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@Greyparrot
whats the ???? on savants kill?
Thats what we’re trying to figure it, just hold on Your Crabliness
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@Vader
What is an Insurgent?
No clue, she hasn’t said how it works, just that it’s a “killing role”
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@Barney
@Mharman
@AustinL0926
I’ll say that I still don’t like Banana. I also mentioned in DP that I thought Banana was hyperbolizing the 14 post. Savant said nothing about it even though he had 14 posts. I even said something along the lines of “no one has claimed something with 14 post,” and Savant was quiet about that. My current read is that Savant was scum, and Supa shot correctly. Because he shot correctly and scum didn’t expect Supa would be a Vig, Supa wasn’t manipulated. The flip also establishes the long PM standard. I think we’re also forgetting that it’s conceivable Scum Banana could actually have a killing role, and she’s telling the truth about that piece. My only hesitation is why CC. I’d guess that it’s because she was already exposed with the PM link, and if she gets hammered or whatever, the hammerer dies due to her role. The behavior for Banana is also off, and the arguments she’s making about balance and two killing roles make more sense coming from someone more experienced vs Banana
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@iamanabanana
Town Insurgent.
Great, now we’re getting somewhere.
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@iamanabanana
I am a killing role with the ability to kill someone. That's my role.
The specific name of your role. Supa is claiming Vigilante. Casey was Activist. What’s yours?
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@iamanabanana
I've already given it to you. But thats fine, you wanna lynch me, do it, just pay close attention to my wagon and punish those on it. I will take vader or maybe someone else with me. I will consider if it's likely there are two town killing roles, but I just don't think so.
You haven’t given your role. I would like to know what your role is to be able to make a decision.
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@iamanabanana
I was told by the mod I can't :/ all I can say is someone visited me, and I rejected them.
You were told by Wylted that you can’t explain?
If I say it defeats the purpose of my role
Let me put it this way. You full claim, or we lynch you. I don’t care if it defeats the purpose of your role
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@Vader
There we two kills the DP. One by myself on savant and then the kill on CaseyI got to 3 votes in the DPIf I do not get 3 votes this DP, I do not get a vig shotIf there is only 1 kill in the next NP, then this legit confirms my role
That’s WIFOM, you could just waive
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@iamanabanana
I basically have. I am only not elaborating on the specific functionality of my killing utility, because doing so will defeat its purpose. You would do the same in my shoes if you knew what role I had.
Doesn’t matter what I would do. I’m telling you that you need to come clean.
You just have to ask yourself why would I lie about this as scum, and do you believe town would have two killing powers?
I’m not going to indulge in WIFOM until you come clean.
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@iamanabanana
I am wylted thoughts on the hamas vs israel debate, I am a killing role, because the subject is hamas.
Can you elaborate on justification?
And to whoever visited me last night, I defy you.
Explain.
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I don't think I should be the one claiming in this instance. For one if I do, it completely makes my role useless. I am claiming a town killing role is all I am going to say. I obviously didn't kill someone, you did, and your reasons seem very shoddy. And you hid his flip which makes it even more suspicious. Hoping people will see the writing on the wall here and vote for you.
If you’re CCing, you need to full claim. Hell now, you definitely need to full claim regardless.
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@Banana
Are you also saying that you’re responsible for killing Savant?
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VTL Vader.I am counterclaiming him, kind of. He obviously is some sort of killing role, but I don't think he is town. I am a killing role too, and I am town, and two town killing roles seems very overpowered. I think he is likely mafia or third party.
Character, role, and justification please
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@Mharman
Give examples of what you mean. I'm not buying it.
Examples of what?
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@Vader
I genuinely don't know. You know the roles are weird asf in a Wylted game so I don't know. All I know is that I shot Savant.
Yep, that much is true. What stands out to me is Savant’s long ass post. Reminds me of Banana’s long ass post. Coincidentally, it’s about Israel just like hers
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@Mharman
And how does that relate to scum messing up?
