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I was considering it. Austin rbed me though, so it wouldn't have made a difference.

GG! I'm still a bit disappointed that I lost in the end, but I managed to make it all the way to LYLO after my partner got lynched DP1 without it being obvious that I was scum. I feel like I could have still won if I put more effort in after the first day. Oh, well. If anything, this game helped prove to me that I do actually have what it takes to be a good scum player. One day, I will get a win as scum that doesn't involve being carried by my partner while a townie throws, lol. 

In retrospect, idk if it was a good idea to give the doctor the faction perk. It put a big spotlight on you, and you were the only protective role besides Austin.

In this case, you were the protection, just couldn’t protect yourself. For what it’s worth, I absolutely would have if I could.

Last thing until later: I wanna thank Pie publicly for helping with something after he died. I had an interaction that didn’t think about too much cause it wasn’t in the game (someone asked about it) and I didn’t have a good answer. He helped me out with that one

Pie, I feel like ur the first nk so often when ur town LOL.

Pie - Protect Lunatic

It usually goes up anyway. Going back to where it was is still falling behind.

There must be a way to do this without crashing the stock market.

Curious what they are lol. Unless you don't want to give that away until after the game.

Well, some of them. For further clarification, I mean that town’s abilities will always be protected from abilities the prevent them from being carried out on their intends target. Some scum counters will still work.

I’ll vote by 8 PM EST. If Vader hasn’t posted by then, he can post his reads next DP.

Scum does have a faction perk, yes

Full Reads:

Town:

Pie - Cause he loves Pie



Lean Town:


Lunatic - He’s probably my best town read at the moment. As scum, I’m confident that he would join me in getting Casey’s claim for more information. The fact he wants to limit information is townie and a noticeable difference.

Vader - I like Supa’s claim. I don’t think scum would fake claim it unless they were given it by Mharman because it can easily be disproven by the lack of a Town Watcher/Tracker. There is a scenario where he could be scum claiming this, which is why I rank him below Luna.


Tilt Town:

Savant - With Savant, I think I have to judge him by how scummy he looks in determining whether he’s town or not. The previous two games he was super scummy and turned out to be town. There are some statements he’s said that seem scummy to me meaning he’s probably town. Weird logic but I think his only scummy game, he was caught immediately with a slip.


Null:

Whiteflame - I’ve always said WF is hard to read, and I got complacent last game in my belief. The player action vs non-player action now that I slept on it could give him as scum information into possible fake claims with the categories. I’m going to rely on POE for him.

Austin - With him, he either outs immediately or is impossible to catch as scum. Nothing he’s stated seems scummy to me, so it’s probably going to come down to POE like Whiteflame. There was one statement that he made that felt off, and I will come back to it tomorrow depending on what happens


Lean Scum:

Wylted - There’s not much going on. He hasn’t posted much. Last game as town he was silenced so he was forced to be inactive, but this time it’s different. It’s ringing alarms in my head. As town I’d expect him to start POE immediately, but there’s nothing here.

Casey - I’ve stated that Casey’s behavior was off to me. The aggression doesn’t make sense to me at all. I get the argument that scum wouldn’t put themselves out like that, which I personally disagree with since I’ve done it a lot. If Greyparrot flips town, then they need to claim first thing tomorrow.

Greyparrot: His behavior is also different. The thing that bothers me the most is the posting of reads of his own volition. That combined with the role being scummy makes me think he’s scum. I would’ve liked a little more reassurance since GP is GP.

Faction perk implies scum has a roleblocker. Vader's claim implies scum has a ninja. If both are true, that doesn't really leave room for a scum role cop. If GP is scum, maybe the rber is third party.

I don’t know why you keep saying this as though it’s general knowledge. We are privy to the existence of a bonus for being on the lynch if you are scum, or being off the lynch if you aren’t. Why are you assuming that scum gets a bonus for hammering? Where’s that coming from?

As an aside, Pie is definitely acting a lot more passive than I've seen him as town.

Don't like him popping in solely to address Savant's FoS. He's also heavily focused on talking about mechanics rather than behavioral analysis.

I don't view it as a smoking gun, but as a contrast to his town meta, it definitely pinged me.

Remember, town’s faction perk is not activated on days with a no-lynch

Wait Greyparrot's role is 1X? Idk how I missed that, and it makes the role way more scummy. Only reason for 1x is if it's high utility, and role cop is much higher utility for scum.

It probably wouldn't hurt to have GP use his role on Vader since it's unlikely they are scum partners, but I don't see another great lynch target for today.

Slight scum on Pie rn tbh. Going back through his posts, I sense a lot of just going through the motions.

