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@oromagi
game of thrones- why wouldn't you know that?
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@warren42
Hey fellas I forgot this existed AMA
What movie are you from?
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@drafterman
A bit of a polarizing user sometimes, but prone to boughts of some impressive insight from time to time.
I see what you did there xD
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@whiteflame
@Speedrace
Who do yāall want to lynch today?
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@Elminster
I always have a weird vibe with yywSo I think Chris's flip helps give us a poe with him as well. I'm surprised he really hasn't pressured drafter for backseating but goes after chris who is a much easier target.ĀTo me drafter sticks out more than ChrisĀHe's usually more vocal about what he thinks and he's just been very agreeable with what people are assuming about the theme and not engaging as much as he normally does.Ā
Iām willing to go after Chris cause if my theory is true a scum could be between YYW and Chris with either Oro, Supa, or Warren as two of their accomplices. Thatās per my theory of course and assuming scum would fake claim from their own show up until Chris and YYW when I revealed my theory.
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@MisterChris
If this is the case, why should we base the entire theme split on it? I feel like with the characters we've got, it doesn't make a lot of sense to be so rigid. if we WANT to be rigid, we should target Speed if anyone, although I don't think he's scum rn.Ā
Youāre an outlier here. Just because your character doesnāt confirm doesnāt mean the theory is wrong, rather you could be fake claiming
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@Vader
This was inaccurate and Oromagi showed you that it was inaccurate. In his first post in #47, he said that his show was Karate Kid/Cobra Kai
How is it inaccurate. The character is the same but he switches from being the Antagonist in the Karate Kid movie to being the Protagonist in the Cobra Kai TV show.
Well the Wiki labels him as antagonist, but he returns the gifts thus making him the protag. But not til the last 2 minutes
No offense but donāt think you know the difference between a protagonist and antagonist lol
My concern is how tf do you justify the Grinch's behavior. My pm says the bad shit, the justifiction of the bad shit, and then the turn. How do you jusitfy the Grinch just stealing presents and fucking with people? I don't get it
Well youāre the Miller. Youāre supposed to be in between scum and town. Town is full of antagonists. Your character is know for being the Antagonist but then he becomes a protagonist during the Whisperer Arc.
And with Chris being inactive and barely skimming DP, I know we discussed the PM's and how the bad was justified. It seems like to claim he didn't read that part and thought of a basic claim that everyone would know about good turning bad
Itās very possible as I mentioned earlier. I still donāt understand how Oro is claiming to be a character like Harry Osbone and saying Spider Man 1 and Spider Man 3. Harry is completely different in each minor protagonist in first and antagonist in latter
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@Vader
I actually start to scum read Pie a bit more for this. To change the conversation of a theme that town itself decided as true is sketchy.
Who said I changed it lol, Iām just theorizing. Oro is the one being defensive about it especially when heās harping me about only putting Cobra Kai when on his list he only put Karate Kid long before.
If youāre saying that the theme is Protagonist vs Antagonist, Oroās role is literally a Protagonist in Cobra Kai lol.Ā
I also am sketchy of MisterChris's claim. While the Grinch does turn good, I also think it could be an easy fake claim for someone who wasn't paying attention. Also my PM states that my character did bad things, but then justifies the actions, then states I turned positive. How would justify the Grinch's action before turning good? He was just a fucking dickĀ
It says he was an antagonist in the Wiki. Could be scum though if retards are writing the wiki. This is why I fuckin hate English dude. Itās so subjective based on the perspective at times. Either way I would wager thereās at least 2 scum between Oro, Warren, Polar, and Chris.
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@Vader
This would throw a dent into the entirety of Pie's theory since there would be Movies v TV Shows, but you are a combination of the two, so how would that be possible for theme split. If everyone is either movie or tv then you would have a character matches both, but in a different series. That would make no sense. I am going to ignore Pie's theme split theorizing
Thatās exactly what Iām saying. Forget about my theme for a second and letās go to what we had before: Protagonists vs Antagonists. Oro claimed Johnny Lawrence thatās a Protagonist in Cobra Kai. Heās also claiming Karate Kid though where he was an antagonist. How in Neptune does this make sense
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@Vader
Right now I have a slight lean scum on Pie. He's being more active, which means he's either a PR or Scum
I thought we got rid of that a long time ago lol. I remember me being inactive af in a recent game where I was mafia lol. But go right ahead
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@oromagi
Again, read the first sentence I wrote in this game.Ā
Sure you said your show was Karate Kid/Cobra Kai. By saying show youāre saying itās exclusively Cobra Kai right?Ā
Also, POST#540- "TUF specifically mentions both the tv show and the movie."
Wth are you even talking about? How is this even related?
