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@Discipulus_Didicit
Pie votes No to any proposal besides Pie, WF, RM, Oro
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@RationalMadman
I have already in this thread and the one before. No further explanation is required.Will you like to explain to me how Supa suggests that team and acts as useless as he has if he's Resistance?
I’m just saying game is solved either way. If Supa is Spy he’s forced to play a Spy card here. If he plays resistance, it’s game over with us 3 again. Same thing for Oro.
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@oromagi
That's easily the nicest thing Pie has ever said about me.
Lol you’ve corrected me a dozen times on rules in different mafia games . You’re pretty meticulous bout them
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@RationalMadman
They’re essentially forced to play Spy card here if either of em are Spies.
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@RationalMadman
I will literally vote no through to Supa getting veto vote if you vote no to Oromagi.
Why does it matter? Game is solved either way. If either Supa or Oro are Spies and play Resistance it’s game over
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@RationalMadman
Honestly it doesn’t matter, Supa is fine
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@oromagi
Well you were a participant in the very conversations that GP called bullying and are better positioned than any other debateartist to testify that I was in no way threatening or abusive and that GP's requests for safe space protection was both inappropriate and contradictory to the spirit of this site, but for more than a year you've allowed GP's injustice to stand. To clarify, the restraint is voluntary at the request of Mods and is there has been no suggestion of official enforcement. Still, I feel compelled by good citizenship to abide by that moderated request, however unfair and based in deception the initial complaint. This is precisely the kind of safe space protection from criticism that you claim to abhor in academia but then fail to criticize when enjoyed by your friends.
You are willing refraining from exercising your right to talk with him. You are welcome to engage with him until you are faced with a restraining order. GP had the right to call you anything. If you’re restricting yourself then I can’t really do much. If you get banned for exercising your free speech right, I would definitely veto it though as President.
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@RationalMadman
It doesn’t matter. If Supa is the spy he’s forced to play a Spy card here, otherwise we win with us 3 again
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@RationalMadman
Oro dumbtold, Supa literally used a team guaranteed to fail.
Oro and dumb especially with respect to rules of a game is an oxymoron
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@Discipulus_Didicit
ILikePie votes No to anything besides Pie, RM, WF, Supa
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I suggest Supa because Oro practically outed as Spy last round at the end.
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@whiteflame
Who do we want our 4th to be?
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@RationalMadman
@whiteflame
Vote No here and let’s do Pie, WF, RM. Force their hand.
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@RationalMadman
ILikePie5 votes No to any team Supa comes up with
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@RationalMadman
They’re not gonna frame us lol. If Earth hammers yes he’s essentially saying you’re not a spy. He’s not gonna hammer. He’s hiding as usual.
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@RationalMadman
Supa’s the next guy to nominate
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Who else is running?
Just us two atm I think. You can nominate someone if you want.
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@oromagi
You me WF next 3 if he votes no, which he will
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't know much about who is running. Truth is I voted no on the MEEP to have a President and my main reason for supporting RM is that he did too.
Lmfao, well I voted yes and I care about the office enough to vote yes so🤷♂️
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@oromagi
So, while I'd give you both a downcheck on the pursuit of free speech, I think RM's interests are objectively more fair-minded than yours.
I would disagree. RM’s viewpoints on banning are on a personal level like against Wylted. Wylted was wrongfully banned upon review yet RM probably still believes to this day that he should be banned. That’s fine, after all it’s his opinion, but it directly goes against free speech.
I think you are criticizing me for the restraining order policy, which is not something I technically believe in. But it does serve a purpose in gauging harrassment.
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@oromagi
That's because RM's positions on free speech are reliably self-interested and personal while you have a history of only promoting free speech you agree with and remaining silent in the defense of free speech you despise. When greyparrot made his false and cowardly accusations of bullying against me just to relieve himself of the burden of having to rebut my critiques, I specifically asked you to condemn your bff greyparrot's fake defanations and you lol'ingly declined. A debateartist truly commited to free speech would have encouraged greyparrot to give up his unfair censorship and welcomed the refinement of ideas in the crucible of argument, even knowing that little of what greyparrot says can stand up to reasoned inquiry. I truly believe that you would be an ardent supporter of free speech on behalf of thett or DrFranklin but I have little faith that you would take the same principled stand on behalf of FLWR or RM. I think RM would stand up for most debateartist's freedom of speech, including yours, so long as that freedom did not cross his own self-interest. I call that preferable to political or factional interest.
I don’t remember when you were censored tbh. If there’s a restraining order on you that’s a different story.
