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@Greyparrot
Porn on Twitter is fine. Lies are not.
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you are arguing that Twitter has no right to censor content. That means they cannot ban people for what they post. The extension of that argument is they can't control anything on their platform.
Political content. Never said obscene speech.
I'm just throwing out examples of content they obviously need to be able to control on their platform. There are rules around how nudity can be posted on twitter. If you violate them you can be banned.
So you’re fine with obscene content but not political speech?
And that does not apply to twitter. Twitter is not a public place. It is a private corporation. If you want to go into public and yell lies, you go right ahead. But if you want to use the software of a private corporation, you must obey their rules. If you don't like it feel free to make your own platform.
Then they should be able to be sued like any other private corporation for libel. Or do you not want that either? If it’s selectively banning things and keeping others with regards to political speech they aren’t a platform, they are a publisher and therefore should be able to be sued
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@HistoryBuff
in a vain attempt to hold him accountable for the terrible things he is doing. It is one of the few powers they have to that end.
They won’t even let him answer lol. If they want to impeach him they’re more than welcome to. It’s gonna fail again anyways.
It was evident that the answers he was giving were inaccurate or misleading. Barr has a long record of these hearings, he knows how to skirt questions and stick to his talking points.
This is exactly my point. You don’t like what he’s saying so you don’t let him talk lol. Censorship 101.
why waste the time of everyone just to hear the same lies and talking points over and over?
What? If this is your opinion why call him in the first place lol. Just impeach him.
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@HistoryBuff
and they are not a publisher. They are a platform. But as a platform they have the right and responsibility that the content on their platform conforms to their rules. You post porn, you get banned. You post lies and misinformation, you should get banned.
That’s obscene speech which isn’t protected under the first amendment anyways lol. Political speech of any kind is. And even then Twitter doesn’t ban people who post porn lol. You’re advocating for people being censored for lying but not for posting porn lol.
You are basically arguing that they have no right to regulate content at all. So people can post porn, rape, murder, anything they want because twitter has no right to limit what anyone posts. If that is the case, then those platforms would collapse being no one wants to see porn pop up all the time.
Once again, obscene speech is not protected under the 1st Amendment. Political speech and lying about it is. Porn already exists on Twitter for years and they haven’t done anything about it lol.
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@HistoryBuff
I will grant you the speech part. There definitely was alot of that. But these hearings are pretty much useless anyway. The person being questioned just doesn't answer the question. That is how everyone related to the trump government treats hearings. So yeah, they just become an excuse to grand stand since they know the witness isn't going to actually answer them anyway.
If they are useless, why call him for a “hearing?” It was evident that the answers Barr was giving didn’t fit their narrative and that’s why they had to cut him off. Every time he wasn’t allowed to answer, a GOP congressman gave up part of their questioning time for him to respond. Does that not strike you as unfair? Speeches can be given anywhere. Why waste the time of everyone by calling for a hearing if he wasn’t going to be heard.
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@Greyparrot
But granted I don't subject myself to watching that pathetic excuse for an attorney general speak. -HB
Proceeds to comment on something he hasn’t even watched in entirety.
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@HistoryBuff
did we not watch the same clip? The people asking the question hadn't finished asking it and bar was trying to cut them off to "answer it" (not that he was actually answering them). They then had to reclaim their time so they could finish asking the question.
You’re delusional or just didn’t watch the entire hearing if you believe this. They asked a question. He was answering and before he could finish answering “rEClaIMiNg mY tIMe.” Even then, a good 80% was just a speech without any questions during a “hearing.”
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@Greyparrot
Everything that attacks the left is a lie. Haven't you figured it out by now?
You should’ve seen the Barr heading yesterday lol
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@Dr.Franklin
you just admitted they made the categories and trends...
He wants to censor people for “lying” but not be able to sue the censors. These are the modern Democrats.
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@warren42
Pie, why are you saying there better be a watcher who watched that? Did you feel it was obvious he'd have been the NK?
Cause it’s common sense to watch an asset like that?
DD should’ve been watched if there was a watcher period lol. Watching a unCCed claimed Doctor is common sense imo
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@Greyparrot
Apparently speech that is a lie isn’t protected speech. Tell me again how liberals support free speech?
