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Fair point. But I mean I was just thinking from a logical perspective on what would make it easier for mafia to come away  with a win and Dreamer would've made 10x more sense. I know this is extremely WIFOM but you get 3 mislynch targets if you utilize a Dreamer as your fake claim versus Comedian which really only gives you one and if you fake the results of what you get you get insta scum read

As for not seeing this role ever. I just think that's such a weak argument. Hell I still see roles I've never seen. It's on the master role list we have as well.

I have literally never seen it before. Granted I'm not the ultimate authority on mafia, but Pie says he's never seen anything like it before, either.

Agreed on the second part. I'm assuming you're DP3 Inno Child then?

I don't think it's Banana either, however. If Ultra is town, then I think Pie is scum. Look at this interaction between him and I in Mayday Mafia.

Don’t forget that this is the same Owen [Ultra] who steamrolled town with Wylted and Barney with his fake CC. I think we give him less credit than he deserves as a player. I think for me today it’s between Moozer and Owen. (#413) 

I reply:

Maybe so, but I think a large part of the problem there is that no one really questioned a 3P BP and a Town BP existing in the same game nearly as much as we should have. (#421)

Pie replies back:

[That's] fair, but his execution was perfect as well. (#422) 

Sound familiar? Because it reminds me a lot of Pie in this game:

That’s fair, but you’ve only evaluated his town games. You have to compare it to his scum games. This guy was the mastermind of a double fake CC scum win if I remember correctly. (#158)

Pie was pivoting to setting up a mislynch on Owen in Mayday Mafia. I think he may have been doing the same thing here. He gives Ultra too much credit for what happened in that game, and I think it's on purpose. I mean, Pie was trying hard to put sus on him during DP1, and now he magically appears guilty. Suspicious? Only if he flips town. 

I don't buy Wylted being scum for behavioral reasons. Ditto with Banana - after she explained her scumread on me, I went back and looked at her previous posts, and all her interactions with me really did read as 'I think you're town but am also really frustrated with you.' Plus I know she's not lying about her role and I don't see it going to scum. 

I also TR Savant for his claim. It makes sense with the balance. So basically, scum are among (Ultra, Vader, Pie). Game is basically solved FMPOV. 

I do want a little more discussion before this day ends. Specifically, I want everyone to answer these two questions:

1. If Ultra should flip town, who does that most implicate?
   

1. What do you make of my bulletproof vest going to Savant? What do you think the scum team did and why?
   

Sorry I'm with family I hardly see so this game has taken a back seat. I suppose there's nothing much I can say in my defense. 

It’s the opposite of a dreamer

Each night I choose a person and they are given 3 roles that they could be

So we have a watcher, an amnesiac cop, an innocent child, and whatever role Vader is? Doesn’t this seem like a lot of investigative power on the town side? One of these has to be a fake claim….

I’m fine with lynching ultra today on the guilty but I think his partner is one of the investigators not including myself obviously.

bruh, Lunatic is in the age range where this is a huge name. I promise. I thought it still was

Mr role is revealed at MLYO

Then that makes sense. I'm Courtney love, because of the large part of her life she spent struggling with drug use I am confused towny.

May as well full claim at this point. I am Albert Einstein. Because of Einstein’s theories about observation in different frames of reference, I am the Watcher.

You think you and Vader may have been bus driven?

Not possible. I watched Vader last night, so if we were bus driven I would have seen you as a visitor.

It was me. I am Charles Darwin the 1x amnesiac cop. Justification is that my theory on evolution was accepted by scientists but not religious people, so basically I can publish my findings but they can only be interpreted as true based on who I send them to, basically I can send results to scum who can lie about what result they got and I wouldn’t know.

I trust Casey though is being honest. She is my top town read and I guessed she was Elon musk.

I was debating also checking pie or savant but ultra is pretty inactive so I decided on him since a few people were town reading him and he was one I didn’t feel right about.

Has Comedian ever been used in a prior game on this site? I can't find anything about it online.

I am Jerry Seinfeld. I am the 1x comedian. I chose Pie and he is

Innocent child

JOAT

Jailkeeper

So interesting. Pie can you confirm any of the 3. Want claim and justification 

I noticed that too, but I also think it’s odd that Pie called Mafia asking Luna about a role and character an ability. It does seem kinda odd

It's this line. This is something mentioned in the OP. I didn't notice it at first, and I don't think anyone has brought it up so far. Obviously Pie knew about it. Is it just mundane and he didn't mention it before now, or is this a possible slip?

Idk, maybe I'm reading too deep, but Pie is still in my PoE and there's still something about him this game that bothers me.

I'm going to be honest. I've given it some thought, and I understand the points made against him. But something about the Earth wagon doesn't feel good to me. Maybe I'm just buying into the WIFOM too much, but I just don't think it's the type of fakeclaim he'd go for here - not just because it's an uncommon role, but also because it has that 1x modifier. Why would he choose to make himself look as scummy as possible? I feel like he could have and would have come up with something better than that.

I was a Soldier in Gameshow Mafia (also hosted by Luna btw) and you guys were doubting my claim.

Earth's claim is odd. Not sure how to feel about it. I want to ask everyone a question. Assuming it's a fakeclaim, do you think he came up with it himself? If not, who do you think his partner most likely would be? 

I am Daryl Hannah, the 1x Victim. My justification is something like I am an actress who starred in multiple movies and that I was victimized by Weinstein.

I'm gonna be honest, right now I really do not buy that Savant and Banana are the scum team and they claimed their actual characters (or at least claimed characters that matched the actual theme split). Their interactions don't feel like theater to me and I really don't think they'd be acting this reckless as scum.

Already said. 

Also I think this list ia wrong. That is earths town reads

I’m leaning towards earth or savant but i struggle to read earth and super 

Behavior wise those are my strongest reads. Gun to my head probably earth or savant 

Why did you vote earth