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@RationalMadman
Videographic evidence is one of the most solid forms of evidence there is.
But it isn’t the only evidence.
The 9 minute video doesn’t tell the entire picture. You have to analyze everything before as well. You have to conduct an autopsy. Saying Chauvin should be convicted just based on one piece of evidence is ludicrous.
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@Barney
To me the most damning bit (as shown clearly in the link), was Chauvin refusing to remove his knee from the neck when Floyd agreed to cooperate.
See this is a common misunderstanding. There have been a lot of cases where a person fakes a physical ailment, which was the case here. A reasonable officer who came to see that 3 officers weren’t able to put a suspect in the squad car (superhuman strength) would be well within his rights to maintain restraint until EMS came (something which a Prosecution witness testified he had done in the past; Chauvin had too and no one said anything about it).
How exactly was he supposed to "get up and get in the car," while still being held down? They might as well have asked him to magically turn into a jet and fly into the sun.
At that point there was no was no way they would’ve lifted the restraint. Floyd was clearly a threat considering there were a lot of cases where people faked ailments only to attack the officer and possibly steal their weapon. It was the same case here cause Floyd could not breathe before he was even on the ground.
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@HistoryBuff
I don't see how anyone could defend crushing a man's neck for over 8 minutes all the while he wasn't resisting. And during this shouting at him to get in the car, but still crushing his neck while you yell at him.
Show me evidence that his neck was literally “crushed.” There is zero such evidence.
Also, why did chauvin pull him out of the car?
Cause he refused to get into the car?
he was yelling at him to get into it, but George had already been in it, Chauvin pulled him back out and slammed him onto the ground.
You need to watch the video again dude. George Floyd refused to get in the car, so much so that his own buddies told him to just get in the car.
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@RationalMadman
Then you need to research history of both Chauvin and cop aggression in general. I'm glad the only thing you could say wasn't 100% proven was tbe racist motive, that means you admit all the rest.
I admit nothing. The maneuver was legal as testified by the Prosecution Witness. It was a lesser use of force than was required. All the defense has to prove is that
A.) Chauvin’s conduct was reasonable, which it was based on a plurality of factors including lesser use of force. Maintaining a restraint on someone who literally fought off 3 officers before and because of the crowd who was extremely threatening, so much so the ambulance didn’t even help Floyd at the stop - they loaded and moved him away then did it.
B.) Chauvin’s knee didn’t play a significant factor in Floyd’s death which is proven by the enlarged heart, 70-90% blocked coronary arteries, deadly amounts of fentanyl and meth in his system, and CO poisoning, high amounts of adrenaline because of the resisting. All of these factors combined could’ve easily prevented Floyd from getting enough oxygen resulting in cardiac arrest.
I guarantee you they wouldn't have mandhandled a caucasian suspect to that brutal level. They threw him around like a ragdoll until he suffocated to death.
What if I told you that a white guy had in fact been in the same position and no one talks about it?
Chauvin irrefutably murdered him with intent. You can see he doesn't release the knee on the neck. Stop running to an autopay report and what it doesn't explocitly say before vindicating.
He doesn’t have to. Violent resisters have a history of faking stuff and there was evidence that Floyd was faking the ability not to breathe before he was put to the ground. It’s done for the suspects safety, the officers safety, and the crowds safety.
Where's your smiley emojis and arrogance? Why not talk about the murder?
It wasn’t murder. Listening to the one sided media wouldn’t tell you how nuanced this issue is. Actually listening to the trial will.
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@Intelligence_06
Because nothing is “free.”
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@Dr.Franklin
looks like trump was right again
Just goes to show you that the left and their allies were scared shitless by the idea of Trump getting re-elected.
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@TheUnderdog
It’s cause the left has their media propaganda machine covering for them
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Any person who says All Lives Matter thinks Black Lives Matter including me.
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Also I didn’t see one shred of evidence that this event was racially motivated.
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Understand that if videos were solely used to convict someone then the U.S. would be a banana republic.
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25% of the players just refuse to play whatsoever. Gg if they’re both town. We physically cannot win
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@Lunatic
@oromagi
@FourTrouble
Wtf are y’all doing. Hammer him already
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I’m literally gonna stop playing if there is a no lynch today. Utter disgrace
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@coal
So you are wholly unable to see or understand why I would have been frustrated with your nonsense?
I think any ordinary person would’ve done what I asked because it’s the town thing to do.
And your claim that I refused is demonstrably false, as evidenced by the subsequent posts.You're just wrong. Period.
Anyone can read the interaction. I asked you to expand on reasoning behind 3 players and it took you 3 hours to do so when you were definitely on.
And your reads are wrong, to the limited extent you've posted them only after FT and I pressured you for them.
This makes no sense. If you want my reads, just ask, I’ll post them. I responded to FT’s request for reads on two players. Then we both posted our reads simultaneously.
And your reasons for asking me for reads are wrong; you don't understand why I asked for yours, or what to do with the information now that you have it.
I actually do. It furthers my belief that if Speed is not scum, you definitely are.
This discussion is pointless. If you are scum you might as well kill me tonight and lobby to get Lunatic lynched tomorrow.