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@HistoryBuff
in public? sure. You can stand on a street corner and shout all the lies you want. But there is no law that says that a digital platform has to let you spread your lies on their website.
It’s called the first amendment. Regulating speech without the option of libel is a violation of the first amendment. You can’t be both a publisher and a platform lol.
of course we have that power. Private corporations have the right and power to control what is on their platform. They are not required to allow you to publish lies and misinformation. And I would argue that they should have a duty to prevent egregious examples of this from occurring. But again, I think it should be a high bar. A politician fudging a number to look better, whatever that is normal. A politician lying multiple times per day for years on end is a particularly egregious example.
Then they aren’t by definition a platform lol and should be able to be sued for libel. Regulating speech is what a publisher does not a platform. You’re either a publisher or a platform, plain and simple.
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@HistoryBuff
You still don’t understand. Lying is protected under the first amendment. And the arbiters of whats true or not have an agenda. There’s no basis for preventing speech regardless of how misleading it is if we have the power to produce speech like the N word. It’s a violation of the first amendment and should be considered as such. Ads are almost always misleading whether they’re on tv or on Twitter. Twitter’s job is providing a platform, not deciding which speech should be allowed and which not. When they do that they should be able to be sued.
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@Greyparrot
Lol I took it as a hobby. I do some of my own personal investments but teaching disabled kids is my passion.
God Bless You
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@Crocodile
im a financial manager bro what do you think xD.
Aight question time.
Where’d you get your degree(s) from?
How much did you intern in college?
What was your first job?
Any advice for a finance major in college?
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@Greyparrot
I majored in business and took finance courses.
What was your like first job in the field and are you still working there?
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@Greyparrot
I find it funny how spreading misinformation shouldn’t be protected under the 1st Amendment if saying the N word and chanting racial slurs as a KKK member is constitutional.
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@Crocodile
Btw are you a finance major?
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@Crocodile
im slowly changing to becoming a rightist guyshelp me
We’re always welcoming! We’re not the side that supports censoring speech that isn’t aligned with out own. We aren’t the side that doesn’t condemn violent protests.
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@HistoryBuff
This makes no sense. So a guy lying about what kind of car he has is the same as convincing millions of people of hundreds, if not thousands, of lies? Do you really not see how those are different?
Everyone should be equal under the law. Surprised you disagree with that. Violation are violations. You can’t censor one person and not the other no matter how small or large the “crime” is. Either way there is no arbiter of truth as it depends on public opinion which is changing.
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@Lunatic
VTL Supa
He has most consensus after DD
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@warren42
Pie is literally saying "yup he's probably town but let's lynch him anyway."
I don’t want a miller at LYLO or MYLO even if his behavior is town. You’re not going to be able to lynch me anyways. I suggest you put forth another candidate or vote Press
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Okay vote bullish
It’s just you and Speed. That’s not consensus lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
A no lynch would not be the same and of the world due to having an even number of players but I would rather lynch bullish
We must lynch today.
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@warren42
No, you just disregard and think of them as an unclaimed vanilla. Instead you're trying to policy lynch someone who has been pretty obviously town
If a claimed miller survived till MYLO or LYLO they are prime suspects as scum period. There’s no disregarding anything. I’m not lynching DD today and we don’t have another consensus.
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@warren42
Why is that such a big deal? Why not just treat alleged millers like a vanilla who hasn't been copped and read them according to behavior? In reality, what's the difference between the two in a LYLO situation?
Because it becomes WIFOM at that point lol. Why put ourselves in such a position when we don’t have a consensus and need a lynch.
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@PressF4Respect
Scum claiming miller is extremely risky as the possibility of getting CC’d is incredibly high, especially for an unpressured SOP claim.
Sure, but it could just as easily be a fake claim. I don’t want town to be in a position where the miller is kept alive until MYLO or LYLO.
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@WaterPhoenix
It could also just as easily be town claiming miller.
Sure but it’s a negative town role anyways. It does us more harm than good imo
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I don't support Elizabeth Warren for her ethnicity, I support(ed) her for her integrity, interview answers on talk shows and news interviews as well as her actual policies. What does that have to do with this? I am not the one who is against immigration.
