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according to who exactly? And you just said he wasn't managing anything. Now is in in charge of co-ordination? Either he is managing or he isn't. 

So he is a secretary? He takes messages and passes them along. He isn't managing anything or even doing anything that a 10 year old couldn't do. 

They are criticizing him for mismanagement of a crisis. That is a very good reason. 

umm no. Democrats didn't agree to the cuts, that is why they didn't happen. It was trump and his lapdog republicans in congress thought it was a good idea to cut funding to all the agencies we need to protect us. 

I know, he would rather them die locked on a boat. He is such a compasionate man. 

It wasn't the CDC that was the problem. It was employees of the department of health. But if resources were being managed effectively, that would never have happened. Trump, and his administration, are managing the response to this crisis. It is their ineptitude that caused government employees to not be trained or provided protective equipment. 

I think their goal is to keep people from being under the 15% line in California. Recent polling showed everyone but bernie under that line. If bernie had been the only "viable" candidate he would have netted a huge amount of delegates and may have gotten a majority before the convention. 

If 1 or 2 other candidates are viable then sanders' lead going into the convention will be smaller and then they can rig the contested convention. The move is aimed at allowed them to subvert democracy. 

ok. so you assume he is doing nothing. Then the big announcement means nothing and they need to announce who is actually running things since pence is too incompetent. 

Who? That is the whole point. Trump made a big show of putting someone in charge. You are saying he isn't actually in charge and isn't doing anything. So no one is managing this crisis as far as you know. 

your point was that democrats shouldn't obstruct it. I explained that they aren't and your point was invalid. 

what are you talking about? congress approves the money, but they don't actually have any role in managing the crisis. That is trump's job. Maybe he should get to work. 

Agreed. Trump tried hard to screw over america, the democrats refused to let him. And now here we are with a perfect example of how the democrats are working hard to save america from trump. 

No, they were ordered to go. Trump's team provided no training and no gear. That is a failure of management. And you know who is in charge of that? Trump. 

There was some kind of backroom deal. Someone offered him something to drop out before super tuesday. Either Biden or Bloomberg bribed him. 

He will probably try to expand SCOTUS to 15 seats like FDR

You mean we get to keep our constitutional rights?

so in your mind, the job means absolutely nothing. He isn't managing anything.

Then who is managing it? Do you think the president (the guy who called it a hoax) is managing it?

Democrats pushed him to ask for the funding. They want him to ask for more. 

ok, no one has suggested refusing to provide any and all resources the government needs to handle the crisis. So please don't pretend that anyone has. 

But their bungling is going to get alot of people killed. For example Trump has been trying to cut funding to the agencies needed to handle this. When they sent people to transport the american's on that cruise ship, they gave them no training and no protective gear. They showed up and found CDC employees in safety equipment and they didn't even have a mask. They had face to face contact with infected people and had no protective gear.

It affects other people when you make us pay for the student loans of people with stupid degrees that they would never be able to get a job with. Their stupidity affects me when I have to pay for the healthcare costs of obese drug addicts under M4A. When I have to pay unemployment benefits and food stamps towards people who refuse to work, I am paying for their stupidity. 9 out of 10 plans Democrats propose involve me paying for someone else’s misfortune or stupidity.

he is running the show. He is managing it. And what experience he does have in this field is extremely bad.

If trump came out and said something like "i was wrong, this is serious" then fine. At least he would be showing that he is trying to deal with it. As far as I know he hasn't done that. In fact he is calling it a hoax. 

How does me not criticizing the incompetence and mismanagement of a crisis help Americans? If you want to help americans you need to criticize them so they get off their ass and actually handle this crisis. Letting them off the hook with no criticism will only get more americans killed. 

How do you believe population sizes and peoples beliefs would cause a universal system in the United States to fail? 

Also there have been financial projections showing that Bernies healthcare plan would save millions. 

Wouldn't you agree that it would be unwise to point to one failed system to represent every single other universal system?

What about Switzerland or other developed countries which have successful universal systems?

What specifically? All the sources say that obamacare and romney care had the same core designs. So what exactly was in obamacare that was the problem?

