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@Vader
@Casey_Risk
Look, if we kill Wylted and he's town, Bullish will waive the NK and say he RB'd me and then it's gonna be a whole Thing.
Not really, cause it’s not believable for a couple of reasons: You prevented the NK NP1, so you’re mechanically town confirmed. I will always vote Bullish tomorrow over you. And second it’s MYLO at that point so any “results” he gets are going to be lies anyways.
It's the only way he can win as scum at this point. I don't think you'll buy it, but I also don’t want to drag this game out. If Vader votes for Bullish, will you do the same? If he's town, we just vote Wylted afterwards. What arguments could he possibly use to defend himself?
My main worry is that Wylted has the extra NK and is a Vote Thief. There’s a cannibal serial killer who has a Burglary charge on him that makes perfect sense for a Vote Thief. Why worry about that at all when we can just lynch Wylted. Even if Bullish has the Vote Thief, it’s likely going to be 1x so we’re protected at MYLO anyways.
But to answer your question, if Vader votes Bullish, I’ll hammer. Just know the risk we’re taking
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@Vader
@Casey_Risk
I think lynching Wylted is safer because there’s no way in hell Bullish has the second NK.
@Casey
Roleblocker is a pseudo-investigative role as well because if there’s no kill, the person is definitely guilty. I think behaviorally Wylted is far more scummier than Bullish. And worst case, we get Bullish tomorrow.
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@Casey_Risk
I actually think voting Casey is less risky
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@Casey_Risk
Have to get back to work, but briefly, I'm fine with either order but I feel like it's just Bullish. Waiting for Vader to show up and share his thoughts but I just want to win this game today.
Aight, I think ur vote is already on him
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@Casey_Risk
What are the downsides with lynching Wylted vs Bullish from your POV and what reads do you have on both?
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Behaviorally I scumread Wylted more, but role wise it’s Bullish. Very tough call. And Supa is AWOL even though he should be leading this thing.
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@Bullish
I like your plan, but only issue is the fact that scum could have the second NK + a Vote Thief/Triplevoter/etc and the combination of those two is game over.
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@Bullish
regarding this flipped item in the OP1x Belt of Nipples: The receiver of this belt will feel pretty, and motivated, gaining a second use to their night action abilities that night, assuming they have one.does it affect the factional night kill?
I asked him in DMs and he said yes. Ask in DMs and he will def answer
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@Vader
You’re triple confirmed. What are your thoughts
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The only way we lose this is if scum have the 2nd NK + Vote Thief + we mislynch here.
Roleblocker doesn’t make much sense from a setup perspective. Tracker does though. And it makes sense if the 3rd scum is relatively powerful, and a RB or Vote Thief fits that MO.
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@WyIted
We could theoretically no lync alsoNot sure if that advances the game though
That’s not an option at all especially with the possibility of a second scum NK
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@WyIted
Hold on doesn't Austin have an item that could theoretically give him an extra NK
Did Austin give you anything last night?
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@WyIted
Hold on doesn't Austin have an item that could theoretically give him an extra NK
Yes, he does. I was thinking about that as well, but it wouldn’t do him any good unless it was in combo with a Vote Thief or Doublevoter. Interesting
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@Vader
@Bullish
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Did Austin give you an item last night?
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@WyIted
You aren't promising to lynch him next dp. Promise you will not even talk. Just simply vote bullshit next DP and I will lay on the sword.I will however take a nap before work so make up your mind while I am napping but it's absolutely retarded to drag this game out
I need to think of ways Bullish could theoretically win if he’s scum with his plan. But even if we lynch him, you get lynched tomorrow
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@WyIted
Not everyone.Just end the game bro. I don't know how post 73 is not a confession just put the nail in the coffin while lunatic is awake. Why are we dragging this out another DP
Why are you not happy? Take one for the team if you’re town. He can’t win no matter what he does.
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@Casey_Risk
I'm definitely willing to believe this. I was swayed somewhat by Pie's argument in #69, but now I'm back to thinking it has to be Bullish.Also, saying you'll roleblock the only claimed protective role who is mechanically confirmed is so scummy. Let's just lynch Bullish and win.
I disagree. His plan covers all bases. He can’t win even if we lynch Wylted today.
5-1 today
3-1 tomorrow assuming Wylted is town.
Even if Bullish is a Vote Thief, a 2-2 tie at MYLO means it’s wasted and goes to 2-1 tomorrow and Bullish still loses. If Luna had a 2x Vote Thief and allows its use at MYLO/LYLO, it’s basically bastard.
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@Bullish
@Casey_Risk
Do not lynch me. Since there is only 1 scum left, there is no ambiguity if I block the NK.Vader and Pie 1/2 are confirmed. There's only 3 of us in the PoE.We lynch Wylted. This NP I block Casey. If an NK happens just lynch me.If an NK does NOT happen then we actually gain an extra lynch because we avoid MyLo. In that case just lynch both me and casey.VTL Wylted.