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@coal
I asked for explanations for specific people. You outright refused to do it when I asked, and then pulled a 180 and did it after I complained about it. Again - frustration.
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1. oromagi - Unknown —> Unknown
2. Lunatic - Juvia Lockser —> Protector
3. iLikePie5 - Lucy Heartfilia —> Dreamer
4. MisterChris - Mirajane Strauss —> Loved
5. FourTrouble - Erza Scarlet —> JOAT: Cop, Armor
6. coal - Cana Albertina —> Drunk
7. Speedrace - Levy McGarden —> Hider
8. whiteflame - Gray Fullbuster —> Unknown
Xx. RatMan - Doranbalt —> Cop
Xx. Earth - Jellal Hernandez —> Miller
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@coal
Why is TUF suspicious of me for trying to buddy him --- when I was doing no such thing --- yet he is not suspicious of Pie, who may as well have been riding TUF's dick since I've claimed.
This is objectively false. Lunatic is the only legitimate protective role that has claimed. I don’t like the fact that FT has both day and night roles apparently and the fact that he visited RM last night (WIFOM tho).
You on the other hand have a generally scummy role. Your reasoning for choosing Whiteflame makes zero sense to me. Your refusal to give reads when I asked for them further leads me to believe that you’re frustrated which is what I’d put your scum meta at.
Speed is being lynched today because he’s inactive and as a result clearly a detriment to town. He also has a character that doesn’t fit the role based on what I’ve read. Also if he is scum then you’re town and I’d rather have a RB alive tomorrow as a Townie than a Hider.
Until another protective role comes out, I’m willing to hard town read Lunatic.
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@coal
- The way we should all play should be oriented towards playing many games, enjoyably and repeatedly. It's less about winning any particular game, as wanting to play again when it's over no matter the outcome.
What happens in mafia stays in mafia.
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@FourTrouble
Why aren't we lynching Oro?
Speed is in my dreams and Oro isn’t.
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@Lunatic
It’ll be 3/5 either way. We need Chris and Oro to pop up to vote for Coal but only you and Chris to vote for Speed. Order really doesn’t matter cause both are scummy but RB would be more useful than a Hider.
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@Lunatic
Help me lynch coal and im down. Scum speed would be on defending. Fr.
If he were town he’d be doing that. Remember your game with the villains? If he’s not scum then Coal is 100% next.
But I’m definitely not No Lynching today. We have less than 24 hours and the DP ends in the morning when people like me will be asleep
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@MisterChris
We have less than 24 hours.
Speed and Oro are AWOL
FT disappeared. If no one is going to do anything, let’s get on with it
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@Lunatic
I honestly kinda want to as well, but Speed is really hurting us by not being active at all. At the end of the day we still have a mislynch. In the off chance Coal is the Town Drunk it’s a much more valuable role than a Hider.
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He still refuses to explain his reads on people while wanting the same from others.
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@coal
Oh goodie. Now that you've said your piece, do you have any intention of doing anything useful for the remainder of this day phase?
It was you who wanted reads from people before we lynch but you yourself don’t want to do it. Why is that?
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@MisterChris
@FourTrouble
How do y’all want to proceed? Speed and Oro are AWOL and Coal doesn’t want to lynch Speed cause he wants reads from everyone but when I ask for them he says they’re a waste of time.
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@coal
Frankly, I don't even think you have a reason why you're asking me for what you're asking. It seems like you're just asking questions to ask questions. And that futility is why you should not expect a further response from me.
I don’t need to explain my reasons for asking reads from you. Do it or don’t do it. I don’t see a reason why you wouldn’t do it, but your choice. If Speed is town you’re next on the list.
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Public announcement. If Speed flips town and I die, lynch Coal tomorrow for his refusal to answer questions from someone who he says is probably town
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@coal
- whiteflame - Town
- MisterChris - Possible town (confirmable town?)
- oromagi - Most likely scum (of those not "dreamed")
Expand on these 3 reads please.
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@coal
Second most likely to be scum overall, or second most likely from your pool of three?Clarify your intent in that statement.
From the list of you, Speed, and Lunatic.
Post your reads on each player
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@coal
Have you posted comprehensive reads on individual player yet? If not please do so
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@coal
Nearly all of that is wrong.
Based on what we know you’re 2nd most likely to be scum. Your role is a common scum role. Your reasoning behind selecting WF doesn’t make sense. You’re in my results. RM was confident you’re scum.
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@coal
Or so he claims.FT also claimed the ability to protect.
So you believe there’s scum in between FT and Lunatic?
There may well also be a doctor.
Whiteflame has had the opportunity to claim that and he hasn’t. Only person left is Oro
So, three people you dreamed.If we lynch one and that person is town, the remaining two could be either town or scum.
But odds are greater you’re scum if Speed isn’t and a reasonable person would lynch you. It’s pretty simple
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@coal
List the people who you "dreamed," all three.
Lunatic is town because he’s a protective role. Until someone claims a protective role, he’s town.
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@MisterChris
I must ask, has DRUNK shown up in previous games in DART/DDO? I could not find it on Drafterman's list.