I'm not. It was a right wing plan that, even if the republicans hadn't sabotaged it, didn't go anywhere near far enough to fix the problems. My point is to show you that the republicans called obama a communist when he was proposing slight modifications of a republican plan. This is why no one under 45 cares about the words socialist or communist any more. The right has removed all meaning from the words and laid the ground work for sanders to win. 

the problem was that he didn't ram it down their throat. He wasted tons of time and energy trying to get them to behave like adults. Meanwhile the republicans did everything they could to sabotage and attack the ACA for political gain. If he had just rammed a progressive medicare plan through without worrying what those hacks thought, he would have been much better off. 

except that it very much does. you going bankrupt or dying affects others. You are not an island with no effect on the people around you and society. When you massively screw yourself over with stupidity, society and the people around you suffer too. That is why we banned things like driving without a seatbelt. There is no reason that anyone should do it and it only hurts people. 

another way of saying that is "republicans sabotaged a core component of the ACA in order to destroy a beloved american program without it looking like it's their fault"

agreed. In 2008 obama promised changes, then failed to enact them by acting like a moderate republican. Now the people are going to push for someone who will actually carry through on those promises. 

oh, so how is that healthcare reform coming? Oh right, they've done nothing. immigration reform? Oh yeah, they've done nothing. Social policies that help poor and working class people? Oh right, they keep cutting them. Yes they really help the people lol. 

The ACA was an olive branch to the republicans. Obama wanted a bipartisan reform that the republicans could agree to. So he mostly used one of their plans. But they behaved like petty children and attacked their own plan just to spite him. 

Passing legislation without any GOP votes wasn't a partisan hack thing to do, it was literally the only thing that could happen. The GOP refused to actually discuss what health care reform they wanted. All they wanted to do was attack. Obama's options were pass something without them, or pass nothing and let the situation get worse. He did what any president should do in the face of petulant children trying to hurt the people they were elected to help. 

Refusing to hold a hearing violated all previously set norms. No one has ever refused to hold a hearing for a SC pick before. McConnell found a new way to act like a petulant child in order to stop the president from doing his job. He made up a flimsy excuse that he has already acknowledged is a lie. 

Obama tried to work across the isle with republicans and they did nothing but attack him for it. The republicans made no attempt to work with Obama.

You view it more important that people get choices in healthcare than people's lives? 

You might have mentioned this, I haven’t read it all, but didn’t the Democrats use the nuclear option to make appointments only require a simple majority instead of 60 just to get Obama court picks in?

No word should be uttered with the intent to hurt, demean, or embarrass another person. But if you do, accept your consequences.

Speaking of partisan hackery, how about DACA, for which we had no ability to vote. Abusing executive orders is worse than any blocking McConnell did

Trump has been cutting funding to the agencies america now needs to deal with this crisis. He put Pence, a man famous for causing an HIV outbreak, in charge of fighting it. He keeps outright lying about the seriousness of the issue. 

Pointing out how horribly this looming disaster is being handled is a perfectly reasonably thing to do. 

Trump asked his crowd at his SC rally who they wanted to see as his opponent, and the crowd picked Bernie 2 to 1 over sleepy Joe.

With MSNBC and CNN comparing him to Nazi's and constantly attacking him, the fact that it is that low is a good sign. Once Sanders win, MSNBC and CNN will have no choice but bend the knee, just like Fox did once it became clear trump was going to win. 

are you aware that sanders has the highest support among latinos by a sizable margin?

are you aware that recent polling shows sanders at number one among black voters nationally?

There is really only 3 ways this goes.

1) sanders win a majority of delegates and the DNC is powerless to do anything to stop him

2) sanders wins the plurality of delegates, but is too afraid of destroying their party to steal it from him

3) sanders win the plurality of delegates. The DNC uses super delegates to steal the nomination and destroy their party in a desperate bid to stop him. 

There is no other way this goes. 

merrick garland was a moderate candidate who had been repeatedly praised by republicans. Obama picked him because he was a candidate that everyone could agree on. McConnell refused to even hold hearings because he knew there were no real objections to him and he wanted to prevent Obama from being able to do what he is constitutionally supposed to do. It was a partisan hack thing to do. 

