to send a completely separate set of electors to vote for him.

"Trump is just as bad as the Democrats" is a lousy defense.

Yes, but that interpretation makes no sense. Were that interpretation correct, Trump would have given the number of ballots he thought were fraudulent, not the exact number he needed to win.

The constitution is indeed a question of legality.

Yes. Dozens of policemen were injured. And had the "Hang Mike Pence" crowd gotten their hands on him or Pelosi, there's no question what would have happened.

That the violent BLM protesters are also guilty doesn't make the January 6 rioters innocent.

Why have four cops present that day committed suicide since the event?

It is absolutely valid to use them against the republican party because the party continues to treat them as if they were peaceful protesters taking selfies

That kind of thing happens every time they're in power. Trump or no Trump, they would have won the presidency and Congress back. Without Trump, it would have happened in 2024 or 2028, but it would have happened. And yes, it's bad.

You know what else is bad? Trying to overturn elections. So long as we have a democracy, inflation can be addressed.

Second amendment rights can be won back.

The border can be secured.

However, trying to maintain the integrity of elections  while a large chunk of the country supports overturning them is a much harder task.

And if that chunk of the country should ever succeed in overturning an election, that is going to be a far bigger problem than borders, inflation, and guns.

I said he tried to illegally maintain power, not that he succeeded. He tried to get the courts to overturn election results based on conspiracy theories.

He tried to maintain power by trying to get governors to "find" votes for him.

He tried to maintain power by trying to convince states that he lost to send electors that would vote for him anyway.

He tried to convince Congress to dispute the electoral votes from states he lost.

He tried to convince Pence to discard electoral votes from states he lost.

January 6 was the most violent and blatant example of his attempts to remain in power, but it was only a small part of the overall effort.

I am not a Republican either lol

I support Romney over Trump because I support politicians who don't try to illegally maintain power over politicians who do. I don't support Romney because of his policies. While I agree with some of them, he is far more moderate than I am.

How do you define a Romney/Cheney Republican? They are not the same type of Republican. Cheney is further right than Romney. If you're referring to neoconservatism, that is still very common in the Republican party. That would hardly make me a RINO.

What does that even mean? What "establishment"? Trump is the Republican party establishment.

Can you point to any examples of me caving on guns and healthcare?

Do you have any specifics that make me a RINO? Surely you have more reasons than lumping me into vague generalities.

Trump, and the Republican Party's continued support of him and his worst inclinations, is the only reason I am not a Republican. So, everything.

Can you give any reasons why I would be a RINO that have nothing to do with Trump?

And that has what to do with me?

Can you give any reasons why I would be a RINO that have nothing to do with Trump?

I'd be curious to see how many reasons you can give for me being a RINO that don't have anything to do with Trump.

Most Democrats and most Republicans are in agreement that the actions of the crowd on January 6, 2021 were distasteful. But if the incident continues to be used as a brute cudgel against the Republican Party, then I will sooner call the Capitol stormers heroes and patriots.

First of all, I don't recall ever saying whether I used to be a Republican.

However, I don't see how it matters. Calling me a RINO is like calling you a DINO. You aren't a DINO because you're not a Democrat. I am not a RINO because I am not a Republican.

Um, no, I'm not. A RINO is a Reblican In Name Only. I am simply not a Republican, period.

This thread is reason #37 why I am not a Republican, despite being very much on the right.

Nope! I'm talking about people like Jeffrey Bezos and Elon Musk -- and their corporations that have somehow been deemed to have "corporate personhood".

4 pages in and not one post from a Trump supporter actually talking about the evidence nor explaining why they would vote for him again despite the fact that the man literally tried to overthrow the United States government.

Why am I not surprised?

That being said, despite their hired director, the Dems stuck to THE FACTS!

Imagine being so pathologically partisan and fundamentally brainwashed into thinking that temporary inflation  is more significant than a president or coup trying to overthrow the government and the results of an election in the United States lol.