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@ATroubledMan
Currently, Wyoming has four times the voting power over California, for example and it causes candidates to focus their campaigning disproportionately in a few swing states. This is even worse than what you propose.
Wait you’re saying Wyoming shouldnt have as many Senators as California?
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@n8nrgmi
and, the main reason the electoral college exists at all, is to preserve slavery?
Without the Electoral College Lincoln wouldn’t have won as the Southerners would’ve joined forces.
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@Greyparrot
E.C. is forever the foil of the party of slave labor.
Without the EC it’s possible that JFK wouldn’t get elected. No JFK no LBJ
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@ATroubledMan
The Electoral College was instrumental in Abraham Lincoln’s victory. With a popular vote system the Southerners would’ve rallied and easily defeated Lincoln. No Lincoln no Civil War.
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@HistoryBuff
I didn't defend CNN. They present the facts with a distinct bias. Their opinion sections are often full of opinions that aren't supported by facts.
Glad we agree!
However, Fox is in a whole different league. They lie constantly. Whether it is the "news" team or the opinion people, it is all far right wing nonsense filled with lies, half truths and constantly kissing trumps ass no matter how wrong he is or how many people he is hurting and/or killing.
I would actually disagree. There are numerous objective reporters on Fox like Neil Cavuto. Name me one such person on CNN?
They lying, corrupt, sycophants.
Compared to CNN, definitely not. CNN on a whole bunch of levels is worse than Fox News.
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@ATroubledMan
That's a fair statement, I'm not sure who has better ratings, but I would have to ask if you think ratings is equivalent to valid reporting of news?
Not necessarily. But people you have to take into account this: people are more likely to mistrust you if you claim to be non-partisan but spew liberal talking points compared to if you openly admit your beliefs. Personally I don’t look at opinion pieces. I look at facts but I do watch Hannity for people like Sara Carter who in my opinion is an excellent investigative reporter.
As well, do you think it's appropriate for a president to say things like this?“Don Lemon, the dumbest man on television (with terrible ratings!).”
Yes. He like every American has the right to free speech. It’s appropriate to exercise his first amendment right.
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@ATroubledMan
Exactly, it was in reference to this comment you made. I brought up some stats on peoples trust in the media, thought it would have been interesting for you to read considering you said "Majority of Americans"
Exactly. I said media as a whole. Not individual networks.
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@HistoryBuff
there is a big difference between saying "i'm a conservative" and "I lie so constantly that you should ignore everything I say", which would be the far, far more accurate one. Anyone on Fox who events hints at a truth that they don't like is fired or attacked. There is no room for the truth on fox.
There’s also a big difference between saying you’re non partisan while preaching fake news. For the media it’s all a ratings game. Fox simply does it better because of openly conservative people like Sean Hannity. Both CNN and Fox engage in “lying” behavior. I’m not defending Fox, just saying it has better ratings. You on the other hand seem to be defending CNN. Is this true?
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@ATroubledMan
And Sean Hannity has some of the highest ratings on television because he openly admits he supports Trump, whole garbage shows like Don Lemon’s claim they’re non-partisan but get garbage ratings.
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@ATroubledMan
Uh, did you see who and what comment I was responding? Try reading and comprehending before you post.
Uh you were the one who tagged me...
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@ATroubledMan
Again, we have no idea what happened, but we do know Trump has threatened and fired a lot of staff over his term so it would stand to reason he might have threatened Fauci. If that comes out, we'll then see. Until anything can be established, it's all speculation.
Exactly my point. Until Fauci or Birx say otherwise you should believe them over any second hand source especially after Fauci’s response to if his answer was voluntary. Just admit it dude, Trump did what the experts told him to do the first time they told him. Saying otherwise is a conspiracy theory.
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@ATroubledMan
Have a look at this article, very interesting read.These questions allowed us to measure things a few different ways. For example, we could examine trust gaps between different groups of people for different news outlets. We found that CNN is trusted by 70% of self-described liberal Democrats, but only 16% of conservative Republicans – a gap of 54 percentage points. Conversely, Fox News is trusted by 75% of conservative Republicans but only 12% of liberal Democrats – a 63-point gap.
