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@n8nrgim
You see all the liberal heads exploding when Musk buys Twitter. That’s all you need to know about who’s doing the censorship lol
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@Greyparrot
@ADreamOfLiberty
You have to be blind to not see retaliation efforts by the Democrats. The whole Russia hoax was a retaliation effort lol
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@Greyparrot
It’s only retaliation if I think it is. Every other time it isn’t
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@Double_R
I’m no political strategist, but that doesn’t seem like a way to win to me. But then again, everything I just said only matters to one who values things like reason and logic. If on the other hand all you care about is political power, then by all means carry on.
If only you knew some history.
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@coal
Sorry. I just don't take your thoughts on this matter seriously enough to expend the time to respond.
Agreed lol
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@Greyparrot
While I agree with the principle, the last 6 years have established a precedence that allows for the political retaliation against any political opposition. You can't expect all that to change over a matter of days as the public has accepted numerous violations as the normal business of politics. Trump warned that what they did to him will be done to others. Now we are just starting to see what he meant by that.
Exactly my point.
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@Double_R
Free speech means the government cannot use its power to silence you, it does not mean you have a right to “win” on social issues.
Can’t win if you don’t fight back
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@cristo71
I recall you avoiding answering straightforward questions from me because you were convinced I was “going for the ‘gotcha!’” so there’s a lack of self awareness in your posts which creates much irony…
Pretty sure he’s having flashbacks from when I did that to him in our debate. At least he’s learning lol
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@Athias
I’ve never denied that. I’m just saying taking the high road forever is unsustainable. It’s not overtly wrong to say ideally I’d like free speech for everyone. Democrats clearly don’t support that. They’ve won all the social issues for the past couple of decades.
You still have yet to answer my question, which in itself is telling. My whole premise is that when the higher road doesn’t work (we both know it hasn’t on social issues), you have to do something.
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@3RU7AL
corporations are the largest contributors to political campaignsthis of course includes news organizations
I apologize, I meant public criticism
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@Athias
I would hate to have you as the President. If we choose to take the higher road forever, sooner or later the country won’t exist. If a country attacked you, would you sit back and let them kill your own people. That’s the higher road right?
At some point you have to say no. What point is that. You have yet to answer that.
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Just on a side note, it’s horrible policy for firms to engage in politics.
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@Double_R
And no I never tried to paint you as an unconstitutionalist, I merely pointed out a contradiction in your professed principals and what you were saying here in this thread. The point is to make you position here. The only one of us painting the other is you trying to make it sound like I’m attacking you by pointing out the error in your statement.
You’re heavily implying that I don’t believe in the sanctity of the constitution, which is wrong.
First of all, who is “democrats”? Because the conversion is not about Twitter warriors typing in all caps and spreading memes, we’re talking about government.When democrats who wield actual government power pass a tax on Goya products for supporting Trump, then you can compare the situation to what Florida just did.
Easy. Democratic legislators used their power to ban Chick Fil A from operating in airports because of their “anti-LGBT” beliefs. Sounds like targeting to me.
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@Athias
So conservative legislators should penalize Disney for its political dissent to send a message to the Democrats? That's your justification?
I’m a believer in fighting fire with fire if nothing else works. It’s why I support enhanced interrogation, but I digress.
If a Democratic legislature penalized a company for expressing conservative political opinion, and issued a penalty for it (and I'm sure this has happened,) would you not condemn them? Isn't it the principle that mattersrather than who sports the Donkey and who sports the Elephant?
I would condemn them. But if nothing is done about, which let’s be honest, hasn’t, Democrats should have no concern about it happening with them. I understand taking the higher road, but there’s a limit to that in my view.
Why are you guys compelling arguments on my behalf which defend Disney?
I’ve already said that I think it’s probably unconstitutional, but I understand where people are coming from. Liberal are using scorched earth tactics with their social/cultural issues, while conservatives just dilly dally on the higher road. Where do you think this men in women’s sports ends up in a decade? As a norm. It’s already happened with gay marriage and abortion. History tends to repeat itself; you just have to recognize it.
It’s a simple question: how far does it have to go for you to say enough is enough?
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@RationalMadman
I am not sure if you are agreeing with me or mocking me.
