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@Elminster
There is enough fuckery between this interaction that I can't shake this.
All of this can be solved if Danielle or GP get on to explain themselves, but time is slowly ticking away
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@Elminster
That's what I'm saying. Its basically a slip. Been saying this since the start of the dp and no one is even talking about it.
You probably don’t know this but we have a saying in the DART Mafia community: lynch all liars. GP has been ghosting this entire DP. Danielle is probably hungover from last night
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@Elminster
And all of those are correct. 3 is less likely because it assumes a bunch of shit. It assumes parot is mason and then lied dp2. Danielle lied about being pgo. And parrot was still willing to test her and know she wasn't scum because he would have died. 3 is possible but that type of town play is so dumb it's hard to town readSo 1 or 2 is more likely
GP was willing to visit a claimed PGO in a game in the past. But that doesn’t explain why he would claim Hot Potato. If he was Hot Potato to begin with then there’s no way he could communicate with her 2-ways.
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@Elminster
I still want an answer to my question. How would he have communicated with her? Word for word he said wait for her to explain a mechanic. How would he know this ?
3 Options:
Both are Mafia
Both are TP part of a Cult
Both are part of a Masonry and GP lied anyways for some unknown reason
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@Elminster
So his actual role is hot potato. This goes back to (2)How would he know she has to explain a mechanic if there is no way he could have communicated with her.So this is (2) or (3)
If he really is the Mason then he had to have recruited Danielle successfully even after she claimed PGO. Because he’s alive it would mean Danielle is town or TP per Drafters list.
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@Elminster
You are the HOT POTATO. You start the game with a HOT POTATO. You win with the Town.
NOTES:
If something prevents the player from giving away the HOT POTATO (e.g. roleblocker, commuter, etc.) the HOT POTATO will be given to a random, targetable player (that isn't the player currently holding it). If no such player exists, the bomb will explode harmlessly in mid air.
Note on timing: The player receiving the bomb during a Night Phase will be the one protected by it (killing their killers) not the person giving it away.
MESSAGE TO PLAYER/MESSAGE TO TARGET
"You have been given a HOT POTATO. If functions as a BOMB: if whoever receives this bomb is killed for any reason (except by lynching), their attacker will die as well. If they have multiple killers, one will be selected at random to die. You must give this HOT POTATO to another player during the next available night phase. If you do not, it will explode and kill you! (If you are Mafia, you may not give it to another Mafia player)"
(If the target cannot be given the bomb): "You cannot find your target so you toss the HOT POTATO into the crowd!"
(If there are no available players to take the bomb): "The bomb explodes in mid air!"
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@Elminster
Notes:There are a couple of possible variations to this role: 1) The Hot Potato can be randomly assigned at the start of the game to any role, meaning that someone can be a Cop starting with a Hot Potato in their possession, 2) The person starting with the Hot Potato can be informed of the Hot Potato's movements each night, or 3) the person is roleblocked on the night that they receive the Hot Potato rather than on the night that they are passing it off.
This isn’t how it works per Drafters list tho
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@Elminster
I'm the Hot Potato. I gave Danielle the bomb (because she tends to die first). She can tell you guys more.
I personally think this just means she can confirm she received a potato.
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@Elminster
I'm the Hot Potato. I gave Danielle the bomb (because she tends to die first). She can tell you guys more.
It tells me that he didn’t believe Danielle was a PGO because he gave her the bomb anyways
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@Elminster
This is what Speed said:
I assume he asked Drafter. I’ll ask Drafter myself to confirm tho
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@Elminster
Unless drafter mod confirms lynch proof would end the dp. May have missed him saying that
I think he did. I’ll look for it
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@Elminster
We get this to 6.
Only 5. 6 and the DP ends with me being lynched
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@Elminster
This also has me really questioning pies role. Actually.Vtl pieEveryone do this.I want to make sure he's not a 1x lynch proof.
Be my guest!
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@Vader
Right now I wouldn’t be opposed to Danielle. I just don’t think GP is scum because he’s said that he would target PGO’s if he was a visiting role. This is definitely something GP would do, but I don’t get why he claimed Mason. Is that normal meta for that role? Haven’t played enough games with it
I definitely trust GP more than Danielle. Why would scum ever visit a claimed PGO. Even if they suspected she was lying it’s just a bad move.
I’m personally lynching either Danielle or That1 today.
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@Elminster
That's not at all how miller works. Unless I'm off in lala land. I've never in my life played a mafia game where miller works that way.Is that a dart thing that I'm not aware of.
I’m pretty sure she’s getting terminology mixed up. What I think she means is she would appear guilty in a cop report if she was vanilla even thought she would as killer win with town.