How is this related to Fauci or the media lying? Fauci has clearly established that Trump agreed to do what he and the officials wanted the first time they went to him. So do you still agree with the media that Trump didn’t act fast enough? If you do blame the experts for not coming earlier.
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@HistoryBuff
But they are nowhere near as bad as "news" outlets like fox which just spews lies nonstop and calls it news.
Difference between the two is that CNN claims they’re non-partisan when people on Fox like Sean Hannity admit they’re conservative. Honesty goes a long way as shown by the ratings for each channel.
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@ATroubledMan
When a timeline can be established of exactly when that took place, we can then establish who was lying. If Fauci was lying, I have no problem admitting to that. Trump could very well have pulled Fauci aside and told him he'd be fired if he didn't say that, we just don't know what happened yet, and hopefully it will all come out in the wash.
Fauci clearly said the first time he and the officials went the President agree. Did Trump pull him aside and threaten to fire him? Fauci has said no: he voluntarily says what he says. So is Fauci lying or is the media lying. Dates really don’t matter here. And the burden of proof is on you to prove that Trump threatened to fire him, otherwise it’s just a conspiracy theory.
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@Greyparrot
If we burn, you burn with us.
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@Greyparrot
I never read the Hunger Games for this reason; I just watched the movies. If ya ever need fantasy books tho I’m your man
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@n8nrgmi
so you don't believe every vote should be equal?
Do you believe slavery should still exist. Without the Electoral College there would’ve been a unifying effect under the popular vote system to deny Lincoln the Presidency. Simple majority can be dangerous. That’s the reason the founding fathers wanted a diverse coalition of states. They wanted people to compromise.
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@Greyparrot
So true. Even if it’s not about reality. Reading is important at any age. I read a crap ton back in middle school
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@Greyparrot
Don’t forget about those online that read opinion pieces 24/7
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@Greyparrot
They’re all over the place man just like Quid Pro Joe
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Let him be the champion of the media. Majority of Americans don’t trust it anyways
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@ATroubledMan
Dr. Fauci: "If Trump had acted earlier, lives could have “obviously” been saved"
Lordy, didn’t you get the memo? Fauci clarified his statement.
"The first and only time that I went in and said we should do mitigation strongly, the response was, 'yes, we'll do it,'" Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters in the White House briefing room on Monday evening.
Fauci said Monday evening that he didn't know the date he and Deborah Birx went to Trump to make a formal recommendation but insisted that Trump listened to the advice from public health experts, offering solidarity with Trump amid criticism of the White House response to the pandemic.
Asked by a reporter if he was clarifying his remarks voluntarily, Fauci shot back.
"Everything I do is voluntarily," Fauci said. "Please, don't even imply that."
"Everything I do is voluntarily," Fauci said. "Please, don't even imply that."
So I’ll ask you once again. Is Fauci lying when he said Trump listened to the advice of experts?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Amen.Suffering from tds must be hell, my thoughts and prayers.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
He’s been ghosting me cause we got him cornered. Either Fauci is lying or the media lying. Either way we win
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@ATroubledMan
You’re citing evidence that directly contradict Fauci and Birx. Should I believe a primary source more or a secondary source? Who’s telling the truth? The media or Fauci cause one of them is lying.
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@Greyparrot
The author of one article summed it up perfectly. I watch the news for facts not hot takes by someone else.
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@ATroubledMan
Why is he a liar? Your video was from yesterday, not months ago when Trump was bungling. We need to listen to Fauci, not Trump.
Fauci has been asked the question in the past too and he said the same thing. But you and media think he’s lying right ?
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@Greyparrot
Did you watch the recent gaslighting CNN did in real-time with their Chirons?It's amazing!"Angry Trump Uses Propaganda Video, Produced By Government Employees At Taxpayer Expense""Angry Trump Turns Briefing Into A Propaganda Session""Trump Uses Task Force Briefing to Rewrite History On Coronavirus Response"What is funny is that CNN fake news didn't even air the "propaganda" videos, to "protect" their viewers from thoughtcrimes.
Ya my parents have CNN on all day cause that’s the first channel on the list. As soon as Trump started his videos during the briefing CNN switched to analysis. My dad was going crazy. He’s like wtf is this. Both my parents voted Obama twice and then Trump, just for context.