Behavioral reads, CCs, etc. I was mainly looking for behavioral reads based on people reads/reactions to Casey. Congratulations, you passed the test
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@Vader
Hello everyone. So we see 2 kills that happened during the NP and I am going to take credit for one of the kills. Last night I shot Savant. My character is “are incels right”. My role is called Blackpilled and each night if I get 3 votes during the DP I gain a vig shot. He was my top scum read during DP1 and some of his behavior just seemed. The justification for my role was I don’t like rejection and people who have sex have to pay so I gain a vig from having votes on me. The paragraph was that incels are ugly as fuck anyway and they should take the black pill and accept their fate and pay for sex because having sex makes you happy. Long ass justification so idk if we hit town but yeah. I win with the town
So why is Savant flip less?
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@Mharman
So, what was the scum slip up you were looking for?
I actually was given Casey’s full role PM at the start of the DP as a part of my role. Go reread our interactions and I heavily hinted it.
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@Savant
I don't know if I trust this. How would be even confirm it?
We can’t, that’s why we lynch him.
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@Earth
I'll fullclaim if I must, but I feel like I am playing as I usually do lol.
I disagree. What are your reads?
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@Mharman
I do have one question. Barney raised the idea of 3P… I don’t like his specific choice of a 3P pick, but I did find that GP’a claim could align with a 3P cultist.What do you think are the odds of third party?
I generally don’t like it when someone brings up a TP. But if GP was a TP, he would say he was. I gave him a TP role in one my games and he claimed it as TP.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@Casey_Risk
@Owen_T
Pressure Earth please
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@Earth
@Mharman
Yeah, I have noticed He only seems to refute the case on Banana and has provided no scumreads outside of that. Not a fan of it.
His scumplay is hiding behind the scenes. Though he also does that as town. It’s NAI now that I thinking about it, but I think as town I’ve seen him go after people a little more enthusiastically. If we go with the theory that there’s at least a couple scum in the inactives, Earth and JoeBob stand out the most to me. I’m fine getting a claim from one of them and moving forward from there.
Unvote
VTL Earth for full claim
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@Barney
Anyone else have a non-religious claim?
Mine talks about souls, so Ig no
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@Greyparrot
Just make sure you guys identify the scum on Pie's lynch
God will protect me 🙏
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@Earth
I have no idea why we are sussing banana. She was clear the first time.
Who do you sus and why?
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For pie and luna and anyone still asking about my stupid role PM: I am sorry I didn't clarify this earlier, but my role justification and my role are in the first message, completely SEPERATE from the other 13 messages. The other 13 messages are like a journal entry or something. I know what my justification and role is without reading all that. Are you happy now? I guess I should have been more specific, didn't think you all would read into it so much...Anyways catching up now
I suggest your read those 13 other pages.
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@Greyparrot
Pie is town
Crabs are town. You are a Crab. Therefore, you are town
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@Mharman
Let's say you’re actually both town and know something. Do you think mafia knows that same piece of information that you know?
No
Additionally, do you townread Casey? I assume you do, considering you accused me off buddying her earlier.
Yes I do
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@Lunatic
I am pretty behind, I am not usually active til Tuesday as Saturday Sunday Monday are my weekends. not sure I’ll have a chance to catch up today. Mharman go fuck yourself, your entire read on me makes no sense as you agreed with me about banana needing to read her on you just created excuses for her and I didn’t. So fuck you and your “need” for me to claim this day phase.Anyways to the rest of you I’ll be more active after tuesday
You should read what he said to me lol
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@Mharman
Here's a question: Were you informed of other parties knowing what you know?
Idk what you mean. Give me an example/scenario
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@Mharman
Interesting take, considering the primary reason for my sus on you is your read on Banana. I wonder what reasons for me being scum you're about to invent, now that no one is buying your read on Banana.
I’ve already said why I scumread you.
