ILikePie5

Interesting claim from Banana. Noted. Ok well it’s just Pie and I now. Your turn Pie.

No, I'm not going to just blindly trust you. I know that this is how you play the game, I learned that my first time playing, but even then you claimed to be confirmable.

Look, I townread you, but that's just DP1 behavioral reads. It's not enough for me to blindly trust you. If you and Mhar had agreed to claim at roughly the same time, that would have been fine, but now you're trying to stand on this hill of claiming last which honestly makes me want you to claim first.

You are objectively the scummiest one reminding lol. It’s not even close.

I don’t think anyone here would. I think That2 did that without consulting her teammate

Let’s get Pie to go first between he, Banana and I. If his claim is good I might consider having Banana claim before me, since he really wants Banana to claim… but if you really want me to claim before Banana, that’s fine.

If you need a reason to trust me not going first, will again say that I was considering fullclaiming last DP, and you’ll see what I mean when I do claim

If you can give a reason to go last based on your role, that would be fine, but it looks like you just want to go last for the sake of it. If you don't tell us why that just makes you look suspicious.

Yeah if we’re mass claiming I want Pie to go first. He’s the guy who suggested it

VTL Pie

Full claim or die. I’ll go right after you, we can save Banana for last

This is a genuine question, is there a reason you haven't claimed yet? 

So, what was the way in which you could confirm Mikal was town?

Interesting I also targeted mharman last night. Maybe we should full claim everyone today. 

I mean if she did this as town this is actually beyond fucking wild. She has to die and there is no world where I don’t lynch her. I’m just stuck trying to find the motivation and the only logical motivation is theme related unless they are just fake claiming to fake claim and in that case, this is some superdud level of play 

But why fake claim lmao. I mean the flip will probably tell us the theme 

But the fact she was willing to off whiteflame makes me read him as town unless they were trying to create a divide between them. Just so fucking odd and such a bad choice 

I think it's funny that we're not even reading whether that2 is town or scum anymore; we're just theory crafting why the hell she did this lol

So a few notes. I have 0 idea why he would fake claim a character. Either bullish fucked up or is doing bastard shit or pie actually ironically nailed the theme with stealth vs non stealth. 

I am cc’ing this. I’m the mig 21 

Also he didn’t have to role claim in general. The pressure on him was for character claim, the fact that he in good faith full claimed looks even better for him. As mafia he just bides his time and full claims after he’s narrowed down more claims and reduced the risk of CC more. The move he made just doesn’t make sense from a scum Whiteflame perspective unless he is specifically banking on the wifom argument I’m making now to save him, and that’s a lot of risk to hedge his game on for no reason. Whiteflame isn’t beyond taking risks, but I don’t think he takes dumb risks that have a high probability of failure when he could easily just play this a million better ways.

You are making it out like he could fake claim anything and have it be better than JOAT. I am disagreeing so hard with this. I’m agreeing it’s his role. Why risk a CC when you could claim your actual character and role for a lot of reasons. No one will know the theme so the character won’t appear scummy and JOAT can’t be dual sided so seeming a little scummy in a role claim is better than risking a cc 

Even then, there’s a ton of good roles even on the “both scum and town list” and JOAT is probably the scummiest thing he could have claimed, why would he do that over literally any of the other options? 

It's possible I just don't see it as being extremely likely knowing whiteflame, also having played scum succesfully with him a few times recently and witnessing different behavior from him. Small chance I am wrong here, but for now he's not someone I'd consider lynching unless his behavior started standing out. 

What does 5 time mean

Bigger list, means less chance of him getting caught on a more "townie" sounding role though. Again he didn't have to claim, I dont think anyone was pushing for his role, just character. There's a ton of more townie sounding roles on that list than JOAT, and I don't think chances are super high he would get CC'ed by most of them. Maybe with cop or doctor, assuming you don't think bullish randomized it like he said.

I said I was not a stealth jet.

That's my point though, theres a list of roles that can "Only be town" "only be scum" and "Could be both". Why not just claim from the "can only be town" list? I mean you can say he is doing to for wifom reasoning, but he didn't have to purposely claim a scummy role from the non distinct list for literally no reason. Scum whiteflame could have made just about any of the town claims work, so why purposely shoot himself in the foot. If the only answer is wifom manipulation, I don't think that's a strong enough reason to suspect him when that same wifom reasoning is just as likely to work against him

BTW I totally forgot this is an open set up, JOAT was on the list. Doesn't confirm anything just throwing it out there, he had a million things he could have claimed on this list, and chose to pick a role thats naturally scummy, over picking a role thats on the "ONLY TOWN" list. Again wifom, but if hes scum then hes hedging on us buying that wifom, which is definitely not the "safe" choice. 

This just reaffirms my townread on whiteflame even more actually. 

Pie – The way he said he was going to sheep me and then immediately unvoted before launching into an analysis of theme seems dumb—and I don’t usually consider Pie a dumb player.

Trying to dig into niche theme splits on Day 1 reads as fluff. It looks like he's trying to get people to lock into soft claims and then use that to steer mislynches later based on weak theme reads.

Whiteflame’s claim is… interesting. A little sus imo

F-16 lol. Clever