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I’ll think more about that later, for now, I will say you have a good point on Banana.

I still believe her claim. If she’s scum it’d have to be with Thst2 as a teammate, at which point they shouldn’t even know about the existence of F-16_Fighting_Falcon. I credited him in the archives thread, but I doubt either of them have read it, let alone noticed his username displayed there.

and finally, doublevoter is a good way to give town a fighting chance, should I hide behind the wrong person

Side note: we have no claimed protectives again

If people wanted to pass on lynching Whiteflame and go straight for Wylted that would be preferred, would get us to the endgame fastest because I am fairly confident that Whiteflame is town, but good luck selling pie and mharman on that.

This stance solidifies for me that this lynch order is the correct move.

Completely fine with that, because in that situation banana would have won already if scum, and if it was somehow mharman than something bastard is at play here, so I would understand being in the POE. We should have won by this point, or banana is  exactly scum. 

If you’re willing to go with the plan of whiteflame/wylted/ me, it doesn't matter anyway.

Sounds good to me, seems you are finally seeing my logic lol. This should be a game solve unless mafia get lucky on a hider target guess, or banana is exactly the scum double voter and isnt lying about not losing her double vote at lylo. Again in that case we just blame bullish. 

Okay lets think this through.

We lynch whiteflame today, it confirms mharman, eases everyones doubts that whiteflame is scum, whatever. If hes scum its gg, if not we know mharm is town. 

Scum most likely kill pie or moozer here, they could try and gamble the kill on hitting mharman, but its a big gamble and if they mis, they are more fvcked because we get an extra mislynch, so chances are they just choose pie here, but if not its a win win unless they somehow get extremely lucky and hit the hider and his hide target. 

So next dp is me, wylted, mharm, banana, moozer/pie (depending on who they killed). We lynch wylted. He's scum, gg. Hes town, we basically know its me or banana. Again scum can try and gamble the hider target, but if they are smart just shoot the remaining confirmed town whether its pie or moozer.

Lylo is now me mharm and banana. If it's banana and she wasn't lying about being able to vote in lylo, she wins. That seems busted af to me for mafia, though and at that point I just blame bullish. Mharm is confirmed, so I would have to be scum. 

In my eyes this is a win win for everyone, the only risk involved in this plan is if you think banana is EXACTLY scum double voter AND not lying about not losing her role in LYLO, or if mafia gamble a kill on the hider and get lucky.

Absent of those two things, this plan is basically a game solve. 

Again I don't see that as relevant.

Claiming miller would have been a semi yolo move, not very hard though considering if he was scum he knew there was a godfather and thus not a huge risk in claiming miller. Also consider the fact that my journalist role was basically put in and can only be used to verify an investigater, of which you are the only one.

Basically my role is useless without a cop. So its not just a trifecta, is a quadra of perfect roles that justify each other, two of which we know are true the cop and godfather, meaning its less likely in my eyes that the mod would confirm another player with a miller of all things. 

Also why am I in front of wylted? Purely based on role?

I am okay with whiteflames lynch then since it confirms mharman, and it would be best to have a confirmed townie going into tomorrow. As far as wylted goes, I don't see a strong reason to lynch him other than people being skeptical of his role, it doesn't seemed based on behavior very much. 

I know, I just think I’m town confirmed and yall are baked to think otherwise

Thats EXACTLY the reason why it’s such a good claim though. The perfect trifecta of cop/godfather/miller just seems too good  to be true. I don't see bullish confirming two town like that. But wylted would have known miller was safe before a cop ever claimed, because of the mere existence of a godfather. 

I don't think its a massive risk, thats more mid level. I would consider claiming dreamer before half the living players outed who they visited np1 was is more of a massive risk. Anyways, it was a semi risk, with a huge payout, considering that you are now towning him for it, so hard that you are ignoring your holy policy of lynching all millers because of it lol.

Idk how I’m not off the board already.

If Whiteflame is scum, I’m not, so I’m town.

If he’s town, it means he really did send his roleblock to me and I would’ve had no way of committing the NK last night. Since an NK did happen, that makes me town.

You need to stop trying to steam roll town if you want to be a better player. It shouldn't surprise you that people such as lunatic and mharman would push back against this. I think the last time I mislynched you, I did so intentionally because you were pissing me off by trying to lead town so hard. If you want to lead, them by all means do so, but do it in a collaborative way so we can avoid these egoistic responses that will naturally come from your current style

Your towniness doesn't have much to do with anything, I have town read you since day one, it’s not like anyone is suggesting lynching you. You believing wylted is hard town confirmed really doesn't make sense though, so if you wanna push that when your the likely night kill, and being unwilling to compromise means you'll just die and accomplish nothing with your death. 

Is it common for both of these roles to exist in the same game?

If you wanna play it like that then simply, fvck you. You don't have the pull this game you usually do. So go fvck yourself. If I wanna vote wylted I will vote wylted. 

What is the difference between a hider and a commuter?

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Heres one point I would be willing to consider. If we lynched whiteflame now, we would town confirm mharman. pie likely dies tonight. We still have me wylted and banana in the poe, so I may be willing to make a deal if we lynch whiteflame today we must lynch wylted tomorrow. After that it’s mylo, and we should still have one more try left if for some reason all of those are wrong, which would basically mean scum is either me or banana. 

Strongman does not bypass roleblocker. Strongman only bypasses roles which protect the target.

The only thing I would really get on board with as far as whiteflame goes is that he hasn't really taken a stance yet, but that's not very fair to him either considering he had to go to bed and because of the whole wait to CC thing the day phase was kind of stalled. So I would like to give him until tomorrow to get his thoughts, behaviorally though he just doesn't read scum to me. 

Anyways the one time I am gonna sign off on your lynch all millers policy and your not gonna do it?! What a shame lol

oh hey, if you need any more reason to believe I'm town... I would just guess you were the cop if I were mafia and then I wouldn't go through with all of this

anyway, why is Whiteflame middle of the pack for you?

I’m not so sure.  A miller/ cop/ godfather seems very convienent. And if mafia had a godfather I think it would be safe for them to assume their was a cop, meaning miller was naturally a good claim.

I was actually gonna take you up on your policy to lynch all millers this game since we started of well being able to afford it, and for me Wylted will always be a question going into the end game. I also sensed paranoia from

Him when he mentioned me and Mikal steam rolling the game early on dp1, and sensed it again later when he voted me after it was revealed why Mikal thought he should be town confirmed and his reaction was basically like “this is bullsh1t” which would make sense combined with frustration of having his scum partner just having been CCed just to find out town might have an edge to an external factor, that whole thing read like Wylted was complaining. If he was town I don’t think he would have been frustrated like that.

I felt there was an offchance you were scum and worried I was the cop, and that the cop was somewhere else in the setup and didn't claim it. I would mean that someone had cop on top of their role, but I felt that, although small, it was a large enough chance for me to go with it.

I don't regret doing this minmax with you btw. Pleasure doing business with you Pie.

Moozer seems innocent; you're innocent as well and cop.

Down to lynch Whiteflame this DP then. I guess we should briefly consider if your role was messed with then.\

This is a great point in Wylted's favor too, if anyone is hesitant on him

what could you possibly need to do in the next 10-15 that prevents this. You're already playing mafia rn. 

Sure. midnight for me but whatever

T minus 20 minutes 

I'm down. You down, Pie?

I don’t really care who claims first but I do slightly town read pie more so if it’s a big deal who claims first I’d opt for mharman, but both still need to claim.