Ok, so rather than acknowledge that it was based on a republican plan, you just move the goal posts and try to say a republican isn't republican enough for it to count. 

Romney care and the ACA do have differences, but they are extremely similar plans. The reason the republicans attacked the ACA but passed romneycare is based on who suggested the idea, not the idea itself. 

It did implode, because the republicans sabotaged it. They spent years attacking it and trying to water it down until it was completely unworkable. Obama's mistakes were 1) picking a right wing plan to begin with 2) trying to negotiate with them. He should have rammed a real healthcare plan down their throats. 

This is stupid. As a society we decided that people don't have the right to drive without wearing a seat belt. They don't have the right to drive without car insurance. There are all kinds of ways that we restrict freedom because we know it is in everyone's best interest. There is no good reason to not have health insurance. Everyone needs it. Everyone will get sick or injured at some point. So saying that you should have the "freedom" to be completely screwed over or die is just moronic. 

Then why didn't they pitch their own plan? No republican has suggested a plan to fix healthcare for decades. Obama came up with a suggestion, based primarily on republican ideas, and they refused to negotiate. They refused to discuss what could be fixed. They just attacked it, lied about it and smeared it in the media. All they cared about was a political victory. 

The republicans in congress have proved they have no interest in working together to improve the american peoples' lives. Their only interest is partisan hackery that will help them win elections. They will sabotage anything the democrats try to accomplish. Under those circumstances, talking to them is not only a waste of time, but it actually gives them more opportunities to sabotage you. Obama should have just told the american people "this is the plan i am going to implement" then completely ignored the republican hacks and passed it. At least then we would have gotten a working plan

The "right side of history" is inevitably rewritten by the cabal of academic elites.

romneycare passed in in 2006. I think it is you who doesn't know what they are talking about. 

This is exactly my point. The ACA was based on republican healthcare plans, but as soon as Obama proposed slightly modified version of their ideas, they all came out against it. The reason no republicans supported it is they don't actually care about helping people, they just wanted to trash anything obama suggested for political points. 

this is just getting sad. You said it took away americans ability to choose their healthcare. I explained how it in no way prevented americans from choosing any healthcare they wanted. You then acted like i didn't disprove your point. 

I agree, obama wasn't anywhere near aggressive enough. He tried to negotiate with the republicans thinking they would act like reasonable adults and cooperate to create a reasonable plan. Instead they threw tantrums and sabotaged the plan in every single way they could. In the end the plan got watered down so much that it barely functioned. Obama should have put forward a much more aggressive healthcare plan and then shoved it down those bastards throats since they were going to fight literally anything he did anyway. 

no, it is very much true. It was modeled on Romneycare and primarily designed by a right wing think tank. If a republican president had suggested it, it would have been pushed through by republicans, not democrats. The reason they opposed it was because Obama was the one suggesting it. It was still a republican plan though.

there would have been if the republicans weren't complete hypocrites. the ACA was a republican plan (as described above). But when a democrat pushed it suddenly it wall all about death panels and some nonsense. There was no common ground because the republicans were determined to sabotage any plan obama suggested, even if it was their plan. 

how? It took away their right to choose to not have healthcare at all.

But it didn't force them to pick a specific plan. They still very much had the right to choose their healthcare. 

How would I deny them that?

Only I did not say black people can say it. I said anyone can say anything, but that it is not always OK to say anything because of history, perception, and intent.

The easiest way to fix poverty is to increase the supply of, and/or reduce the demand for, food, health care, and shelter.

The democratic party does not stand for personal liberty anymore.

The ACA was a republican plan.

Obama picked it because he wanted to find common ground to get healthcare reform passed.

It was only after it became Obama's plan that republican's decided it was communism. 

Do you think that losing means you were in the wrong?

Shut up, Warren 2020 end of discussion.

No. His ideas are right in line with what lots western countries are doing. He is only considered far left because the 2 parties in america are far right and center right when it comes to economic policy. Anyone left of center seems "far left" when your frame of reference is a all right wing policy.