I actually agree with this plan. It covers all of our bases.
If Wylted is scum, we win right here.
If Bullish is scum and NK goes through and we lynch Bullish for lying.
If Casey is scum, then NK doesn’t go through tomorrow and we gain a lynch and lynch both Bullish and Casey
Everyone should be happy here
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@Casey_Risk
I think Bullish has to be Town because look at Austin’s flip:
1x Chair Covered in Human skin: The receiver of this chair may use this to rest and recover an extra shot to any limited time use abilities, though they won’t be able to use it until the following night. They may not use this chair the same night they use another ability.
Bullish is the only claimed person who can use this. And it makes sense there’s at least one townie who can benefit from this from a balance POV. I also don’t think Savant and That2 would’ve made the same mistakes they did if Bullish was their partner vs Wylted. I’m leaving towards Wylted right now.
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@WyIted
So all you have to do to make something like pies role work is tell him one is scum and one isn't but don't tell him which is which. He also hasn't claimed yet unless I missed it. The only thing pie has to do with a wincon like that is just avoid being lynched and if his heart tells him town and it would than he would just hunt scum as normal but have his role as a back up.
I did claim. And this theory doesn’t make sense cause this means I win regardless of what happens. I can’t both be scum and town lol
I swear 2 out of the last 3 lunatic games had like flipping roles but it was at least one, so something like that makes sense.I think far more likely is Casey is scum. That CC literally 5 minutes after Casey claims makes no sense, so I am probably speculating too much about others but good God the game is over the second we lynch Casey and we need to stop overthinking it.VTL casey
Casey is mechanically confirmed town and so is Supa
The off chance she is town we can think about later. I think if she is town we force a no lynch or lynch one of towns people to test my theory. We probably no lynch and then if bullish is still around than we lynch him. I don't think pie is scum but I am not town clearing him that's retarded.I guess and this is a stream of consciousness I think yes the last scum is between Bullish and Casey. Roleblocker is a scummy sounding role anyway and it does the same thing as doctor. It prevents NKs .So we have Casey who is a doctor and bullish is essentially a doctor but I would call it a reverse doctor. Bullish claim is also a kinda CC but he was early on the savant lynch so I think lynch Casey and game is over but on the off chance it isn't we lynch bullish. If pie is town than he will probably have one of his characters killed so that will clear him.
Lol the game is over. Just quit. It’s mechanically confirmed that scum is you or Bullish
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@WyIted
Hold on. WTF why is Casey town?
How else do you explain the lack of NK? You tracked That2 to WF meaning she used Janitor on WF, butvWF didn’t die. Casey had to have saved WF. There’s no other way this works
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@Casey_Risk
Game is solved either way. Who do you wanna lynch first
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@Casey_Risk
BTW, has anyone else noticed that no one has claimed to have received an invention from Austin last night?
Austin gave it to him NP1 apparently and prob NP2 as well
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Game is solved. We lynch Wylted, and then we lynch Bullish.
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@Vader
Justification: This was on of the earliest serial killings where there were accomplices. Because of this, I am in the game as two players. I don’t have any night actions and am therefore Vanilla but as long as both partners are alive, I can vote twice; I have to specificy which Pie is voting though.
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1. Casey_Risk - Harold Shipman - Doctor
2. Bullish - John Wayne Gacy - 2x Roleblocker
3. iLikePie5 (1) - Dean Corll - Vanilla (Doublevoter as long as partner alive)
4. ILikePie5 (2) - Elmer Wayne Henly - Vanilla (Doublevoter as long as partner alive)
5. Supadudz - Ted Bundy - Popular
6. Wylted - Richard Ramirez - Tracker
Savant - Albert Fish - Messenger
That2 - Jeffrey Dahmer - Janitor
Whiteflame - Aileen Wuornos - Lover
Austin - Ed Gein - Inventor
So out of this list, Pie1, Pie2, and Casey are lock town. That leaves Bullish, Supa, Wylted as POE
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1. Casey_Risk - Harold Shipman - Doctor
2. Bullish - John Wayne Gacy - ???
3. iLikePie5 (1)
4. ILikePie5 (2)
5. Supadudz - Ted Bundy - Popular
6. Wylted - Richard Ramirez - Tracker
Savant - Albert Fish - Messenger
That2 - Jeffrey Dahmer - Janitor
Whiteflame - Aileen Wuornos - Lover
Austin - Ed Gein - Inventor
So out of this list, Pie1, Pie2, and Casey are lock town. That leaves Bullish, Supa, Wylted as POE
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So we know for a fact that Wylted and Casey cannot both be scum.
Wylted tracked That2 to WF last night.
Casey protected WF last night.
This means that Casey has to be town because otherwise the lack of NK doesn’t make sense. Wylted could still be scum though because he would know That2 tried to NK WF during NP1.
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@Vader
I feel like everyone alive has a case to be town and I don't see any scum tendancies from a behavior and a mechanical standpoint.Pie's role makes sense being my role but at the same time I am not fully convinced he could be town. I am not loving the hesistation to at least character claim 1 of his characters.