Yes I used it in 13 Reasons Why for Zach Dempsey
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@SirAnonymous
Erm, no, definitely not, not at all...whatever gave you that idea?On an unrelated note, it's mighty hot in here, yes sirree, yes it is.
😂😂
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@Vader
Our favorite knight has returned. God bless
Ramen
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@SirAnonymous
Probably because your profile says pastafarianism?
Oh lol ya I put that as a joke
I'm pretty surprised at that as well. Never would have guessed it.
You probably thought I was white you racist 😂
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@RationalMadman
You are a Hindu?! I am shocked.
Why does that shock you?
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Politics:1. Generally, how do you identify politically?
Trump Conservative
2. Given the following 6 political identities, which do you most closely relate to? (Anarchist, Liberal, Centrist, Libertarian, Conservative, Authoratarian)
Conservative
3. If you were to choose 4 political identities as the most common - which four would they be?
Centrist, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian
4. If you were to briefly describe your general political identity - how would you?
Supporter of President Trump and the AMERICA FIRST conservative agenda.
5. If you were to briefly describe your closest-relative political identity - how would you?
Support of the traditional family structure and self-determination.
6. If you were to briefly describe the political identity which is directly opposed to yours - how would you?
Willing to do anything to stay and take power.
7. If you were to list the positions most integral to your political identity - what would they be? (listed from least to most important)
Supreme Court
Lower Taxes
Deregulation
Free and Fair Trade
Immigration
Guns
8. If you were to list the top 4 positions which you most agree with, what four would they be?
Anti-Illegal Immigration
Pro-Second Amendment
Lower Taxes
Deregulation
9. Do you consider your political identity widely represented in your respective government?
No.
10. What questions, if any, would you add to this section of the survey?
I think most of them are very similar to the contrary
Social:1. What do you believe to be the biggest social problem of today's era?
Mainstream Media and Big Tech
2. How do you think this problem could be solved generally?
Easier to sue the press for defamation and then anti-trust legislation
3. What do you think of these sexual/gender identities; Homosexual, Bisexual, Transgender, or Asexual?
Don’t really care as long as it doesn’t impact me.
4. What do you think of cultural labels such as "cultural marxists" or "TERFs"? (though not limited to those labels specifically)
Agree with some of them
5. Which, if any, circumstances do you believe justifies abortion?
Life of mother is in danger
6. What do you believe to be the ideal home environment?
Nuclear Family
7. What do you believe to be the most important value to instill in young individuals?
Loyalty
8. What do you think of cultural movements such as BLM or Feminism?
Stupid.
9. Should taxpayer money be used to support policies such as Universal Healthcare and Universal Secondary Education?
No.
10. What questions, if any, would you add to this section of the survey?
Dunno
Religion:1. Generally, which religion do you identify with?
Hinduism
2. Generally, do you believe religion to be important to society - how so or how not?
Yes, because it instills family values in most cases which is a high determinant of success
3. Do you believe the religion you identify with is being persucted or bigoted against?
No.
4. Do you believe that its important for education to instill relgious values into children?
No. Should be the job of the parents.
5. Aside from the god of your religion, do you believe that religion is the most important aspect of life?
No.
6. Do you believe that everyone else, or the majority of people, should be of your religion?
Don’t really care
7. What do you think of indivudals who do not affilate with your religion?
To each their own
8. Do you believe that the church and government should be seperated?
Yes
9. Do you believe that individuals have a freedom from religion as well as a freedom to religion?
Yes
10. What questions, if any, would you add to this section of the survey?
Dunno
Science:1. Generally, do you believe science to be an accurate way of interpreting and describing our reality?
Yes in most cases
2. Do you believe that the theory of natural selection and evolution is how the current species of the earth developed?
Seems plausible, don’t know much bout it tho
3. Do you believe that creationism is how the current species of the earth developed?
I don’t know, maybe
4. Do you believe that the big bang and cosmologic evolution is how our current universe "began"?
Until contrary evidence comes, yes
5. Do you believe that the oblate spheroid model of the earth is accurate in regards to the shape of the earth?
Yes
6. Do you believe that climate change is happening at an increased rate?
Yes, but it is cyclical in nature
7. Do you believe that there are genetic differences between different ethnicities aside from melalin content?
Yes - certain races are more likely to develop diseases like sickle cell anemia
8. Do you believe that IQ tests are accurate ways of measuring an individual's intelligence?
To a certain degree
9. Do you believe that the current scientific consensus is accurate in regards to the description of reality?
Not in all cases - science is always changing
10. What questions, if any, would you add to this section of the survey
None
Misc.1. Would you be interested in a general interview, conducted by Theweakeredge?
Sure
2. Would you be interested in a specific interview, conducted by Theweakeedge?
Sure
3. Do you think the questions presented above are effective in collecting the general positions of individuals?
No, they’re too generalized with little regard for nuance in the way they’re asked
4. What categories, if any, would you add or take away from the survey above?
Add to all
5. On a scale of 1-10 (1 being lowest, 10 being highest) how would you rate the bias of this test?
1
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