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@Mharman
Nahhh this a devious strawman XD. All to defend the idea that Owen is scum because he's giving reads. You know why scum gives reads to blend in? Because townies give reads. Noobs have to learn to read people eventually. To accuse a noob of "blending in" for such a thing is crazy talk.
I’m saying it’s a behavior change. I scumread behaviors changes, until I get information to the contrary. I believe Owen’s claim and his role, which is why I moved him to my town pile.
I didn't say you said you did. I do feel scum Pie would still do it for town cred. You do need to proclaim yourself inherently town for the information to gain town cred, you just need townies to do so.
If my name wasn’t Pie, you would be townreading me is what you’re saying. That’s fine, you’re entitled to that opinion. You’re either paranoid that I’m scum when I’m not (which I’ll remind you has happened more than a few times), or you’re scum wanting to get rid of a strong player like me.
Because you want some minmax where scum is gonna screw up? I think it's clear at this point that they aren't gonna.
Oh they still might. It really depends.
Tell me, how is scum gonna screw up? If anything you might as well claim some things to get the suspicious off ya, cause I'm not going away.
The information I reveal is doesn’t concern you. Idrc whether you go away or not, cause I’m not going to go away either from you
Go ahead and explain why Banana saying she had a lot of messages, got what she needed, and didn't read the rest is a scumtell, and not something like lazy play from a more casual player. I seem to remember Banana's rant about "tryharding men" from a while ago, don't you? And what about Whiteflame's point about how she's only likely to list the number of messages if she actually had them?
She’s a radical liberal who hates men and think they’re oppressors of women. She also knows that justifications are important. I don’t believe she got 14 pages. I think it’s hyperbolic. Speaking of pages. Does she mean posts? 14 big posts from Wylted? And then she supposedly knew it was about Israel Hamas but didn’t bother to read it. I don’t buy it. You can scumread me for it all you. I had Casey pinged DP1 when everyone townread her.
My point was that what Banana here is doing is different compared to Bo Burnham. I will say that you are being pretty aggressive in your read toward Banana tho ;)
Scumplay is more likely to evolve than townplay imo. Just look at Casey last game. I am being aggressive. I am aggressive by nature.
Anyway, the strawmans are making me scumread you even harder.
What strawman are you talking about? I’m replying to what my understanding of your comment is.
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@Casey_Risk
Honestly, that's really tough for me to say. I know what sort of information Pie knows, but I don't know how or the extent to which he knows the information, and I doubt he's going to be very forthcoming about any of that until the end of this DP at least.
At this point, scum know that I know something about you. You have more of a gated community around you since no one suspects you.
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@Mharman
So… if you do happen to be wrong on Banana, would you see where I’m coming from here?
If I’m wrong on Banana, it has nothing to do with you. I’m reading you independent of Banana.
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@Mharman
… for giving reads. That’s a new one.
So you’re saying scum don’t try to blend it by giving reads?
Because your “information” could be anything. And even if you have some, it doesn’t inherently make town, based on what Casey just said.
Nothing makes me inherently town. I never said my information makes me town, did I?
Town cred is the key, and you could either be informed scum, or faking such information as scum in the information is whatever you want it to be.
I knew this information at the beginning of the DP. The information is clear. If you think I’m scum, Wylted gave me the info at the start of the game, and I explicitly chose to say this information out loud this DP. You’re welcome to believe that
Your response to my points on Banana were such egregious logic that I was gonna go for it anyway.
If ya say so. I still stand by my “logic.”
Talking about Bo Burnham, where she pushed for you off of low activity. That was a shitty push. So was the current one on Banana.
I’ve pushed people for shitty activity myself. It wasn’t that. It was the aggression that made me scumread Banana. There’s a difference.
lol :)
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Updated Reads:
Town: Pie, GP, Owen, Vader, Austin, Casey
Null: Luna, Earth, WF, Joe, Barney, Savant
Scum: Mharman, Banana
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