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Ultra probably. Idk 

It's because it's silly. I don't need a diagnosis that somebody obviously autistic is autistic to put them in that camp if I am creating a game. We need to stick with behavioral analysis. 

Right now, this is one of those games where no one feels obviously scummy to me and I can see at least some reason to townread every player, even Earth.

He's been a bit sharper and more focused than I've seen him recently, and I like the way he's been engaging in this game. My strongest townreads, however, are Ultra, Wylted, and Savant. The ones who are giving me the weakest reasons to townread them rn are Pie, Earth, and Vader. Mikal is a very mixed bag and I just don't know what to think of him. I'm willing to give Vader a chance for now and see what happens come DP2. If we're going to push someone else for a claim, those two would be my choices. I'm actually leaning towards Pie, and it's largely because of remembering the other reason I was suspicious of him but didn't bring up and briefly forgot about: when we were first openly discussing the theme split, he was leaning towards animal rights, not autism. That might genuinely be nothing, but it might have also been him trying to lead us astray. I think that's worth discussing.

If anyone gets to L1 I will just hammer. I am not paying much attention yet

So again I am moving on from this argument, pursue it if you wish, I will just ignore you because I think you enjoy this type of thing a little too much and its a little disturbing. 

So you think banana and I are both scum and both chose not to fake claim? I'm not stupid, dude.

I don’t know man. This seems diff than our scum game is all. It seems geniuine. But it’s just from my interactions with her 

I hard read her as town tbh. I think she misses points sometimes and will go off the rails if she gets frustrated. I’m not going to lie I didn’t read to hard into her responses and it seemed like a bunch of omgus which again is something that I think is a town tell 

I really don't like how the switch up of Savant to pushing for banana and in a scum read because of behavior to then claiming town because of the claim is not sus to anyone else but it threw me for loop. Normally I am not on omgus timing but that really just flicked a light in my brain

Interesting, I feel like Vader is actually one of the easier players to read here. I actually found it a little embarrassing in retrospect that I didn't clock him as mafia in the last game I played with him, as it felt fairly obvious in retrospect.

Just to note, I have no desire to claim and prob will just eat the policy lynch 

Pie seems a bit too eager to jump for claims and calling out others, something similiar to his scum meta. Would also make sense for him to target and push pressure on a new player as scum so I have a slight scum read

I don’t get the scum read on Banana. This sort of aligns with the aggression they saw with me in one of the games. When they get confident they tend to play more aggressive. I actually kinda town read banana and seem to agree with Mikal that one of the people are on the train 

Screw it, I'm town reading banana for their claim. Not a lock by any means, but if the theme is autism, and that's looking increasingly likely, then Charles Darwin fits as much as my character. It looks like neither of our characters was diagnosed formally, but there's some speculation they were on the spectrum. If banana was scum I don't know that they would think to fake claim a character like that.

No, I get what you're saying. I'll have to think about Banana's character claim a bit. My first instinct is that it's not quite what I would expect for this game. But my second instinct is that it's probably not what I would expect scum to claim.

so I think one of my other town reads are wrong. Riz reverse engineering the hard town reads and working backwards from that. There is also free pressure on her now. If I were going in order between the 3 of you. 

Oh look at that. savant magically scum reads me now. You going to call that omgus pie or does savant get a pass for that when you accused me of omgus for a much lighter scum tell on you? 

Don’t be a hypocrite now.

The more I look back at her posts, the more opportunistic the behavior seems. I've been scum read as town by town players before, but usually there's at least some logic to the accusation. In banana's case, she seem to be deliberately misinterpreting posts, such as claiming that Mikal was scum reading me and then stopped or criticizing that I null read inactives and then further scum reading me when I mentioned inactives in response to that point.

Anyways what do you want? Character claim? Role claim? I know how this ends if I don’t comply and I don’t wanna waste time arguing this nonsense and I’d like to go back to focusing on savant so let me know.

This argument makes no sense to me. Pie posted a thread asking people to compare your behavior in the hopes that people would... Just be too lazy to do so and just vote for you? If he was trying to lean on his own popularity, why not just do exactly that?

Wylted would absolutely offer to kill himself as scum. Any good scum player would. Because you are banking on someone town reading that and no follow through. I don’t think in my 10 years of playing with Connor, I ever recall him making a role that results on a mod kill other than once and it was a you can’t type in the dayphase role. 

The voting early and killing yourself makes no sense. He would have the vote not count and if anything would go as far to make it scum sided to show affiliation and role confirmation don’t coordinate. I may be barking up the wrong tree but I do not buy the mod kill portion 

I kind of agree with this, doesn't make sense to have him kill himself if you thought he was scum. I also disagree that making him kill himself just to "test" his role really is smart idea in general. And I just don't see a lot of reason he would come up with a role like that. Wylteds claims are pretty bad I thought, remembering what he did in game show mafia. This one feels very different from that claim.

Because why would you assume they wouldn't just read the thread and form their own conclusions?

You tagging people like that feels like you are trying to use your "popularity" and reputation to entice people to take your side.

You don't see me tagging everyone and their dog trying to sell my points. I assume they are grown adults who can read themselves. That's why it feels manipulative, almost like you are trying to capitalize on hoping they are lazy enough to bandwagon you here.