So you edited my movie and tv show claim to just tv show? That doesn't make any sense. If you really thought I was trying to play both sides you would highlight the fact that I was the only one claiming both (at that time). But you did the opposite, you edited the film claim out to make 3 neat TV claims- as in 3 scum.So that's another falsehood- that's obviously not what you were thinking.Ā Want to try again?
Lol, it wasnt be who was backtracking it was you. You were the one who just put Karate Kid next to your name after claiming your show was Karate Kid/Cobra Kai in post 371. Whyād you do that? If you could do that why couldnāt I just put your show?Ā
POST #138"I think that's interesting because my character is definitely a more 'shades of grey' character and TUF invested a lot of text in spelling out that complexity."
Its a simple yes or no question. Does your PM mention things from both Karate Kid and Cobra Kai or just one of them?
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@oromagi
Another false accusation.Ā The first thing I typed in this game was that I am both Karate Kid/Cobra Kai- which you have just agreed makes me both, which you have failed to note I've been saying all along.
Itās factually correct that Johnny Lawrence was the antagonist in Karate Kid and is the protagonist in Cobra Kai. Which Johnny are you? You canāt be both cause you seem to believe that itās protagonist vs antagonistĀ
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@oromagi
Another false accusation.Ā The first thing I typed in this game was that I am both Karate Kid/Cobra Kai- which you have just agreed makes me both, which you have failed to note I've been saying all along.
If youāre Johnny Lawrence you physically canāt be. Heās an antagonist in one and protagonist in the other. Which one is in your PM?
Why do you keep making shit up about me?Ā Why won't you answer the question that started this?
I already have. Read.
Why did you edit out my claim to be both FIlm and TV?Ā What were you thinking?Ā What advantage did you hope to gain?
It fits with my thematic theory that you could be from a TV show. I thought you were tryin to play both sides of the game by claiming a tv show and a movie. This whole dilemma has a simple solution. Wtf is in your PM.
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@coal
Chris, yes.Oro, no.Ā Johnny Lawrence is the antagonist in Karate Kid, not the protagonist.Ā I have seen every one of those movies and Cobra Kai.Ā Ā
Correct he is the antagonist in Karate Kid but not in Cobra Kai (heās the protagonist in that one). Oro has yet to clarify which Johnny is featured in his PM.
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@oromagi
Readers will note that PieĀ stillĀ hasn't answered the direct question that made him freak out and start accusing me.
I did, you can go and read if you want.
Why did Pie change me from Film+TV to TV only when making a case for Film vs TV?
Cause youāre still from the TV show.
Why did Pie freak out instead of simply acknowledging the error?
I didnāt freak out. You still havenāt answered my questions while claiming I havenāt answered yours when I have. Does your PM talk about Johnny Lawrence as a protagonist or an antagonist?
What does Pie think of his Film vs. TV theory now that The Grinch is on the table.
Still stands. Grinch is an antagonist per your own Wiki lol
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@MisterChris
I'm the Grinch from How the Grinch Stole Christmas. My character sneaks into the Who's homes to steal from them, yet my hatred for the Whos is warranted because they treated me with contempt for being different. I also have a point when I say their Christmas is just being about material things.Ā
Says in the Wiki that youāre an antagonist as well. Help me pressure Oro.
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but that's not inverted.Ā Inverse reality would be scum=protagonists, no?
So youāre scum right? Or did you change your theory already?
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Iām willing to lynch Chris or Oro because they both claim theyāre protagonists.
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@MisterChris
OK if this is the case, I'm a town antihero too. I'm a villain that had a point, but is a protagonist under this definition. Frankly I just thought that anybody who was "Evil" was automatically an antagonist.Ā
You clearly havenāt been paying attention in English class Ā šš.
Whoās your character.
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@oromagi
That's changing the subjectĀ againĀ and that's not what you believed one hour ago when you edited out my Karate Kid claim in post#518.
You edited out Cobra Kai in your own one lol.Ā
Ā IF you thought that Film+TV was scummyĀ thenĀ you would have said so and preserved my Film+TV claim.Ā Ā
Itās scummy either way lol. The fact you could be a TV show in itself puts you in the pile. You can get exonerated. Just say whether itās the TV show or the Movie thats in your PM.
Instead, you claimed that TV only was scummy and modified my claim to TV only only to change your mind now (apparently as some kind of defense)
I never said this lol. You were piping me about how I didnāt include Karate Kid in mine, but then you in your own list donāt put Cobra Kai. Thatās hypocrisy lol.
So, you still need to explain what you were thinking when you modified my claim.
I already did. The fact you have connections to a TV show puts you in that category.
