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Drafter - Will die tomorrow night and if he doesn’t he’s scum. We can afford to mislynch twice and still be 3-2 where we would lynch him.
No reason why we should lynch him.
I would like characters from Warren and Coal
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@Vader
So I was right about Chris. I did say character wise I feel that Chris and oromagi were my top two suspects. At first I was going to question Mikal for trying to draw away the lynch onto Pie, but he is town.I will await oromagi and who he motivated
If Oro did motivate Whiteflame and Whiteflame can confirm, then Oro is likely town. Only other scenario I can see is Oro is scum motivator or both Oro and WF are scum which is unlikely anyways cause WF is basically confirmed.
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So the theme is probably Protagonists that are actually shitty vs Antagonists that actually have a point.
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@Reece101
I’ll play. First time playing though.
Welcome to DART Forum Mafia, we’re glad to have you! If you have any questions please feel free to ask me questions before the game starts and to Chris once the game starts!
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@Elminster
Everytime I've looked back you agreed with me that negan was a great miller claim
Yes it made sense with the Protagonist vs Antagonist theme, but I never stopped considering him. He was always on my list.
You didn't mention the redirector part of his paraphrase at all. Bro literally has "he redirects people" word for word I'm his paraphrase
I didn’t notice it?
I'm not derailing a lynch. I want to lynch someone that's not town
This is the second time you’re doing this.
You seemed to be zoned in on a theme that no one else saw. Literally everyone else saw good vs bad. You were the line person who kept trying to sell it as a"Pervert" theme - as magneto btw
What? Literally everyone said they had a character who’s actions were justified - that’s literally synonymous with perverted.
Then go off on a theme split about movies and films. I really think you were trying to muddy the dp
It was a theory just like the Protagonist vs Antagonist was a theory. You nor I know what the theme is. You seem to believe it is Protagonist vs Antagonist. Chris is literally a protagonist. And he literally is good in his justification by giving gifts as “Santa”
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@Elminster
It's more than that. You initially have a lot of pressure on millers early on. And you didn't have him on your poe list. I was baiting you into your knowledge of negan and every time I brought it up you said.Yeah makes perfect sense as millerOr looks really good for supaYou didn't even entertain it
Bruh literally read the DP. Supa has been on my list literally the entire day. I’ve always said I’m willing to lynch between Warren, Oro, Chris, Polar, and Supa.
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@oromagi
role madness mostly precludes considerations of balance and odds, no?
When I do my games I don’t preclude those considerations lol. I don’t put in roles that can cause LYLO after DP1 and NP1 and I put more roles than Lunatic does lol
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@Elminster
But pie trying to rush the lynch in Chris makes me want him more. Not even a thought about role madness or lunatic always putting roles that are considered "town " roles or "scum" roles as ways to fuck with us. He's did it on every live mafia game for weeks.
I thought it was you who said we should be lynching because it’s Town’s primary utility. Now you’re trying to derail this lynch and cause a no lynch. I don’t know if you know this my definition of Role Madness is that there are no vanillas. All of Lunatic’s games have had Vanillas.
We've had popular scumHe's let scum fake claim doc and cop (no fc here though)Town sided role blockerTown sided role copMafia stalkerI do not put weird role confirmations past him and I think it would at least cross your mind.
I don’t have a problem with that. The problem here is Chris’s role combined with Oro’s role. That’s the biggest problem I see. Chris’s justification isn’t even the fact that he’s an asshole. He’s literally giving gifts as Santa lol. That’s as positive as it can get. Not to mention Grinch is probably a protagonist as well.
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@Elminster
You didn't support policy lynching him. I even questioned you in detail about that for that exact reason. I even waited the entire dp to give you a chance to do that
I’ve literally including Supa in my lynch list. I’ve always said Miller’s should be policy lynched unless there are alternatives. Mister Chris is an alternative. My policy with regards to policy lynching is just that.
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@oromagi
keep in mind that mafiawiki say my ROLE is not seen outside of ROLE MADNESS. odds are off the table. The fact that you still don't think its role madness is one of my top scum tell on you.MILLER and VANILLA are more sus claims than MIMIC as far as I'm concerned.