She got where she is today by claiming she’s Native American. Don’t you find that insulting to real Native Americans?
Also, her funding was more grass-roots than any major-party candidate in US history AKAIK.
Yup. She’s anti-big donors.
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@Bullish
Policy lynches are for when there are no clear scum reads and you want to lynch someone who's null but very unlikely to have a power role. Press is very townie IMO.
We don’t have scumreads except for DD, who is an unCCed doctor. The Recycled Roles was just what it said, recycled roles meaning we had a precedent for knowing stuff. More likely than not there is some protective role. Does it mean DD isn’t scum? Not really, but why would you want to risk a possible confirmable role? Press is and has been my policy lynch since the start because miller is a claim where we shouldn’t wait till the end if he survives.
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@HistoryBuff
The 2 are in no way comparable. 1 is a clear and ongoing attempt to mislead and misinform the american people, the other is a simple mistake that they quickly corrected. If you think those 2 are the same, then you are delusional.
The standard should be applied evenly. You can’t say oh just because I lied twice I shouldn’t be taken off. It’s called equal protection under the law. Setting an arbitrary number violates this. Either ban everyone that lies on Twitter or ban no one. Selectively choosing who to ban and who to not is a violation should not be protected under Section 230. It’s simple. Then again you’re the one that wants to ban people from Twitter for different political thoughts not me. Surprised you don’t think it’s a violation of the 1st Amendment.
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@WaterPhoenix
That's stupid if you want us to lynch someone we should lynch someone with the most votes on them right now. Plus, in my eyes, miller policy lynches usually aren't very good ideas.
You want to lynch a claimed unCCed Doctor? And why are miller policy lynches bad ideas lol. Scum could just as easily be claiming miller and there’s no way for us to know.
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@HistoryBuff
there is a big difference between saying something and being incorrect, and lying / misleading. All politicians say things on camera and get fact checked and turn out to be wrong. Trump says things that are incorrect, gets fact checked, then continues to repeat the lie. He isn't just saying things that are wrong, he is continuing to do it even after being told he is wrong.
It’s laughable to see the lengths you’re going to defend liberal politicians and their lies lmao. The point is simple. If Trump spreads misinformation he should be banned. But if Democrats do it, they shouldn’t. You denying that Democrats don’t continue to spread misinformation is a plain lie. Fact checkers are lying a lot of the times too, cause they’re part of the media lol. Let the Americans decide what they want to think.
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Which part is laughable? Referring to poor Latinos crossing the border to US to escape one capitalist hellhole for a lesser one, as 'illegal invaders'?I agree, that was hilarious in a sad way, especially as the 'proud native whites' are not native to the Americas AT ALL.
No. It just shows open borders doesn’t work. “Compassion.” But for how long? What does history say? Glad you agree what Liz Warren ain’t a Native American tho.
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@Greyparrot
Because that is what the Democrats are paying Antifa to do. Disrupt the economy so they can go back to the status quo.
Pramila Jayapal, the same person who said CHOP was a peaceful organization of people told Barr that he should’ve sent Federal Troops to Michigan when people were protesting stay at home. Delusional.
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Such as... The Colonists and Pilgrims who originally invaded the Native soil of what was named 'America' by the invaders?
This is laughable. It just proves the conservative point😂
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@HistoryBuff
please show me where he said this.
If Joe Biden is intentionally spreading misinformation, then sure, ban him too. You haven't provided any evidence he did this though. Also, Trump lies constantly, like multiple times per day. Trump has probably lied more than every single tweet Biden has ever sent. So comparing the 2 is a little bit off.
That’s not how it works lol. If you’re banning someone for misinformation then you have to ban everyone for misinformation, otherwise it’s selective bias lol. Anyways you agreed that Joe Biden should be banned if he spreads misinformation. If I show you one example of Biden spreading false information, will you agree he should be banned? Same thing with Bernie. Same thing with every Democrat? Because unless you’re telling me Democrats aren’t lying as well, your position is moot.
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I urge a policy lynch on Press because of no reasonable consensus. We need to lynch someone.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You’re under pressure. If you do not claim, you will be lynched.
