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@TheUnderdog
Mexico is very prone to bribes. At this point, I'd probably shoot El Chapo since he constantly escapes jail.
Violation of the Constitution.
I don't think they will infiltrate every US institution. We should get rid of the drug cartels in the US, maybe shooting the leaders.
You thinking it won’t happen doesn’t matter when that’s exactly what happened historically in other nations such with the prime examples being Mexico and Colombia. Shooting their leaders also doesn’t do anything. It just creates a power vacuum like the one experienced after Pablo Escobar’s death and after the imprisonment of Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo.
Moreover, most immigrants (like over 99% of them) want nothing to do with El Chapo. They are fleeing the drugs and want nothing to do with them.
They can’t flee because they will be followed by the cartels in an open borders scenario.
Most people that would come to the US with open borders aren't even Hispanic, so the notion that they would bring a bunch of illegal drugs here I don't see that happening, especially since we can and should rehab the drug users so they don't end up addicted to drugs again.
Not really. In 2016 the vast majority of illegal immigrants came through the Southern border and they were disproportionately Hispanic. Drug addiction can be fixed sure. But imagine if the drugs currently stopped by CBP were allowed to come unfettered. How many drug addicts would you have then? How much violence would they cause? Saying you can fix the problem after it has occurred is stupid when you can fix the problem at its root by stopping the flow of drugs as much as possible.
Whatever Portugal did to ease their drug problem worked, so I'd try the portuguese method in terms of eliminating the illicit drug use in this country. My state is a sanctuary state and we don't have a huge drug problem, so I don't think the notion that the immigrants would turn the US into Mexico is accurate.
If you live in California then your state is a mess. The only reason why it hasn’t gone under is because of Silicon Valley. Even now a bunch of businesses are moving out of California. Also you’re comparing apples to oranges by trying to say the Portuguese method would work in the US. Culturally it’s different and the amount of drug access is significantly lower in the first place. There are so many diverging factors. Your state doesn’t have a massive drug problem because the border is still federal territory and hundreds of agents protect it day and night. With that gone, drugs would surge through the borders without hindrance and would definitely envelope the state with a drug problem.
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@warren42
God how many times do I have to talk to you (general you, not just Pie (but also Pie specifically)) about how stupid this is? Like why would you vote someone "for activity" when they haven't come on yet?If they posted then go afk sure, whatever. But if they haven't come online, your vote isn't going to do shit because they haven't looked at the game.Voting someone "for activity" if they haven't posted at all is stupid, full stop. The only case this is acceptable is if you're actually willing to/trying to lynch someone who has 0-posted.
Welcome to the game.
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@Stephen
WW1 started in July 28, 1914. Russia joined the conflict 5November 1914.
What’s your source for this? The Russians joined the conflict as soon as Austria Hungary attacked Serbia.
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@HistoryBuff
When the Kaiser realized the Austrians had ignored Germany's advice, he pushed for the Austrians to accept the Serbian's response.
Irrelevant. He failed and Germans didn’t accept peace.
Why? If the Austrians had attacked right away, it would have been seen internationally as Austria defending itself against serbian aggression. The French would have stayed out and the Russians would have had no chance of beating Austria/Germany. So Russia would have stayed out too.
See that’s the thing, if Germany was out of the picture then it wouldn’t have mattered. The Austrians didn’t want the Russians to come and that’s why they asked for German help. If Austria didn’t ask the Germans they couldn’t attack thus preventing the war.
The Kaiser did try to get the Austrians to accept the Serbian response to the Austrian demands. They also tried to get the Russians to stop mobilizing since the Russian mobilization meant Germany had to attack. The Austrians wanted war and the Russians wouldn't stop their mobilization. That left germany with no choice but to attack.
Germany had a choice. To back out, but that was impossible after the blank check was given. The blank check emboldened the Austrians to attack plain and simple.
The leader of germany wanted peace. He pressured the austrians to make peace. He pressured the Russians to stop mobilizing so that Germany wouldn't have to go to war. Both the Austrians and the Russians ignored him.
Irrelevant. Germany didn’t accept the peace negotiations. If they didn’t want war they shouldn’t have provided a blank check. There’s a reason why you never give anyone a blank check lol.
I have not mistaken that. You have mistaken the Alliance between Germany and Austria. When Austria attacked Serbia and if Russia responded, then Germany was required by their treaty to defend Austria against Russia. The Alliance between France and Russia would then require France to defend Russia against Germany. So germany would not be able to stay out if russia intervened.
Then what was the purpose of the blank check lol. The Dual Alliance was only if Russia was the aggressor on either Austria Hungary or Germany. The Austrians became the aggressors after the blank check. If the Germans had said no, we want peace and kept to the terms of the alliance, there wouldn’t have been the war.