Almost all of Lunatic’s games are role madness using Bullish’s definition lol. I never said I don’t think it’s rolemadness.
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@Elminster
I still think you are scum and supa slipped with the negan paraphrase. He literally wrote misdirector in the actual paraphrase. You were as fast as me to catch on to speed saying groups of "people"
I was faster than you lol.
But totally didn't even think to bring that up. I wanted to see if you would even hint at it. I think you helped him with the yolo miller claim and hoped no one would cc.
So I as scum helped my partner claim a role that I was gonna support policy lynching in the future anyways? That makes no sense lol.
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@Elminster
Do you actually thinkA motivator and mimic can't exist ?
The odds of that are sooooo low. Lunatic to my knowledge has never used a Mimic in a game. Have you considered Chris’s character being a protagonist? Him mimicking Santa by giving gifts? Like what lol.
With the potential of drafters vig and a mimic in the game. It's quite easy for town to hurt themselves. Also I think Chris is telling the truth and there is another use of his role that I hope he thinks of
If he’s telling the truth
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@Elminster
I actually want to lynch pie.It prob won't happen
It shouldn’t happen. There’s no way there are 3 Vigilante shots or 3 Cop investigations lol
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@Elminster
Bro where did wf claim bomb ffs
He didn’t. Oro did that Mafia would think Oro is actually the bomb and not target him with the NK.
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@Elminster
Unvote
Vtl pie
Now I want to lynch pie even more. I still think I could be right about supa. I think this wagon can be scummy and very likely 2 scum are on it
Either Oro or Chris are scum. 3 possible Vigilante kills or 3 possible Cop investigations. 2 still I’d understand but 3? That just makes no sense.
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@Elminster
Does anyone have drafters sheet ?
You are the MIMIC. Once per game you may visit another player. You will permanently gain the role of that player, replacing this one. Your affiliation will remain unchanged.
It’s not affiliation indicative. Either Oro or Chris are scum.
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@MisterChris
If WF dies or gets roleblocked that ultimately just implicates me more. You can lynch me if that happens. I would rather take that risk that this happens than be a mislynch this DP.BTW mimic is not automatic scum role.As for possibility of Godfather, I could say this about anyone who turns up innocent under COP investigation. If we frame it like this, we should disregard all COP results. What is more likely if I flip innocent:
- I'm any one of the multitude of roles which would make me town.
- I am the singular role that yields town when actually scum.
If you’re not scum, Oro has to be just based on a balance argument. Why is your vote not on Oro?
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@Speedrace
Never seen a scum motivator
Doesn’t mean it’s not possible. Plus you have to account for the fact that if he’s lying about the person who he chooses to motivate also has to be lying so either both of them are scum or only Oro.
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@MisterChris
Losing a free COP is not a loss?
A.) I refuse to believe there can be 3 possible investigations in one night
B.) There are countless ways your action can be prevented
C.) Your role is scummy af
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@Speedrace
By...motivating someone?
It’s not affiliation indicative. It’s just role locking if someone can confirm he is the motivator.
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@Speedrace
WF could die, he could get roleblocked, you could be lawyered, or you could be a godfather. So noAlso mimic is a scum role lol
I’m confident either Chris or Oro is scum, let’s lynch Chris because Oro can technically confirm his role but not affiliation. Chris cannot do either.
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@drafterman
@Elminster
Let’s lynch Chris. A Motivator and Mimic would give town 3 possible Cop investigations in one night. One of them has to be scum. Oro Can at least confirm his role, Chris cannot.
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@MisterChris
If I'm lynched town will suffer.I am a MIMIC. My justification for being a MIMIC is that the Grinch impersonated Santa to steal the Christmas presents & decorations. I was planning on mimicking WF to give town 2 COP roles.
I don’t believe this one bit. A motivator and a mimic? Definitely does not make sense. And how does it fit this sentiment you gave:
There's another reason to do this too. Lynching me will hurt town a lot because of my role. It's better for WF to clear me so we don't mislynch.
In this it seemed like you were soft claiming a Doctor or a Tracker or something. A Mimic isn’t even close.