I am agreeing with you. I think Kamala is an even bigger disaster, but at least it’s not elder abuse
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@Greyparrot
Increase taxes on corporations. Well, except Disney
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@RationalMadman
They can install Kamala in, but Biden simps have all the power apparently
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@Athias
The point here is hypocrisy. Rules for thee but not for me. When Democrats tell everyone to not buy Goya products because they support Trump, all is well. But when DeSantis calls out Disney for their shenanigans, there’s an uproar.
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@Double_R
If you agree with what Desantis did while admitting it is unconstitutional, then you agree with someone violating the constitution. That by definition means you do not believe in the constitution.
The amount of mental gymnastics you’re going through to paint me as an anti-constitutionalist is astonishing. My two beliefs are and can be mutually exclusive.
Do I agree with abortion? No. Is abortion constitutional at the moment? Yes.
Just cause I don’t agree with abortion doesn’t mean I don’t believe in the constitution lol. And to even suggest that is disingenuous.
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@Greyparrot
It’s sad to see Democrats essentially defending elder abuse.
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@3RU7AL
it can't be "irrelevant", since it is EXPLICITLY the key point of this entire discussion."up to a doctor" you say ?appeal-to-authority much ?
I mean if a child has a penis and that’s it and a doctor says the child is a girl, I wouldn’t agree with the doctor. If it’s arbitrary, then I would agree with the doctor’s assessment. If I disagreed with it, I’d get a second or third opinion.
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@Double_R
So you don’t believe in the constitution? That’s quite a stunning admission.
You clearly did not read what I said. Take a look again.
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@Greyparrot
That Bunny was clearly photoshopped.
It reminds me of a scene from this movie I watched:
😂😂
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@Double_R
Really curious to know what all of the free speech advocates here think about Florida using the power of big government to crack down on private companies for saying what they believe.Discuss…
Do I agree with DeSantis? Yes. Do I think it’s constitutional? No.
However, as a finance major, the Board of Directors is clearly not upholding its fiduciary duties to shareholders by engaging on this issue. I’d argue that shareholders have a better case for suing Disney just based on decisions by the BoD and through them, management. I agree with YYW’s claim that as a shareholder, I’d be furious.
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@Greyparrot
Can’t be worse than the Easter Bunny getting him away lol
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@secularmerlin
Ok then you should have no trouble telling me if a baby with only x chromosomes and a functioning penis is a female boy or a girl with a penis.
That’s irrelevant, and frankly up to a doctor to designate. Is it possible to have 6 fingers on a hand? Yes. But do we say that humans have 6 fingers on a hand. No.
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@Polytheist-Witch
How does this not count as an "extravagant lie".
Cause there’s a double standard around here, which is a major problem.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
In the code of Hammurabi a person who makes a false accusation, and it is proven that they knew it was false; they get the punishment set for the crime that they accused someone of. Something like that needs to make a come back.
Well we also know that peasant on elite punishment was not the same as elite on peasant punishment. Gonna have to strongly disagree
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@RationalMadman
That is why force is required to get tax money out of the greedy.
So why isn’t the government doing anything about. Corruption + Warlords. Who would’ve guessed
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@RationalMadman
Um... that's exactly what I'm saying. Except replace 'food' with 'food, hygiene products and happiness'.
By all means if you want to do all of the things I mentioned, go ahead. No sane investor would ever invest in the project.
You’re arguing that people should literally burn their money
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@RationalMadman
I see. Bare shelves Biden, eh? Well skeleton-bodied starving people in Africa and South Asia is the result when you don't entertain what you call Marxist BS.
This is a common fallacy that I see in the world hunger argument. The problem isn’t that there’s not enough food. The problem is the distribution network of the food.
The distribution network that has to factor in war/violence, legal problems in countries, corruption, infrastructure investments.
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@RationalMadman
I think we’d support the 2nd. Currently, donating to charity brings you a tax break, so rich people do that anyways. It’s a far better strategy than forcing them to pay stuff.
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I don’t know one person on the right who opposes the concept of Food Banks. I’ve volunteered at my Food Bank multiple times.
Abusing the system though is inherently immoral. If you are capable of providing for yourself and choose not to, that’s harming other poor people.
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@Greyparrot
It’s not defrauding if the government is too moronic to close the loophole
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@ADreamOfLiberty
As written when I read it, No moderator can be impeached during the cooldown.Suppose 10 people support a controversial action of a moderator, and to protect that moderator they launch a petition against any other moderator simply to trigger the cooldown?
Ya I see what you’re saying but that’s not what I intended. What I meant is if the final vote fails, that mod is immune for 6 months. Another mod can still be petitioned.