This doesn't make sense. The germans were required by treaty to defend Austria against the russians.
If the Russians were the primary aggressors which they weren’t. The Austrians attacked the Serbs first which lead to the Russians coming.
The russians had backed down to germany multiple times. There is no reason to think they wouldn't have done so again if they thought France wasn't going to back them up. Russia would have been annihilated by Germany.
France would back them up if the Germans attacked lol, that was what the Franco-Russian alliance was over.
You are straight up admitting it is Austria's fault. The Austrians declared war and triggered WW1. The Germans did what allies are supposed to do, they helped to defend their ally. They phrased their support badly, but the Austrians triggered the war. It is really straight forward. I'm not sure why you keep pretending like is it somehow Germany's fault that the Austrians wanted a war with Russia.
Then you don’t understand what the Dual Alliance was. It was a defense alliance. Not an offensive alliance. If the Russians came to defend the Serbs, Germany was not obligated to respond; that’s why Austria Hungary asked the Germans and they gave the blank check. The Germans thought the Russians were bluffing about helping Serbia and gave away the blank check. Without this assurance by the Germans, the Austrians wouldn’t have attacked the Serbs.
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@HistoryBuff
yes, they did not phrase it well. They essentially said "we will support you", but told them that they should attack right now. The Austrians chose to ignore what the germans told them, the end result was they conciously triggered a war with Russia. Germany then tried to avert that war with Russia (the Czar and Kaiser were cousins), but were not able to.
If they ignored it, they should’ve backed off lol. They chose to support the Austrians anyways.
This is not true. If the Russians thought they were going to have to fight the Austrians/Germans without French and British support, they wouldn't have done it. They weren't ready for a war. However they proceeded as they were confident the French would support them.
Well ya, but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying even if Austria attacked earlier, the Russians would’ve come to the defense of Serbia.
But you have also hit on the problem. The Germans were allies of the Austrians, The russians chose to guarentee the Serbians. The French were allied with Russia against the Germans. So the pieces were in place for everyone to get sucked in. Which is exactly why the Austrians are at fault for knowingly triggering that chain of events. They knew they were starting a war with russia. They knew the Germans would help them. They knew the French and british would jump in to help the russians against the Germans. So the Austrians knowingly triggered the war.
If the Germans kept their mouth shut and sued for peace then the Austrians never would’ve declared war on Serbia. The only reason the Austrians attacked was because of the blank check provided by the Kaiser.
Kaiser Wilhelm wanted to stop the war, and gave instructions to that effect. He was undermined by his own people as well as the Austrians.
So the Germans didn’t ensue for peace lol. It doesn’t matter what the Kaiser wanted. Germany still as a nation rejected the peace.
Russia had backed down in problems with Germany on more than 1 occasion in recent History. If they thought that the French wouldn't support them, they likely would have done so again. They could not have won a war against Austria and Germany without the French. And if the french felt the war was justified because of the murder of the arch-duke, they could have been convinced to stay out. But once the Serbians agreed to main points of the Austrian demands, then the Austrians lost the moral high ground. The Serbians had already capitulated and therefore the Austrians were the aggressors when they attacked.
You misunderstand the nature of the alliance between Russia and France. France wouldn’t have come in unless the Germans did. The Russians didn’t need the French helping them if the Germans stayed out of it lol. The Germans didn’t and because of this the French were forced to side with the Russians. But again you prove my point. Without Germany in the mixture, the war would’ve solely involved the Russians, Serbs, and Austrians, and in this scenario the Austrians would’ve lost and they knew it. If Germany had rejected Austrian demand then WWI wouldn’t have happened.
If the Austrians had done as the Germans said and attacked right away, WW 2 would not have been triggered. It would have been another local confict in the Balkans.
Nope, the Russians would’ve come to their aid anyways. The Russians didn’t want conflict with Germany. They didn’t want conflict with the Austrians. If the Austrians has attacked, the Russians would’ve come, that’s practically certain since they had been supporting the Serbs since the beginning of the 20th century.
But that is really besides the point. The Austrians are the ones who picked a fight with Russia knowing it would kick off a massive war. The germans did not. The kaiser didn't want the war.
They only declared war because of the unconditional support by the Germans lol.
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@HistoryBuff
they can, but the thugs didn't identify themselves when asked. They never said they were police. They never said what department they were with. They never said why they were grabbing him. They never said if he was under arrest, or for what reason. They simply jumped out of a rental van and grabbed a man off the street. that is kidnapping.