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@oromagi
OP=overpowered
Yes I realize that, but what does it mean in the context of a mafia game?
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@oromagi
like I say, I am guessing an OP game. You don't think its an OP game so you dont have an OP role or you are scum. We already have a MILLER and VANILLA which doesn't leave a lot of room for less powerful roles on TOWN side if the game is OP.
What does OP even mean lol. I don’t believe that Lunatic would put in roles that could bring us to LYLO in one DP and one NP. So either you’re lying or Drafter’s lying from my PoV
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@oromagi
Lunatic specifically warned me to be wary of motivating the NK in the PM.
If this is true then that’s an automatic sus on Drafter. A motivator that can create 2 NKs and a Vigilante shot? That’s way too much.
Behaviorally, you are my top scum read. Because you sus'd draft's OP claim you are either not OP yourself or scum. Apply Sup's law, you are scum.
I definitely sus it now if you’re telling the truth about being the motivator cause I don’t see a world where there is a motivator that can give 2 NKs and a Vig.
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@oromagi
My role is MOTIVATOR. My PM is long, justifying Johnny's anger at LaRusso because Daniel stole his girlfriend and Mr Miyagi almost killed me but that didn't stop me from rebuilding Cobra Kai and it is in this role as an instructor that my motivation of others is justified.I locked in this claim on my first post of the game with a fake YouTube link, which when reversed takes us to a YouTube video of a very entertaining song called "Mr Motivator"So, that's me claiming MOTIVATOR in POST #47
Interesting. Have you asked Lunatic whether your role can grant a second NK?
And what are your reads right now.
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@Vader
Well depending on what version of the Grinch, it could either be TV or Movie
He specifically mentioned the movie How the Grinch Stole Christmas lol
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@Vader
Yes, but what is so inverse about movies and tv shows in a regular game where you can tell the difference between scum and town based on that besides evidence. There is nothing opposite of these two to justify Movies vs TV as inverse
The characters and roles are connected through inverse reality with the justifications. The thematic split is different than the theme. My theme was House of Reps but the thematic split was 3 oldest members of House vs everyone else.
All of this is redundant though cause you’re voting Oro who as a TV show which is affiliated with my theory lol
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@Vader
Fair point. I just feel that this lynch from you isn't genuinely about the current theme, as it is testing your theme theory, which I have disproven.
It isn’t though lol. If I was trying to test my theory I’d lynch Warren, you, or Oro, cause y’all have connections to TV shows.
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@Vader
Versus a theme of antag v protag, it could would make the most logical sense for theme to be Protag v Antag in the IDEAL game of mafia. But this is Inverse Reality, meaning the reverse reality.
Sure, I’m in agreeable that the theme could be Protagonist vs Antagonist. Lynching Chris or Oro would give us more information about this.
tldr; the theme Pie is saying too vague and not different enough to contrast each other to make the theme very obvious and his theme does not relate to the title of the game and it's inversity
Movies vs TV shows is an obvious split. Lunstic when he invited me specifically distinguished the theme and thematic split.
I get that, but in my honest opinion, it seems like your lynching Chris because it's most likely that you wanna "test" your theory versus his claim itself
What? If I wanted to test my theory I’d be on Oro cause he has a show connection at least lol.
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@Vader
Yes but you are lynching Chris off the fact that you want to test your theory versus what the consensus is saying what the theme split is. I want to know why behaviorally you are voting for Chris. I may have missed it, so if I did, please link
I’m voting Chris based on the consensus theme of protagonist vs antagonist. The Grinch arguably is the protagonist of the movie especially considering the movie is named after him. Keep in mind that Chris did confess that he believed his character was a protagonist to get me off of Oro. I don’t see you voting Oro based on behavior lol, so why are you asking me about my vote on Chris cause of his behavior?
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@Vader
I am catching up and right now my top 3 suspects are Chris, oromagi, and Pie. If Chris and oromagi are town, I will scum read Pie. For now I am going to analyze the two claims.
Good at least you have 2 of the people I’m willing to lynch in your list.