If you, RM, or FLWR were banned for espousing liberal speech I would fully support reinstating you all. Free speech means being allowed to say what you want to say. Blocking a user is a site function which is a different story. Same thing with a restraining order that’s used to gauge harrassment. If you aren’t allowed to comment on GP’s forum posts, I believe you should be allowed to.
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@Vader
Why are you voting no? Stop being fuckin lazy and explain your reads.
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@oromagi
Well, from my perspective the election has been running for three weeks and is easily the least divisive project ever devised for this site: one candidate with no sign of opposition. It's as if George Washington is running. If that's the result of zero care and letting things run rampant, I guess I'm okay with it.
I was under the impression that mods had to announce it. I’m running officially, though I’m sure you’re going to vote for my opponent who has a history of opposing free speech
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I’m offended you’re not voting for me
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@Vader
I still need to think. I'm not a huge fan of Pie
You have yet to answer why…
and am unconfident in oro but I do think you are likely resistance unless you big brained this.
Earth, Pie, Oro cannot all be spies.
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@RationalMadman
Problem is if Oro is a towny he’s hard throwing the game. Literally. He’s a stubborn bastard based on a mafia game I had with him. A 5 year old could see who scum was but he couldn’t.
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@oromagi
I’m inclined to believe you’re town and last scum is Supa, just cut the objectivity bs. Because objectively Earth’s words implicate him. There’s no other scenario where he’s town
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@oromagi
Also you have yet to say why your future is better than my future?
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@oromagi
Wanting to be on the mission is such a shitty reason to spy read someone. We were all saying first choices don’t matter, but Earth says “why” to Pie+RM team. He’s not ok with that for god knows what reason, but is more than happy to do himself and RM. What does this mean? He wanted to be on the mission himself. If at anything it’s an equal read.
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@Vader
Why do you dislike this Mission Selection
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@RationalMadman
He will vote no, look what he said before.
He’s being a moron. What he said doesn’t even make sense. He’s just saying it to show he’s “active.”
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@RationalMadman
We can't, Oro has voted no and we are forced to need to take a leap of faith now because 5 no's is instant spy-win anyway.
Supa hasn’t voted yet.
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@RationalMadman
That is the single least likeliest spy team at this point considering where and when Earth hammered 'no' as well as how Oromagi has behaved to this team suggestion.Why do you not agree?
We’ll figure it out tomorrow. The course of action is pretty simple after this. One of WF, Oro, and Supa is scum. WF thinks it’s Oro, you think it’s Supa or WF. Either way we can figure it out tomorrow
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@RationalMadman
Oromagi as scum here wouldn't vote no to this or be this irritated by the team. I also would like to remind you where and when Earth hammered no both times.Earth and Oro is a team that doesn't add up if we consider Earth randomly hammering no to Oro's own team suggestion with me following and saying I wouldn't add Oro to my team.
Oro’s affiliation is irrelevant as I explained to WF. If he plays a Spy action he’s screwed. He’s essentially forced to play resistance and we get a free resistance.
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@whiteflame
We’re on the same side for this round at least
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@Vader
@whiteflame
Notice how Oromagi directly aligns with Earth and policies
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@oromagi
Of course, you realize this reads as an admission that you are a spy
No it means if there is a sabotage the game is solved and resistance wins lol
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@oromagi
Honestly, if there's sab round 2 I don't think there's much hope for us in any case.
In your scenarios, yes. In mine if there is a sabotage it’s practically over
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@Vader
I am not a fan of this roster sign up. I don't like how Pie instant voted yes versus analyzing who else was in the roster.
Did you even read the DP?
I clearly explained why RM should be on it. I’m Resistance so I should be on it. You Oro and WF have one spy. 1/3 chance. I have grievances against you as I mentioned before. That leaves WF and Oro who are both null at the moment to me. Either is fine. I also mentioned that I’d be willing to accept you on the team because my top townread RM thinks you’re town.
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@oromagi
I think we should choose 3 out of the 4 non-1st rounders in this round and if no sab than all 4 non-1st rounders in the third.
I need more details. Say Pie, Oro, WF go M2 and it’s a Sabotage. Who goes next? Certainly Supa, but who are the next 3 people. Cause there are 3 slots and 5 people to choose from. Only 1/2 saboteurs need to be on the Mission to succeed. The odds are horrible. Say you put me on it cause I’m most townread. Still 2 slots with 4 people to choose from. Odds are horrible.
Say there’s a resistance play. If we go Pie, Oro, WF, Supa, next there’s certainly gonna be a Spy play and we won’t know who did it out of the 4. Then we have to choose 3 people. If we choose the same three as R2 we still risk losing with a sabotage. Odds are horrible.
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