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My first thought was man vs woman tbf

Okay, now this is a more interesting argument. I looked him up and from what I can tell, he is only known for two murders (which he confessed to) but is suspected of more. That does make his claim somewhat sus tbh, though maybe Luna is just using a loose definition of serial killer here. 

Pressing Bullish feels like a good move

I've only read the first page. My guy is definitely a rapist, although my PM makes no mention of rape. Also my role justification is pretty shit. Are we doing mass character claims? I think we should. 

Also we should test vader's claim. Part of the reason I fake claimed popular 2 games ago was because that claim was untestable. 

I've been reading up on some serial killers, and man, the police are retarded.

Giving it some more thought after reading your posts.

First off, I think it's interesting that this happened at all. Luna had two back-ups, so you're not simply filling an empty Town slot. He would have just given you a double voter role if he wanted you to have two votes. So that suggests that whatever role you have is specifically built with splitting you across two separate characters. They could share a role or they could be two separate roles that somehow interrelate. I haven't decided which yet. To be clear, I'm not fishing for an answer because I'm honestly more intrigued to see this play out right now than I am to just get an explanation from you.

As for how that could play out, I suppose it's not utterly impossible that you're scum. There could be a Lone Wolf in this game and one of you could be that role, while the other could be a TP. That being said, part of the reason I don't believe this is the same reason I don't believe you're a scum/town pair: I can't see you functioning at cross purposes for yourself to try and satisfy two entirely distinct wincons. It's the same problem with you being TP/town, though I guess the TP could be Survivor or something that just wins independently.

So most likely you're town/town. It's the easiest explanation anyway and one that doesn't invite a whole lot of other questions about why you'd have two separate characters that pursue distinct and potentially clashing ends. It's not impossible that that scenario would exist, particularly as this is new territory regardless, but that's my assumption right now.

Yeah, I buy this. It does fit Ted Bundy, but more importantly, I just can't see Vader claiming this as scum after last game. Maybe that's naive of me, but it didn't exactly work out well for WyIted, and Vader was on that scum team.

I am getting town vibes from pie 1 not pie 2 so much

VTL Pie 2

pie you just town?

i can see the endgame turning out differently depending which pie is in elo/last to die

No as in both your roles are aligned with some third party faction.

If I vote for Pie, do I have to specify which clone I'm voting for, or can I just do this? 

VTL Pie 

Tell me something only the real you would know. 

Tell me about the rapes right now.

You could also be a third party.

Well mine wasn't for policy lynching reasons lol 

pie sitting on that isaac claim just daring wylted to claim it lmao 

Following you still made sense absent of that, in the same way it makes sense to track a claimed vanilla. Not sure if he took that into account when following you, but it was a wise move and you were already the subject of discussion the previous phase. Had wylted not been lynched, you were likely the next target I would have chosen, even if some of it were for the wrong reason lol

Btw now I see why you were so defensive of the logic of why a cop with bad justification was likely to exist lmaoooo

I have an result on Vader that strongly indicates he's the last scum.

I am Drolta Tzuentes. Since I aim to serve my goddess, Sekhmet, in any way I can, I am the Follower. Each night, I can target a player and find out the type of action they used, if any.

I targeted Vader and he used a killing and manipulative action.

I was townreading him initially, but the way he hopped onto Wylted near the end of the DP out of nowhere felt like opportunistic bussing, and the other advantage is that being a Miller claim, there'd be no possible way for him to explain away a positive result, if any.

I've never seen anyone be silenced in mafia so Luna's role is interesting af

Either you were right with Casey being evil or I was right with her being good, I wanted to see who was right between us

Casey visited Luna in the night and became silenced

I am the tracker

VTL Luna

claim

I am trolling. I am really town I just thought this would be a cool way to confirm myself. I am isaac

I am good I meant mercenary captain let's ynch lunatic nowl

I am a disciplined soldier. It mentions fighting beside sypha and Trevor so I assume they are in the game and it mentions that my rank means it takes one extra vote to lynch me. 

It's not much information honestly.

Which post did you reveal yourself to not be Isaac? And which character are you? I know it wasn't a hard claim, given the sequel show is admissible; but I would bet all of our minds went to Isaac.

My PM said you appear guilty on all reports. I wasn't sure if it meant all or just specifically cop reports so that's why i asked? Why are you suggesting that this should have been implied lol?

I heard back from Whiteflame but apparently my miller compasses everything investigative and not just cop. That’s honestly really weird and I’ve never heard of that before so do with it as you will. Going to be like pie and keep pinging for more clarification

Good v. Evil theme split is not what I am advocating, I only know I am town and Maria is on the same side as me, implying Casey is town too

I need to see Nocturne but I have 0 reason to believe Casey is a wolf based on her character claim

On an unrelated note, one thing thats tripping me up, is that if supa is town, that means there would have to be a cop. I CANNOT THINK OF A CHARACTER THAT MAKES SENSE AS COP. Maybe as I finish Nocturne tonight I'll have this solved, but there is literally nothing in s1-4 that makes sense as a cop. I can maybe think of one character having justification for a cop based on a scene that happens, but it’s a very big stretch for cop and never happens again. I can see justifications for trackers/watchers maybe but Cop? What the hell character would be a cop?! Again maybe I'll figure this out as I watch Nocturne. 

As for this game, yes, there is a theme split. After some consideration, I've decided that Mafia will be given the same opportunity that they've received a lot in recent games: they will learn of two roles and two characters over the course of the first DP with regards to their presence in the game. I will do my best to answer any questions beyond that, which can be posed to me by PM or publicly. I will try to post vote counts often over the course of each DP.

This is why, you're basing me/Casey to be scum on your character, if I knew your character I'd know why you think this and talk with you to see why you're wrong on my character

Who is your character?