Chris and oromagi's claims worry me. Oromagi's claim is unlike Speed, as the Antag of KK is the protag if CK. There has not been anyone who has claimed a movie ---> show in this game. This is the oddity
I got tired of saying this to Oro.
Chris's character to me can not be justified with his action. I think most peoples PMs are structured as "I did a shit thing, but blah blah justification for the shit thing. For the Grinch, how do you justify his actions. There is no way you can.
Haven’t watched the Grinch so can’t comment. I’ve said I’m willing to lynch Chris because of the fact that the Grinch could be a protagonist. Combine that with Oro’s weird protagonist antagonist character, if one is scum the other is likely scum.
With Pie, I have him behaviorally as scum. The activity thing is one, but the other reasons is his SUDDEN shift of the theme in DP1. He has no evidence besides claims, and I even say that is flawed if scum were to have already fake claimed.
Why would you fake claim your show when you can just claim the antagonist/villain from it, which is what the working theory was for most of the game until I came up with another theory. Either way it doesn’t matter. We need concrete information for further thematic analysis tomorrow.
He seems to be set on testing his hypothesis on DP1 and using that on someone who doesn't fit the theme. This drastic shift led him from going to Speed, to going to Chris and now Oromagi. While I don't think he is wrong, he could be leading a mislynch based on his own reasons. In fact he is quoted saying he'd lynch Chris to test his theory. In actuality, I think Pie is more behaviorally scum.
I came to my theme after various claims were revealed and no one dug deeper when I briefly mentioned it earlier. And my vote is on Chris not Oro, though I’m willing to lynch him too because it likely indicates Chris’s affiliation.
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@Vader
Why do you insist on changing the theme split of only a theory and basing a lynch on a theory that may or may not be true. It seems like you are trying to shift the theme to cover up for your scum buddies.
To the contrary. There’s my theory with Movies vs TV shows and then there’s the protagonist vs antagonist. How exactly am I covering for my buddies.
Also the Grinch is a movie, so your theory would be wrong. You first targetted Speed for not fitting the claim, and now you want to push a lynch off a theory? It seems like you are looking to draw a mislynch
Yes which is what makes it a theory. But at the same time another theory that we had as a town would likely be correct. As for Speed he fits the antagonist theory and the movie theory, so as of now he’s in the clear. I’ve already said I’m willing to lynch any of Polar, Chris, Oro, Warren, and you to get information going into tomorrow for better theme analysis. Who are you going to vote for because I’m not an option with less than 12 hours left with 2/3s of it being probably with zero activity cause sleep.
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@MisterChris
If anyone I'd pick Oro, since lynching Oro could help confirm the split. Again though, investigating me would do the same.
So do you plan on voting him or are you willing to no lynch today?
Close second is Drafter. His activity so far hasn't been his usual town meta. Although I've been known to go from aggressive to zen from time to time.
So you don’t believe the Vig + BP claim and the fact that he’s going to die NP3?
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@MisterChris
I'm interested in hearing more from Warren and Drafterman. Can't say I scumread anyone in particular... lots of nulls. I will say Speed is looking more town to me now, and tbh I don't think Supa would claim Miller as scum so soon.
Who are you willing to lynch at the moment. Just a list of names will suffice
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@MisterChris
Who do you scumread and who do you townread?
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@MisterChris
There's another reason to do this too. Lynching me will hurt town a lot because of my role. It's better for WF to clear me so we don't mislynch.
Bruh really? You just hinted at a power role. 🤦♂️
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@MisterChris
If you want to specifically have Whiteflame investigate me, I'm ok with that.
Whiteflame can investigate whoever he wants.
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@warren42
Don’t have much haven’t caught up, oro was taking a long time without checking in despite being on the site which is meh
Ok. Is your character a protagonist or an antagonist?
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@warren42
What are your thoughts on Chris and Oro
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@warren42
I’m not from a movie, I’m from Game of Thrones, and I claimed as much within the first three pages. Dumb question.
Ik you did lol
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If Chris or Oro flip scum, the other is likely scum too just based on the their characters and ambiguity between Protagonist and Antagonist.
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@Speedrace
Think for a hot second
It’s cold and everyone knows it’s cold tho
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