Please show where any of that is required under federal law. I’m still waiting.
they said that the charges against them didn't have to be substantially the same as the the charge the officer said while arresting them. I don't see anything that says they don't have to say why they are being arrested. If you think it is something else, please provide evidence.
Unfortunate that you couldn’t find it. “While it is assuredly good police practice to inform a person of the reason for his arrest at the time he is taken into custody, we [the court] have never held that to be constitutionally required.
exactly, which is why police should identify themselves.
They did. They literally had POLICE written on them.
That police should identify themselves. They should tell someone if they are arresting them, and if so why. They should not be permitted to snatch people off the street with no one knowing who they are, what branch of government they belong to, or why they are snatching people. That is some gestapo bullshit. If you are ok with secret police grabbing people off the street with no warning, no explanation and no one knowing who they are or why they are taking people, then you are saying you are ok with the government ruling through fear and coercion.
Everything done was done within the constraints of the law. I challenge you show me federal statutes that show that federal agents cannot do that. Police aren’t required to tell you who they are or what you are being charged with until they want to question you, at which time they read you your Miranda Rights. That’s what happened with the dude. Police detained him. Took him to a federal courthouse. Read him his rights. He refused to answer without a lawyer. They released him. A “secret police” would do no such thing.
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@HistoryBuff
why would you think that? There is footage of unmarked men grabbing a guy and shoving him into a van without saying a word. They gave no indication why they were grabbing him or if they were even affiliated with the police, let alone who precisely they were.
So the person can’t read POLICE? Ok.
Did you read about that? It took me like 2 minutes to see that you didn't. That case was to decide: Is an arrest lawful under the Fourth Amendment when the criminal offense for which there is probable cause to arrest is not "closely related" to the offense stated by the arresting officer at the time of arrest?This case did not say a police officer doesn't have to tell you why you are being arrested. It says that if the cause to arrest given by the office is not closely related to the probable cause, that this is still lawful.
Maybe you want to do a Control+F of the entire ruling to find where the court said that.
that is absolutely still "unmarked". Anyone can write police on a vest. They had no marking of what organization they were with or who they were. And the fact is that they were not police, they were border guards.
They were federal agents. Anyone can write police on a vest and if they impersonate a federal officer it’s a federal felony. Police don’t have to identify themselves to you. Please show me a federal law where a federal agent has to identify themselves to you. And even if they did your point makes no sense. Anyone can write police on their vest. Anyone can create a false identify too. What’s your point?
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@HistoryBuff
However it is unclear if the Serbian government knew of or ordered the assassination. And there is evidence that when they discovered it, they ordered it stopped.
I would love to see this evidence. Probably released by the Serbs anyways. It’s no mystery they endorsed the Black Hand and funded it. It’s what I’d do, if I were them.
The german "blank cheque" was intended to be used immediately. IE the germans told the Austrians if they were going to attack to do it immediately because then the allies would sympathize with the Austrians as the wronged party. But the Austrians didn't do this. They delayed and then sent their demands, many of which the Serbians agreed to. By doing this, the Austrians made themselves look like the aggressors since the Serbians were agreeing to many of their terms. When the Austrians attacked anyway, the russians and the French/British saw the Austrians as the aggressors and intervened. Basically, the Austrians seriously fucked up by sending a list of demands they knew the Serbians would never accept.
That’s not what a blank check means lol. It’s unconditional support. If that’s what the Germans wanted then that’s what they should’ve said instead of assuring Austria Hungary it would support them no matter what they did. The Russians would’ve protected the Serbs no matter what because of their political and religious interests. Time was not an issue. The French and Russians were military allies with regards to Germany and Germany alone. Any aggression by the Germans would be met with retaliation from the French and Russians. Same thing with the British. Without German involvement, the war would’ve never happened. There’s no aggressor dilemma because of the alliances already present. The same events would’ve occurred if the July Crisis didn’t happen.
Correct. They knew they couldn't win a war fighting on 2 fronts. So the Schlieffen plan said that if Russia or France mobilized, then germany HAD to mobilize and attack immediately in order to overwhelm one of their enemies before the other could fully mobilize. So once the Russians and French began mobilizing, they left germany no choice but to attack. They had no other way to win the war.
Without German involvement, the Russians wouldn’t have mobilized against them. Russian mobilization was solely in support of Serbia until Austria-Hungary decided to seek help from the Germans and later declared war along with the Germans, which opened up the mobilization on the Western Front. Not to mention the Germans were the ones to reject peace talks offered by the British in July to avert a war. The Russians and the French agreed.
OK. but the allies also caused massive ammounts of damage. Why would you think Germany has to pay an insanely high indemnity (that was literally impossible to pay back) for a war they didn't start.