Also there's this question he asked Mharman: "Have you given fake claims and/or fake roles to scum"

Mharman said he couldn't answer. There's a good chance Pie confirmed beforehand that Mharman couldn't answer and asked the question to look townie.

And the way it's phrased makes it seem like Pie expects Mharman will give the answer. I don't think a townie would expect that and they would probably phrase it asking if Mharman would be able to answer that question (i.e. "are you able to tell us if...")

I mean, when has a mod not said they gave fake claims in the game description and then came out and revealed they did when someone asked them? It doesn't make sense, and I don't think a townie would ask the question.

But as scum pretending to be town? Yeah, I think Pie would ask the question pretending he's sure to get an answer even though he knows he won't. I'm looking for examples in previous games, but right now all I have is a hunch.

Yeah, because she gave up so much information about her role early and took a hard stand coming in immediately instead of laying back like she normally does as scum and riding off of others

Mine is informational.

Meh fine, IG. Theres only certain people I really think have the potential to put theme analysis together usefully like that anyway, none are currently on my radar, so it's whatever. I will say that my mechanic does not apply only to shooters, I've seen it in MOBA's, Survival Games, RPG's, RTS's, and MMO's. It's not a mechanic that applies exclusively to guns or gunplay. And my role justification seemed like a stretch to me, I had to kind of get mharman to do a triple explanation for it to make sense to me. 

That's all the hint I will give on my role for now. 

There's a lot we could argue when it comes to how this game balances and where a Role Cop would fit in, so I'm going to just going to set that aside for now. Instead, I think I'd like to try some potential theme analysis.

We have two character claims on the board: the Killcam (Vader) and Tag System (GP). Both occur distinct from player actions, with the Killcam being the system showing you how you died from your opponent's perspective and the Tag System being a means to distinguish targets on the battlefield. I'd say both of them fall into informational mechanics in general.

I'll say that my mechanic is decidedly not informational. It's an object that exists in game, a tool to be used directly.

So, I'd like everyone to categorize their character. If it fits into a similar mechanic or, if it is completely different, please provide the general category it fits under. I think it's worth at least starting to restrict claims this way and getting a feel for plausible theme splits.

It's GP, I don't really know what more you can expect to get out of him. 

Someone pointed out that if there's a gravedigger, there's probably a ninja. If there is, role cop could be used to find them.

The last game I played with supa as scum I remember he hard buddied me when I was under perssure, and at worst, he just doesn't pressure his scum buddy like Joebob in years mafia. There are other examples I'd have to dig up in order to really prove my point. That said, once he  gets called out for it he probably will be hyper aware of it. So my sus will really only come into play if GP turns scum. 

This is all just WIFOM. Yeah, maybe scum GP would have known better than to claim something scummy. Or maybe he'd be banking on the fact that he could convince everyone to believe that he wouldn't do that. Maybe you think the former is more likely, fine, but I feel like a player as experienced as you should not be so strongly swayed by such an argument. Claiming a scummy role and relying on WIFOM to get away with it is not that uncommon in this game, and I'll admit that I don't have much experience playing with GP, but I don't understand why you don't believe he would do that.

And maybe Mharman would be more likely to include the variant of Role Cop that doesn't reveal the target's alignment if he were including it as a town role -- but that's if he were including it as a town role. I agree that GP likely is actually a Role Cop regardless of his affiliation, but we don't actually know for certain whether he's town or not yet, and I don't see any real reason to townread him in your post that isn't just a WIFOM argument. Also, the variant that doesn't reveal alignment is not "non-standard", at least not if we're going by sites like MafiaScum or MafiaUniverse.

Not really imo. Townies suspect people of being in teams together all the time. GP and Austin people assumed WF and I were teamed up the last game because we agreed on reads. All scum Luna had to do was hang back and not contribute much, and that's what I'd expect if he was scum this game.

Slight town lean on Luna for me, he's being way more proactive than last time.

Right now my strongest reads are only town reads atm. No one is has a scum read but I do have a FoS on Luna atm for his some of his reads. I think him being eager to pair me and GP as a scum team comes off sus and a bit too jumpy. 

In regards to my own role, I will say that Savant is actually mostly correct here. My role and GP's are not incompatible, but it is another factor that makes me raise an eyebrow. Suffice it to say that I am hesitant to fullclaim right now. I will if more players want me to, but for now I'll leave it at that.

On reread Casey does state her role mechanically makes GPs less likely so I think we can trust her

VTL GP

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I dont think casey is being that quick to vote GP, I don't understand why his read is even that sussy when its well justified and its the only real push in the game so far.