Apparently you haven't read any of my posts because I have already discussed the dual shades of grade nature of my character and noted that TUF invested some energy in writing my character's defense.So, we have youVTL'ing me without reading any of my posts,modifying my claims to make me appear less townDodging my simple, direct question like Pee Wee Reese
It literally says in the Wiki that your character is an antagonist in Karate Kid but a protagonist in Cobra Kai. The fact that your character is āgreyā has does not exonerate you from the fact that youāre a protagonist in Cobra Kai.
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@oromagi
(long pause while Pie consults the scum PM)
This aged well
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@coal
@drafterman
@Vader
@Speedrace
@Elminster
Oro is literally a protagonist...
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@oromagi
(long pause while Pie consults the scum PM)
You said something?
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@Lunatic
@oromagi
I asked you first and I have the moral high ground- removing evidence that corresponds to town is a scum move for sho.My first post of the game was POST#47
Having both a movie and a tv show is scummy. I already explained that it was scummy to have both their when a person claimed a tv show and a movie prior. Iām willing to lynch you because of my theory and have said as much. No other character has a prominent TV show and a movie.
The character claim was locked in here. Coal has figured out and has already said so.TUF specifically mentions both the tv show and the movie. What advantage did you hope the gain by editing that corroboration out?
So you are Johnny Lawrence. Interesting to see that he was the central antagonist in Karate Kid but an anti-heroic PROTAGONISTĀ in Cobra Kai. So which is it?
Unvote VTL Oro
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@oromagi
I was just looking for the post where draft claimed movie. (see #533) can give me post#?
Now you plan on answering my questions?
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@oromagi
fix'dTOWNoromagi Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā (karate kid)
So why didnāt you put Cobra Kai here as well?
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@oromagi
Don't change the subject.Ā You came up with a theory of tv show vs film,Ā then edited out my made-early-and-oft-repeated film claim....apparently to increase suspicion on me.I would like to know your thought process when you modified my claim in order to fit your theory.
Iāll tell you my thought process when you claim your character and tell me whether the stuff in your justification mentions stuff from Karate Kid or Cobra Kai. Cause it seems to me you were trying to play both sides after Warren claimed a TV show and Drafter claimed movie
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Cobra Kai or Karate Kid would make sense as a Mafia Ninja role
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@oromagi
I note you removed my Karate Kid claim in spite of consistently claiming Karate Kid from early on.Ā Why did you do that?
You claimed Karate Kid/Cobra Kai. Which one is mentioned in your PM?Ā
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@MisterChris
Let's just say that it's a holiday movie and leave it at that.Ā
Harry or Marv?
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Low key the theme may just be Characters in Movies vs Characters in TV Shows with each character basically being an asshole and their actions justified to fit the inverse reality stuff.
Supa - Negan - Miller - TV Show (The Walking Dead)***
Oro - ____ - ____ - TV Show (Cobra Kai)
Warren - ____ - ____ - TV Show (Game of Thrones)
Pie - Magneto - ____ - Movie (X-Men)
WF - Lt. Harris - Cop - Movie (Police Academy)
Drafter - ____ - ____ - Movie (???)
GP - Omegol - Hider - Movie (Lord of the Rings)
Speed - Hyenas - Vanilla - Movie (Lion King)
Elm - Wicked Witch - ____ - Movie (Wizard of Oz)
Chris - ____ - ____ - Movie (Holidays)
Polar - ____ - ____ - Movie (???)
***Thereās plans to make a Walking Dead movie
Iām willing to lynch anyone in between Chris, Polar, Oro, and Warren. Supa to a lower extent.
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@coal
I don't have a problem disclosing whether my character appears in a movie or a TV show, though I fail to see any utility in doing so.Ā No facts so far suggest that the TV/movie distinction matters.Ā
Humor me afte Chris says it
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@coal
Do you plan on saying whether youāre from a movie or tv show after Chris does?
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@Greyparrot
Whats the justification for killing Chris?
Coal wants to know something from him. I wanna know if heās from a movie or tv show
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@Greyparrot
Whats the justification for killing Chris?
Coal wants to know something from him. I wanna know if heās from a movie or tv show
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@Greyparrot
@coal
@Vader
@whiteflame
@Elminster
Low key the theme may just be Characters in Movies vs Characters in TV Shows with each character basically being an asshole and their actions justified to fit the inverse reality stuff.
Supa - Negan - Miller - TV Show (The Walking Dead)***
Oro - ____ - ____ - TV Show (Cobra Kai)
Warren - ____ - ____ - TV Show (Game of Thrones)
Pie - Magneto - ____ - Movie (X-Men)
WF - Lt. Harris - Cop - Movie (Police Academy)
Drafter - ____ - ____ - Movie (???)