With that being said, she is notorious for screwing up as mafia. That’s what led to Mafia defeat in my Civil War Generals mafia. If anything this just makes me want to scumread her even more and believe Supa’s claim even more. It’s such a horrible defense that I would expect noob mafia to use. Especially if it’s a team of noobs, which I suspected it was earlier
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@Vader
Interesting. I think that's really really sus. I think it just makes me feel like that there isn't any form of paranoid roles in the game and it's Drafter trying to psyche the town
You know how I feel about PGOs. The only reason I wasn’t on a policy lynch for her was cause her role literally is Paranoid Gun Owner. Clearly she was lying so it’s likely she’s scum.
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@Speedrace
I say we pressure/maybe lynch Danielle today, have Supa investigate himself in the NP
I would support this. However, if Supa is a confused cop then he may show up innocent tonight. So it’s kinda wack
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@Elminster
Was saying all last dp there are roles that will fulfill the title. Have to use behavior. As much as I want to trust a blind supa result I would be going back on my entire line of logic from last dp
It’s definitely paranoia. We also have another lead with Danielle that we can pursue.
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@whiteflame
Do you plan on claiming today? The game has become a clusterfuck
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@Greyparrot
DO NOT KILL ANYONE TILL DANIELLE EXPLAINS THE PARANOIA MECHANIC
Is there a reason why you visited a claimed PGO?
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@Elminster
Could be 2 mafia and that 1 is tpExplains crocs role
That probably makes the most sense. I’m still curious as to why GP visited a claimed PGO
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@Speedrace
My question is, why did they kill LUNATIC over both Supa and Grey??
Maybe inexperience?
Worried Supa is a lyncher tbh
Possible but it makes more sense there’s a cop considering there isn’t a Mason anymore. Unless Whiteflame is some type of similar role
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@Danielle
1.) Did you receive a Hot Potato?
2.) If you did how is Greyparrot alive considering he visited you?
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@Greyparrot
I'm the Hot Potato. I gave Danielle the bomb (because she tends to die first). She can tell you guys more.
Wait so you’re not Mason?
And Danielle apparently isn’t the PGO if you successfully visited her
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@Elminster
i think locking people into roles is still the best idea and then decide a lynch or vtnl
+1
This game is likely going to come down to roles because paranoia renders behavioral reads almost useless
All the roles that have been claimed at least relate somewhat to paranoia.
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@Danielle
XD
I already said I normally would claim at L-1. That game was different as a matter of fundamentals for me. In fact one of the first games I played of mafia, I learned it the hard way
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@whiteflame
Like I said, you guys can wait until DP2. As Danielle said, I could claim virtually anything at this stage based on the claims made so far, so I don't know why you're all this interested. You have no reason to believe what I tell you.
Sure, but your non-compliance is making you anti-town in the process. If you’re a power role of some sort you have competition for the NK anyways in the form of Cop, Mason, and Popular. There’s no reason why you shouldn’t be claiming.
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@Danielle
If whiteflame is scum, he would easily be able to fake claim at this point considering every other role is out.
He’d be open to scrutiny anyways. At this point he’s just being anti-town though
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
One more vote to pressure whiteflame
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@Danielle
I'm pretty sure everyone but whiteflame has claimed at this point. What's the vote count?
Post 486.
Help me pressure Whiteflame por favor
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Elminster - Vanilla
Speedrace - Vanilla
ILikePie5 - Popular
White flame - Unknown
Lunatic - Modified Vanilla
That1User - Vanilla
SupaDudz - Cop
Crocodile - Psychiatrist
Danielle - PGO
GreyParrot - Mason
Unofficial Vote Count
Speed - 2/6 - Elminster, Supa
Whiteflame - 3/6 - That1user, Pie, Speed
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@Danielle
I just learned the term "role madness" last week when I hosted a game with no vanillas. Now people are saying vanillas can be in role madness games. Wut?
It’s a whole controversy.
Speed and my games are role madness with no vanillas, but the older people like Bullish say role madness just means a plethora of roles and nothing about vanillas
Anyway it must be said that knowing there could be a TP means the "mason" could easily be a cult recruiter. If ya'll are a cult, target me :P
Uh oh
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@Speedrace
I think the paranoia is in whether there is a TP or not. I don't think a TP matters at all tho
It could go both ways ig. Cause last game behavior couldn’t find you as TP.
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- Elminster - Vanilla
- Speedrace - Vanilla
- ILikePie5 - Popular
- Whiteflame - Unknown
- Lunatic - Modified Vanilla
- That1User - Vanilla
- SupaDudz - Cop
- Crocodile - Psychiatrist
- Danielle - PGO
- GreyParrot - Mason
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@Greyparrot
I claim psychiatrist. I hardly have no clue what that means but Psychiatrist - MafiaWiki (mafiascum.net) states that I can turn tp's into townies. This means there's def a third party
Ok so according to Drafter’s list you can turn TPs into Town Vanillas.
A TP would make sense in a Paranoia Theme
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@Elminster
I'm not sure how I fully read WFThe issue is I really feel like we need to full commit to a mass claim at this point and lynch anyone who says no. We have outed to much already to half ass this. At least we tie people to roles. (speed as vanilla) if he visits someone etc, we know hes lyingI feel like we have to go all the way given where we are
+1
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