I do genuinely believe there was misogyny involved in that.

That and you were using the fact that I was new against me.

Either way that lynch was pretty manipulative. I think you happened to be right that I was scum there, but not for any actual real reasons. That said, all I mentioned is that you mansplaining to me why I am scum when I am town is kind of hilarious.

Because I know I am town, so you trying to tell me otherwise is a bit ridiculous. Put yourself in my shoes and I think you would see what I mean.

I didn't say you specifically. But it's been discussed in this phase to by people that I only pursue soft claims as scum, and I pointed out that it's silly that savant gets towncred over it is all. 

That the thing you are town telling him for isn't a town tell in this game specifically. It doesn't have to be a scum tell either, but at most it's neither.

Tell me you don't think that town block is a little too convenient though? Like do you honestly think mafia don't have one active member, or member who you consider a veteran on it?

It's not that I am trying to break up anyone's town block, but we need to think outside the box here. It would be extremely convenient if all the scum members were just inactives, or barely posting. I guess it's theoretically possible, but I am not going to ignore the behavior of the people who have been active as well, because that feels very narrow-minded.

It could be, but you have to admit this makes it generally harder for him to accomplish lynches, no matter how you spin this. And wylted seems like the type that is usually pretty eager to get the day phase moving when he has his mind made up. You can see that in the bacteria game where he was pushing mharman. Claiming a role like this would be out of character for him. If he is scum, I would actually say that was a clever play by him because it contrasts how he usually plays.

Just curious if he’s bullshitting. Accomplishes the same thing and if he’s not dead. You really press 

Are you okay with having Wylted use his vote to test this 

Pie is being pretty manipulative in post 237. Here's hoping people actually read the interaction instead of just bandwagon him though. He's over blowing it out of proportion.

I have been aggressive in other games as well, with cerulean when he was scum, with mharman when he was scum, etc. I am more aggressive in games when I am active. If I am not caught up, obviously I am not going to be aggressive because I don't know what's going on, and this is usually the case in the games I am playing. It's not that I am passive, it’s that I am not aware of whats going on most of the time. When I am, I pursue reads just like everyone else.

I don't know why when he pushes people for soft claims it's townie, but when I do it, it's considered scummy lol.

Also town wasn't informed of the theme in this game. Knowledge of the theme is actually kind of suspicious in my opinion. Especially since his theory appears to me correct for almost everyone so far.

I mentioned multiple people including mikal, earth, vader and ultra that I didn't town read yet as well, and somehow you latched on to me pointing one thing out about you as "OMGUS". This comes off as VERY defensive lol.

He's limited himself to only being able to hammer. Which means he cannot take advantage of mislynches as easily. I do not see scum being willing to do that so readily.

If Wylted is scum, he's made the game extremely hard for himself with that claim. Which also kind of leads me to think its a truth claim

Kay, mansplain to me how I am scum when I am town. Lol I press one read "instantly scummy".

Okay put your money where your mouth is, and tell me why in detail savant is town?

Nope, I have no real read on earth, and vader didn't really say much despite being pinged for activity. I am not discounting either as scum but I think it would be pretty convenient if both the inactives happened to be scum. I am considering mikal as a scum partner for that faked looking back and forth with savant, I am probably re-consindering my town read on you, since you are hard defending savant now for seemingly no reason, and he already did the same to you early on when mikal reaction tested you. I agree with people about wylteds claim, it seems pretty realistic, and kind of doesn't seem like a good fake claim, its more likely its just real. Casey is town based on her hint and what I think she is. Ultra is an option as well.

I figured and maybe im wrong this has been tested? I’m not going to lie, I am not reading back much and going off memory cus work. But have we tested this to confirm he is at least role confirmed. If so, again okay with leaving it alone 

We have a pretty hard soft claim 

And a full claim 

Going for much more (we need one more and I’d rather it be someone who is not typically active). Is where I want to stop 

I know I’m getting some pressure based on pinged votes but who you are thinking of is right if it’s what I believe the definition of atypical is. Also think about the most obvious fucking role that it could be for them

I don’t want to say too much more because I am pretty unsure of balance mechanics 

I want to hold off on a full claim from myself for now. I will full claim right anway and in entirety DP2. Depending on what happens in the NP I feel like I can either narrow down the POE significantly and/or catch scum

If its scummy to pursue our scum reads how do we expect to accomplish anything?

Like I am good with waiting for vader to come on, I don't see what ultra would really say more than what he already did, and savant is active and here. Idk. I am starting to wonder if mikal and savant were bussing, like what he did with me as scum. Because he seemed to back off it real quick the second I joined in pressuring savant. 

Interesting.

I can see that. I myself am not sure whether the post attacking Savant more likely came from scum Banana or town Banana. It did kinda come out of nowhere.

Owen is my hardest town read atm 

I will say that #158 is a sharply towny post from Mikal, however. That's some solid tell spotting. 

He has this weird tell I’ve noticed with him in town games recently 

“Just to be clear you scum read cus x y z “

It’s always framed the same and always is trying to understand the logic for why you read him. I don’t think he’s ever actually scum hunting but trying to understand why he seems scummy and oddly it’s a town tell lol 

Pick between earth Supa or Anna 

I’m good with any of them