GP - Omegol - Hider - Movie (Lord of the Rings)
Speed - Hyenas - Vanilla - Movie (Lion King)
Elm - Wicked Witch - ____ - Movie (Wizard of Oz)
***Thereās plans to make a Walking Dead movie
MisterChris
Coal
Supa - Negan - Miller - TV Show (The Walking Dead)***
Oro - ____ - ____ - TV Show (Cobra Kai)
Warren - ____ - ____ - TV Show (Game of Thrones)
Pie - Magneto - ____ - Movie (X-Men)
WF - Lt. Harris - Cop - Movie (Police Academy)
Drafter - ____ - ____ - Movie (???)
GP - Omegol - Hider - Movie (Lord of the Rings)
Speed - Hyenas - Vanilla - Movie (Lion King)
Elm - Wicked Witch - ____ - Movie (Wizard of Oz)
***Thereās plans to make a Walking Dead movie
MisterChris
Coal
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@Lunatic
@coal
Let's not try to walk and chew gum at the same time for the moment.Ā Read over the posts I have written that mention Chris.Ā That should clear things up.ĀWarren's time may come.Ā But for the moment, it's Chris's time in the sun.Ā Ā
Fine then. Chris then Warren
Unvote VTL Chris
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@coal
Right now,Ā MisterChris is who I want to hear more from.He has been hiding in the shadows.Ā It's time to step into the light.Ā
Why Chris over Warren? Warren has been 10x more inactive than Chris.
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@Elminster
Most folks saw an obvious theme split once they saw Supa + GP post, but not you:
I posted in the middle of work, and yes, I didn't have a chance to give it much in the way of thought beyond "TV and movie characters"
You know the show but not the character so you are a TV show and probably a long running one with lots of character changes, I suppose.
I honestly haven't watched this one before, but that may be the case.
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The description doesnāt include a year, but it is specific to Police Academy and not to its sequels, so that should refer to the 1984 movie.
Thoughts?
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@whiteflame
Just to confirm, youāre the Lt. Harris from the 1984 movie right?
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There are three options for Speedās character
1.) He is in fact The Hyenas
Maybe Speed claimed his actual role here even when he didnāt have to. If heās The Hyenas heās scum or a Town JOAT based on Lunaticās game with group characters. Heās not the Town JOAT so heās scum. The fact he was claiming multiple people would be SOP ig
2.) He is Scar
His real role is Scar but he has to claim another character because heās afraid that saying Scar would help with the thematical analysis of the game. He couldnāt claim a positive role cause Supaās character was negative
3.) He is a protagonist from Lion King
He definitely wouldnāt have claimed this. So he was forced to choose villains. He couldāve picked Scar or Hyenas or any other villain.
The main problem here is the PM justification which definitely does not fit in any way with my role. Thereās so much Lunatic couldāve talked about especially considering there are 3 Hyenas but his PM is short as hell. Plus look at the whole starving thing. He back tracked on that so hard.
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@Speedrace
Wth does your PM say dude. Put everything paraphrased
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@Elminster
The part about starving and being exiled ?
Thatās what Iāve been saying. He backtracked that part so hard. Heās trying to different between whatās in his role PM and justification supposedly.
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1. We know that Lunatic has put in multiple entity characters in his games before according to drafter's recollection, which I verified to be to be true. Which means this wasn't a 1/2 minded attempt to fake claim
I already talked about this. In the game Drafter refers to, the 2 scum had group roles. The only townie that had a group role was the JOAT. Speed isnāt the JOAT here.
2. We know the risk of claiming a character that is an outlier that could be scum read. Speed admitted to this in the first post he made, suggesting he knew his character was an outlier and wanted to claim it in the same way an SOP claims due to the oddity
Whereād he say he was doing that for SOP? How would he have known it was an outlier at the time?
3. I do not think that Lunatic bastard modded the game to where there would be 2 characters from the same form of entertainment that are on opposite teams. The theme and characters are so vague and unknown, to have the same show for opposite teams would be considered bastard in my opinion for this type of game, where the characters are too vague to resort 2+ characters from the same show
Sure. That doesnāt go away from the fact that Speed could just be claiming his actual character. Or maybe heās Scar and decided to fake claim Hyenas from the get go.
3a. The more ideal thing for Speed to do is claim Scar, as it will draw less suspicion to his character, hence making it easier for him
To do that heād have to know the theme which he didnāt know. Soft claiming his actual role in an easy theme would probably be suicide. He couldnāt have know the theme from just the Miller claiming anyways.
3b. I personally think Speed did not look back 1 and 1/2 years into mafia within 6 minutes of the DP starting just to see if group entities are in the game so he could claim did this.
Doesnāt mean anything. The reason why heās sus if the justification heās giving, which is not even close
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