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@ATroubledMan
How about you read the chronology of what actually happened
If your article was true then why after multiple questions have Fauci and Birx agreed that Trump listened to advisers? Would you say their word matters more than any secondary source?
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@Greyparrot
It’s pretty funny actually. Trump did what his advisers told him to. If you blame Trump for our problems maybe you should blame these “advisers”
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@ATroubledMan
Do you agree that Trump listened to health officials like Fauci and Birx? If so then all his actions were based on that advice. If you don’t believe he did, I would like you to look up the numerous times Fauci and Birx have said the President has heeded their advice.
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@ATroubledMan
Great. More accusations. What is with this place, it seems so many here are paranoid delusional. Grow up, people.
How do you know who HB is 🤔🤔
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Fauci has said multiply times that Trump listened to health officials. If there’s anyone to blame it’s them. BuT ORaNgeMaN bAD
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@Greyparrot
@TheDredPriateRoberts
Is ATM HB 2.0??? It seems like it to meeeeee
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@bmdrocks21
Jimmy Kimmel and SNL are funny?
To me ya. SNL skits are amazing
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@bmdrocks21
I don’t know how you justify censorship of the opposing political opinion. Like goddamn we watch SNL, Jimmy Kimmel, and the rest too. Not cause we agree with them, but because they’re hilarious. But ofc laughing to conservative comedians should be banned too
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@Greyparrot
And Manchurian McCain.
Ahh the Hanoi Songbird
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@Greyparrot
The modern gang of eight.
Half of the Republicans in the Gang of Eight were from Arizona: the home of Barry Goldwater. He must be rolling over in his grave.
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@HistoryBuff
<br>i'm not going to subject myself to videos from racist, homophobic assholes. Make a point for yourself.
Finally you show your true colors. Censor anything that you think is racist and homophobic...even if it’s grounded in fact.
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@Greyparrot
I read somewhere that beggars on the street make like thousands a year #Poor
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@DBlaze
And Trump has decreased prices of prescription drugs. ORaNgE mAN bAd
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@HistoryBuff
I mean if you want there to be less doctors, Medicare for All is the way to go. People don’t go through med school and accrue thousands of dollars in debt just to get less money with socialized healthcare. It’s all about the money. Demand for doctors will rise but supply of doctors will fall because the government will be doing all the price fixing you criticize so much.
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@ethang5
@Greyparrot
HB wants to legalize every illegal here, all the 12 million or whatever are already here. Then in an other 20 years when there are 12 million more that come illegally, he wants to legalize them as well. It’s a never ending cycle. But it’s definitely not open borders.
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@ethang5
He’s running on controlled immigration but at the same time the idea that we should be good and let as many people in as we can essentially opening the border which he denies doing. He’s only fooling himself. At the end of the day if someone asks him if he wants to feed and cloth an “immigrant” family for a couple years, he’s gonna say no. You can reject human nature all you want. At the end of the day it will always win. Nature has the power to outlive any individual as it has done since the beginning of time.
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@HistoryBuff
exactly, you have no idea when, or even if, there is a point where immigrants coming to america would have a negative affect on your life. You simply want to reject all of them out of fear.
Common sense tells me that the more people we accept the more my standard of living decreases because the people aren’t doctors or engineers, they’re illiterate. The point of that statement was that we don’t know. If we run under the concept of “good” then we have to accept as many as we can but that inherently lowers my standard of living. That’s what common sense means.
and yet more straw man arguments. I have never said America should accept every immigrant.
Than how many? Oh wait that’s a conspiracy theory. No no, your answer is as many as we can which common sense says would lower my standard of living to uplift people who don’t know our culture, our language, nor can benefit our society because they have nothing to begin with.
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@HistoryBuff
how many is that?
Thats the point. It’s a pipe dream that neither you nor I know. And how the hell is that a conspiracy theory when that’s exactly what you believe in lol. Accepting every single immigrant.
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@HistoryBuff
How many foreigners? Enough so that my standard of living decreases, or do you deny that that’s not going to happen?no, i want to change the laws of the land so that those "foreigners" can become citizens who will then pay into the system too.
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@ethang5
The problem is current economic system, not immigration.Even more reason to not compound the problem with poor backward illegals.
Yes the problem is economics. Rule Number 1: Resources are limited
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