Bad faith attempts by a mod to be immune for 6 months, I’d argue, wouldn’t get the 10 signatories. And even if they did, that in itself would be a gross misuse of their power.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So you're pretty sure this site won't see an increase in popularity huh?
I don’t see what difference it makes. The vote at the end is what matters. And the same moderator cannot be petitioned against for 6 months if the vote fails. There won’t be a perpetual of petitions.
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@Barney
Glad to have such a clear view of what you consider corruption.
I mean you’re just proving my point, but okie
While I'm looking forward to our upcoming debate, I don't foresee there being any continued benefit to trying to speak to you outside of that medium.
I don’t plan on debating for the foreseeable future. And I’m glad you’ll stop commenting. This thread was meant for constructive criticism.
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@zedvictor4
I mean I’d hope that if a mod bans me unfairly, there is a process for removal that the people can support.
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@Barney
By all means elaborate. Keeping your evidence a secret from everyone, is perhaps the worst way to argue anything.
Well let’s see. There was the 1st Wylted ban. There was the RM ban. BrotherDThomas ban, etc.
If you’re gonna vote against it, by all means do. I have like 10 other people who are leaning towards voted yes on the MEEP
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@Barney
By this do you mean banning Incel-chud for doxing? You've been complaining about that a lot, but I figure it's best to doublecheck.
Various times.
Anyways, your document is well laid out. There's some nitpicky misunderstandings (Michael is the only one who can assign or remove moderator powers, not the head mod), but those are easily remedied. I don't like the amount of red tape in it (precisely this many hours, between precisely these hours; and spend up to a week asking people if they really made forum posts adding their names to a petition).
If you just want a vote that’s fine with me. I just added it with the mods in mind. I think specifics are important, and I would argue a lot of people agree with me.
As moderators are members of the site, I am not sure why they would be barred from voting.
I thought I put a provision where the mod in question can still vote, but other mods cannot. This was done to prevent a conflict of interest.
I like the spirit of the thread limit rule, but trust me, you set a rule like that, and someone will make several additional threads in protest against their freedom of speech being stolen.
Ok, we can make it unlimited. I don’t mind.
I more strongly disagree with this: "Any official moderation acts by a removed moderator shall be null and void." Take me for example. Who do you imagine would put in the time to unban the many spambots I get rid of? And for what benefit? ... Not even getting into the coding challenges, of archiving instead of deleting their spam posts so that they can be restored.
You misunderstood what I meant. As soon a mod is removed, any mod actions they take are null and void (mainly put in cause it will take time to remove mod powers). I will make it more clear
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The only reason 10 people sounds hard to do is because you're used to a nearly dead forum. On other forums you could easily gather 10 people who will swear the earth is flat. You may want to add another limitation that the people who sign a petition have a 24 month cooldown before they can sign another if the removal fails.
I created the MEEP with respect to the site. 10 seemed like a reasonable number for this site. I completely disagree with the 24 month cooldown. That’s just an outrageous amount of time lol.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If there was no cool down at all 10 people could cripple the site with a constant impeachment battle even though there is no chance of removal.
I couldn’t tell if this was a criticism of me or RM, but I’ll respond anyways.
I believe there’s a provision that says a mod cannot be “impeached” in 6 months if the vote to remove fails. Also, you need people to sign your petition. If it’s for a dumb reason, then people aren’t going to support it. This means there will be no vote.
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@RationalMadman
The mods didn't abuse their power in banning Wylted. Furthermore, you need to stop dumping all blame on Ragnar when Whiteflame calls the shots no matter how much he wants to pull a David and deflect blame for the hard calls being made while he is the chief.
That’s irrelevant to the effort of having something in the books.
Why are you putting LIMITATIONS that hurt our ability to LIMIT the power of moderators?
To prevent abuse?
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@RationalMadman
@Lunatic
@thett3
@sadolite
@airmax1227
Please take a look and let me know.
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Hey guys. After seeing the mods engage in conduct that blatantly abuses their power, I decided to take action. I created this MEEP to ensure that the community has the power to remove a moderator from their position of power.
With great power comes great responsibility. As a result, there are various checks within the MEEP to prevent abuse of the statute I seek to put in the book. I would love any and all advice, either via PM or posted here publically. I will be meeting with the moderators soon. The link below has the guidelines that would be codified.
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@Lunatic
You’re welcome to accept it on my behalf
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