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@PGA2.0
Anyone watching the House Judiciary Committee hearings today? What a farce. The Dems ask a question then either drown Barr out, or cut him off, or do not allow an answer. Talk about leading questions to serve their disgusting means and control the narrative. This is sickening. Does anyone else here think these Dems are mean, malicious liars who spin the truth and deny fairness?
It’s disgusting. The GOP members have to give up their questioning time to allow Barr to answer the allegations put forth by the Democrats. If they just want to give speeches, why the hell did they call him to testify in the first place. If you’re a peaceful protestors in a violent area, you are no longer a peaceful protestor. Go where there is no violence occurring or apprehend the rioters and hand them over to the police. It’s a shame the Democrats can’t condemn the violence occurring. I haven’t heard one Democrat say “do not attack the federal courthouse or do not attack police.”
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You should be full claiming here. You’re on the chopping block.
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@skittlez09
thoughts? dp ends soon so vote!
I will vote for the person who has the most votes so a lynch occurs.
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When the Democrats lie they aren’t censored but when Trump lies he should be censored. Does that seem fair to anyone. The only argument one can make is that they’re a private company so they can do whatever they want to, but that just proves they’re biased and therefore Section 230 shouldn’t apply to them, because they selectively allow and disallow information.
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@HistoryBuff
this is just getting sad. Trump lies on twitter daily, but it is Joe Biden that needs to be banned? This level of delusion is sad.
You’re just proving my point. Joe Biden said millions of people are dying to Covid in America? Should he be banned from Twitter? If Trump is banned for lying then Joe Biden should be too. It’s only logical
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@HistoryBuff
But if someone says a million people are dying per day of covid, that is obviously false and misleading. There is no reason we should allow people to spread that.
Yup we should ban Joe Biden from Twitter. Definitely
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@thett3
The GOP had two years of undivided control and nothing got done.
They couldn’t because of Senate Democrats and the filibuster which requires 60 Senators for cloture. In 2008 Democrats had the 60 Senators and that’s why Obamacare was shoved down the throats of Americans.
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@WaterPhoenix
Bullish would rather lynch disc and you would rather lynch press. And I would rather lynch disc. This isn't a very good method of determining who's town, hence the "Sorta Lean Town".
I just said policy as a last case scenario. I’m not on a side right now. But ok
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@WaterPhoenix
iLikePie5- Null: Gave a few substansive posts about the playstyles of different players, but that was about it.
Bullish- Sorta Lean Town: Came in, offered a bit of substantial advice then left.
Why is Bullish town for the same reason I’m null?
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@TheUnderdog
You kinda changed my mind a little bit. What if we had open borders with the whole world except for Latin America with the only requirement for entry from Latin America being you can't be a drug addict and if you are a drug addict, then you have to go through rehab before you come into the US? Other places in the world don't have drug problems to nearly the same extent as Latin America.
Then drugs still come in, just via foreigners lol. If there are people coming unhindered then the cartels benefit. As for the drug rehab, it wouldn’t work. Vast majority of Latin Americans don’t have the funds to do drugs anyways. Sicarios more often then not don’t do drugs either. You can’t fight the drug war without shutting its foundation and that’s Latin America. You can’t have an open border because cartels will take advantage of it. That’s what they already do. Take innocent people and tell them to deliver the load to the other side.
This is because they can't access plane tickets if they are here illegally. If we loosen our immigration requirements and let more Latin American immigrants here, then more people will come on planes, so less enter through Texas and more enter through places like NY.
Huh? That’s not the point. The point is that drugs will flow easily across an open border. There will always be people who seek to cross the Southern Border because of family and relatives. It’s not going to reduce drug trafficking across the border.
How are we culturally different from Portugal to a relevant degree? The war on drugs has failed and has resulted in more drug use.
You can’t end the Drug Wars. It’s cheaper to transport Colombian cocaine and Mexican marijuana to the United States than to México. Portugal can’t be as exposed to drugs that’s why they can recover faster. Us on the other hand always have had a steady demand and flow since the 1970s. You can’t end the Drug trade, you Can only reduce it. Opening the borders won’t reduce it, it will be like giving candy to a child. They won’t have fear of extradition because their entire cartel will be there to support them. Extradition is the single largest tool we have against cartels and with open borders it’s moot.
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