I’ve already said they’re intertwined in a way. And again, Bullish is on POE before me. Also if I was gonna fake claim, I wouldn’t have given Savsnt and That2 those atrocious claims.
He also said his characters are involved are 2 seperate entities. What if one of them was a 3p or something like that? I am not sure to be quite honest. Mechanically he makes sense as town just cuz bastard to have one be scum and one be town, but what if both are 3p?
So you’re saying the game began at MYLO at 6-4? That makes absolutely zero sense.
Casey is virtually town IMO. I thought there behaviort alligned with their town play with being very vocal, taking charge on certain topics, and not shying away from the debates. Then the whole doctor CC happens and the That2 flip scums and it just solidifies my read
Casey could be scum if this was an elaborate bus. I need to reread, but I generally agree with you
To be honest I don't really have strong behavioral reads but my gut is telling me town because I feel like you were mad asf with Luna for being a nerd about the theme that you tried to be the same way when it came to this game. I don't know how town affiliated plus the only un CC'd investigative role makes it hard for me to think you are anything less than townBullish is null. I feel like his initial reactions are towny and I get the vibe but I also can not remember a game where Bullish is scum. He was also hard on that2 pretty quickly and stayed consistently on Savant. I do agree with Pie where I find it weird that he asked for a mass claim and still hasn't revealed his claim yet... I also can't remember the last time I played in a game where Bullish was mafia so if someone has a link to that perfect
Bullish is definitely Top POE rn
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Also as a precaution, before we lynch today, we should test out Supa’s popular claim again
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Also as a precaution, before we lynch today, we should test out Supa’s popular claim again
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@Vader
Is there a reason you are adamentally waiting vs claiming now that's based on your role mechanic, or is you just being stubborn
POE should go first. I’ll reveal after him.
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@Vader
I kinda want a claim out of you for both of your personas tbh. It's not that I think you are scum but I think since everyone at the minimum has outted their character I feel like you should too at least. Maybe not role but I am still very confused about that role and feel like at this point with the DP and being L-1 there is no point to not claim what is going on with you
I will, after Bullish
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I honestly townread everyone alive: Wylted, Bullish, Supa, Casey.
Super annoying
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Let’s see:
It’s 5-1 right now.
If we No Lynch today, it goes 4-1, but we get a second result from Wylted no matter what cause Casey outs if Wylted is not protected, which can clear someone else. Supa + someone + me would be game over for whoever is left. Only flaw is there being a potential Ninja, which would be likely with the Ninja.
I have a hard time scum reading Bullish. Mass character claiming makes the Janitor redundant. Why even put forth that idea in the first place?
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@Casey_Risk
No one, because I'm the Odd-Night Doctor. I'm genuinely surprised I'm still alive right now. I thought I'd be dead for sure after yesterday. But maybe scum thought I would have protected myself and therefore chose to target Austin instead.
Interesting. You’re the only odd/even mechanic so far. Should be fine though
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@Vader
I still can't wrap my head around the CC lol what was even the point
It was a shitty one too. So obvious That2 was scum
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@WyIted
Your 2 character thing is also freaking me out but there is still a killing role out apparently so that may not fit my theory
It’s scum with the killing role.
Your 2 character thing is also freaking me out but there is still a killing role out apparently so that may not fit my theory
They have to kill one of my two slots before LYLO. They don’t have a choice.
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@Casey_Risk
Based on timestamps, I think That2 typed up her message at the same time I was typing mine and therefore didn't see mine until she hit send. Just some very unfortunate happenstance for the scum team. It's the only explanation that makes sense to me.
Why not stick with the Weak Hider claim though. Sure it was sus, but changing your character and even that to a non-SK is just atrocious
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I will also note that scum have to kill either Pie1 or Pie2 tonight or tomorrow night, otherwise they automatically lose. So we should be going in with a couple of heavy townies on MYLO
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@WyIted
Is it possible to wear don't have scum left but maybe a 3rd party SK who targeted whiteflame the same day as that2?
Why was there only 1 NK NP2 tho?
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@WyIted
It's Richard Ramirez. He is known as the night stalker. The nickname came from a movie of a vampire killer at the time and it was thought that Ramirez was tracking his victims.Vader is clear by the way. He went nowhere. I will say there was silliness last DP. Why did the CC happen that way? It almost feels staged.
I was thinking the exact same thing. What was the point of That2 CCing Casey. Didn’t make much sense. I genuinely can see a bus here. Something to keep an eye on ig
I also still have not used Austin's gift he gave me. I will say he lied about what the gifts did last DP for some reason.
Yes it’s obvious he did based on his flip. Makes sense though tbh
I want to see full claims from everyone and a list of actions so far. You are online you might as well start.
I will full claim after Bullish since he should be POE for everyone rn, but he was on Savant very early if I remember correctly. If it was a bus that early, I would be impressed.
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