Cause the Allies won and Central Powers lost? The victor decides the conditions of surrender, not the loser.
And if the french had declared themselves neutral in the war between Austria and russia, it likely would have been a local war. And if the Russians hadn't promised to unconditionally back serbia just before they responded to the demands, war might have been averted. If the Austrians had attacked as the Germans told them to, it is likely it would have been a quick local war between Austria and Serbia with little loss of life. If the Russians had agreed to the last minute peace efforts made by the Germans, war could have been averted. There are countless ways this war could have been averted. Placing blame at the feet of Germany just because they promised to support the ally they were required to support, is ridiculous.
The French were neutral with regards to Russia and Austria until the Germans declared war on Russia. Because of the military alliance they were forced to mobilize. The Russians had the backs of Serbs since the beginning of the 20th century. Austria was stupid to declare war on the Serbs. But they only did it because the Germans had their backs. The last peace efforts were denied by the Germans lol, where’d you get that info from? And no, Germany is to blame. Without their support the Austrians wouldn’t have done anything plain and simple. Even if they attacked Serbia immediately the Russians would’ve pledged their support as they had been doing so since the beginning of the 20th century.
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@HistoryBuff
The arch duke was assassinated by citizens of the Austro-Hungarian Empire that wanted to succeed from the Empire
Gavrilo Princip was associates by the Black Hand Serbian organization that included members of the Serbian military and was financed by high ranking officials on the Serbian Government. He was a Bosnian by nationality but a Serb in terms of ethnicity.
Once the Russians mobilized their army to defend serbia, Germany had no choice be to declare war (due to the schlieffen plan and the nature of military mobilization in the 20th century)
Not really. Before declaring war on Serbia, Austria Hungary sought support from the Germans. Kaiser Wilhelm II sent an assurance to them which is known now as the “blank check.” Without this support Austria Hungary would’ve never declared war for the fear of Russia. The Schlieffen Plan was designed to subjugate the French via Belgium prior to Russian mobilization in the East as to prevent conflict on two fronts.
So Germany was certainly involved in the start of the war, but they didn't start it. The Austrians and the Russians did.
The Germans caused the most damage to Allied assets and also contributed the largest amount of assets among the Central Powers. Austria Hungary was forced to dissolve into two sovereign nations as well as punishment, but without the Germans giving the blank check, nothing would’ve likely happened.
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@Vader
His behavior fits his play in my game. Could it be a fake claim and he’s acting sure. But his behavior is just like his townplay.
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@Greyparrot
BTW. Nick Sandman just settled for a fucking motherload against the fake news industry. It pays to take the time to use the courts instead of cashing in on misinformation.
He’s making bank. I still remember when it happened, I was like there’s no way a kid did that on a school trip in front of his peers and teachers lol
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We’re wasting time by engaging in this spat. Let’s leave Press as a policy if it comes to that and pressure the inactives.
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@Greyparrot
It's obviously bullshit misinformation, otherwise those people would have a court case pending right now and a gag order from the Judge instead of cashing in on CNN panicporn mob supporters.
Obviously. The one case I read about was where a dude was taken by federal officers. They read him his Miranda Rights. The dude refused to talk without an attorney present, and they let him go after.
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@Greyparrot
It is a common misapprehension that police officers are required to tell you why you're being arrested or what offense you've committed when you're being arrested. They are not, and even where there may be local statutes, the exceptions for officer discretion of practicality are in full force.
Local laws don’t apply to federal officers anyways under the supremacy clause.
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@HistoryBuff
part of the process of being arrested is the police telling you that you are under arrest and for what reason.
I’m pretty sure the person being arrested knows they’re being arrested. And no, the police don’t have to tell you why you’re being arrested according to Devenpeck v. Alford.
If unmarked thugs jump out of a rental van and grab you without announcing themselves as police, without telling you what you are being arrested for, or even telling you that you are being arrested, then you have not been arrested. You have kidnapped. That is some of what trump's thugs have been doing.
They aren’t unmarked. They literally have POLICE written on them lol. I challenge you to show me a video where a federal officer arrested someone where POLICE wasn’t written.
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@Stephen
Muslim Empires are never bad you islamophobe
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@Greyparrot
Decreasing the standard of healthcare for some while increasing it for others is definitely moral
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@Vader
I know. I just think it’s an inherently small thing to scum read him for. Maybe an FoS, but not a scum slip
Like I said if all else fails he’s a safe policy
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Despise him all you want. You can’t even vote in American elections. Your opinion is useless to me and changing it has not benefit to me.
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@Vader
Agreed. I’m looking at behavioral from the Miller. It seemed like Press was much more passive than he is now. He is now scum reading DD in the first post asking for char & role claim. Then again, he wasn’t pressured at all
Of course he was passive lol. His scumread is based on the fact that DD hadn’t read his previous statement and because of that he kept pushing.
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@Vader
I get it. But it was a 1x occurance. Where there any other games he was Miller, cause I don’t remember. Anyway I’m not going to base a read off a 1x occurance. He could easily have looked how he claimed in last game he was Miller, and replicated it as scum
In my 13 Reasons Why game. He was Alex Standall the Miller and he claimed first thing from what I remember. But as I said, he’s a safe policy if it comes to that.
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Press fits his meta as a miller from what I remember in my game. I’d say he’s a safe policy moving forward tho.
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Aight let’s get the show on the road
VTL Speed cause he a wacko
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@Discipulus_Didicit
We require video evidence that you have literally slapped yourself.
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@Bullish
Basically everything croc did this game was coached. He's a relatively new player, the game mechanics were kind of complicated, and he knew nothing about poker.
He had two experienced buddies to help him. You didn’t need to give them the idea of a NK bus
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@bmdrocks21
And even if this was unjust, they want me to risk my skin to protect them so they can be free to fight for more gun control and destroy our American way of life? No thanks, lmfao
They can go buy a gun for themselves. Oh wait...
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@Speedrace
Lol that's not my fault. I told my teammates to lawyer me and they didn't listen, and I still won so
😂😂😂
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No. I am directly stating that you are implying he is very smart. I am also indirectly implying that being wrong does not always mean a person is scum.
Town and scum can be dumb. His strategy was dumb and he turned out town. His strategy in my game was dumb and he was scum.
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The feds don’t need permission to arrest someone if they’re suspected of engaging in a federal crime.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I get it now, you are saying that it is a bad strategy and therefore either RM was dumb or he was scum and you believe RM to be a super genius therefore he should have been scumread.
You calling RM dumb? 😨
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Wtf?
That’s major sus. Makes me wonder if I really got killed accidentally
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@Discipulus_Didicit
When I saw I was one card away from straight flush DP1 my brain just used that info and ignored everything else in the poker aspect of the game and just focused on the mafia aspect.
Ya that’s what I thought you had
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Slap yourself hard on the face right now.This would have let me completely prove Croc was scum.
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@Bullish
Track and watch were a lot less powerful in this game, because town could also do the NK. That's why I put them in the low-tier roles.
I think the game was definitely balanced. But you just wanted me dead didn’t you?😭
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So what would you have done for a six-of-a-kind (two jokers in the hole, 4-of-a-kind on the table)?
6oK is impossible cause there are only 5 cards
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@Speedrace
YES LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I got your ass NP1. Dieeeeeee
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Pocket Jacks are notoriously hard to play in poker. Crazy scum got a 5oK out of that.
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@Bullish
NP3 the mafia tried to kill Press, but I misread and killed pie instead. I made that mistake but I think it ended up in favor of mafia, because Supa killed Press.
😭😭
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What was his strategy? I must have skipped that part.
Everyone claims their cards and he creates a course of action. Impossible with only the flop on the board. Makes it easier for scum to navigate too.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I was under the assumption of King high beats a Jack high and pair of kings beats a pair of Jacks (possible with a joker).
Joker would give two pair with Aces and Fives. The others are also numbers that would give a two pair. I think I got that right
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I only read about 5% of the game after my death but from what little I did see I don't understand Supa scum reading you honestly...
He should’ve been scumread. Especially after is “strategy” failed miserably.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Damn, looks like we lose this one.
Yup. Unfortunate
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@Bullish
I’m looking forward to your thoughts about this game
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@Greyparrot
It’s funny that people think Federal Officers can’t enforce federal law. If you try to firebomb a federal courthouse, they will come after you and they don’t need a state or local official’s permission to do so.
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@Greyparrot
I love the drive-thru charade. Every employee with gloves, masks, glass shields.... but you give them your credit card or money, you just infected all of their gloves...which is then placed on your drink, bag and food, change and credit card.What a joke at virtue signalling.
I have a friend who was a staunch liberal come and tell me he’s voting for Trump because of the direction the Democratic Party is moving towards. If he’s doing this imagine all the moderates. No one wants violence.
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@Greyparrot
People cough into cloth masks, touch their faces, and put it on every public surface.That isn't the hospital level lockdown required to keep 70% of the population from getting the COVID virus.
That’s what I tell every Dem. You want people to not die? Stay at home and never leave your home. Otherwise you’re putting other people at risk regardless of how high the risk is. yOU’rE LIteRaLly kiLLiNG pEoPLe
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