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@Lunatic
@Barney
Let me put it this way. If there was not Vig shot, it would be 4-1 and town would have 2 attempts to lynch. Since Scum Wylted used his Vig shot to murder a townie in cold blood, we only have one opportunity.
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@WyIted
Pie would have to think that as scum I legitimately waited until np3 to use a vig shot. I got dp1.
Well NP1 you used the shirt to protect yourself. NP2 you bussed Casey and feigned using the shot. Knowing that your partner is Bulletproof Ascetic heavily implies town has killing powers. Using the Bulletproof and saving the Vig shot is common sense.
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@Barney
A couple quick thoughtsWhat happened to the second vig shot from earth?
It had to have been vetoed. And that’s what Wylted’s scumslip involves. Earth/Moozed dying couldn’t have come from the Neighborhood Vig because Earth wouldn’t shoot himself and wouldn’t kill town confirmed Moozer, so one shot had to come from Wylted and by his own admission was on Earth because Earth vetoed the neighborhood Vig shot on me, presumably cause he thought I was town. What did Wylted do? Shoot Earth in cold blood with his Vig shot that he never used on Casey to begin with because Earth townread me more than Wylted (that’s the only conclusion you can come with). It’s a clear scumslip and combined with the fact he’s been lying since DP1. He has to be scum.
I was going to ponder Luna being scum with a 10% probability, but that’s ruled out by the NK attempt which was liver witnessed, or bussed when Casey was already on the chopping block).
Lunatic is town.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
Let’s play out Wylted’s reasoning for shooting Earth (obviously if he was town, he’d think Earth was scum right?). But if Earth is scum, why would Earth not agree to shoot Pie, who is town? If he agrees to shoot Pie, then Earth has easy mislynch in Wylted. So why did Earth back out and agree to providing 2 lynch opportunities to town (which Wylted took away by using his Vig shot that was supposedly already used).
This is not rocket science. Don’t let Wylted gaslight his way out of this. If either of you can answer the question why Town Wylted would shoot Earth in this scenario, I will happily self vote because at that point, town deserves to lose. It’s common sense
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@WyIted
I think I already explained this, not that it matters what earth's reads are, but earth agreed to the pie vig. I put in my vig and then earth passed out at the last minuted.
So why would you not change your action?
My action failed and there were no kills. It was certainly a possibility I was jail kept. I didn't say that definitely happened though.
Or you never used it.
I challenge you to find a single game where I bus a scum partner ever.
Irrelevant and WIFOM
Np1 like I said when moozer and earth were still alive I revealed the role. On dp1 you can obviously see me ask savant to put earth's vote on me. Dp2 and 3 I had no votes on me end of day. I thought maybe Austin made a mistake and moozer did have a vote on me end of dp, but it's not like it mattered because the mod would confirm if he was town the next day, and if there were no mod confirm he would have been scum.The lies that I haven't attempted to use it are silly.I would have got the vig shot if I was 1x lynchproof as well as it's typically a town role and nobody was claiming anything more towny.
They’re not silly. You didn’t use it when there were 4 people on the wagon DP1. You didn’t use it DP2 either. You didn’t use it DP3 either. You admitted that. What town reason exists to not use your investigative power for 3 straight days.
Post where I said I thought he was scum for not wanting to shoot you?I was open about my scum pool last dp. At the end of the dp, I made it clear the final scum was between pie and earth and him claiming I scum read earth for being cautious is wrong.
Cautious? Lmao. The logic is simple. You just fucked up the Vig shot on Earth. If what Austin said is true, you are a massive retard.
The scum pool for town is likely between me an pie and earth. Earth knows my scum pool is him and pie. This means if he vigs pie and pie is town I know he is the final scum. I also thought there would be no NK and the scum have not had a successful one anyway so if the scum pool is me and earth and earth is scum the math works out that if I was lynched first, he would be lynched next and the game is over.Essentially it benefits a scum earth to keep more scummy looking town around. Obviously.
Lol what? You were more scummy than Earth to literally everyone last DP. We also knew that we would have 2 opportuniws to lynch unless a Vig shot was used. If anything Earth is town for not wanting to use the Vig shot because it provides 2 lynch opportunies for town.
No it isn't and if I were in your shoes I would just give up and go away quietly. I respect your fight though and you honestly really fucked up by putting lunatic in my town pool. You probably would have still lost anyway but it was your biggest error.
You fucked up by shooting Earth when you knew he has no reason not to shoot Pie as scum and then get you lynched the next day because you were scummier than him. Your partner gave up, you should do the same. Your scumplay is careless.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
I told the truth when I discovered it to 2 townies in the neighbor PM prior to dp2 starting
Scumslip #2. He had no way of knowing that he was sharing to two townies unless he was scum.
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@WyIted
You know they can literally just ask Austin if I retain my vig shot after I attempt to shoot casey?I guess you hope that Austin refuses to answer. He refused to tell me my shot failed or even if I retained it.Interestingly enough he did give me feedback after my vig on earth by essentially calling me a retard for picking earth in the PM, but I had to wait until the DP to see it was successful.
Whether you retain it or not is irrelevant.
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@WyIted
Nobody was on it at the end of any dp.
So why didn’t you ask people to be on it, so you could investigate them?
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@Lunatic
@Barney
There’s only one objective truth, everything else is WIFOM or he said she said: there were two people that died last night. Earth and Moozer. Earth was the executor of the Neighborhood. There’s no way he could’ve either shot himself or Moozer.
That means an NK was done by the last scum (likely on Moozer) and a Vig shot was used by someone. Wylted is the only person that had a Vig shot to begin with. And he scum slipped when he said that he shot Earth even after Earth backed off from agreeing in the neighborhood to using the neighborhood vig shot on me.
From Wylted’s perspective, why would scum Earth not agree to kill town Pie? Yet, Wylted still shot Earth. This proves that Wylted has to be scum.
This is a clear scumslip as anything that was said NP3 in the Neighborhood is heresay (no one else can confirm).
Wylted is scum. Period.
That means an NK was done by the last scum (likely on Moozer) and a Vig shot was used by someone. Wylted is the only person that had a Vig shot to begin with. And he scum slipped when he said that he shot Earth even after Earth backed off from agreeing in the neighborhood to using the neighborhood vig shot on me.
From Wylted’s perspective, why would scum Earth not agree to kill town Pie? Yet, Wylted still shot Earth. This proves that Wylted has to be scum.
This is a clear scumslip as anything that was said NP3 in the Neighborhood is heresay (no one else can confirm).
Wylted is scum. Period.
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@Lunatic
If you think he killed earth then where did the moozer kill come from?
Regular mafia NK. Earth was killed with Wylted’s Vig shot that he never used on Casey.
It’s pretty simple. Wylted admitted that Earth didn’t want to shoot me with the Neighborhood Vig, so he somewhat townread me more than Wylted. From Wylted’s perspective, if Earth was scum, why would he reject Vig shot on Pie with the neighborhood Vig? After the neighborhood Vig was vetoed by Earth, Wylted used his leftover Vig (cause he never used it on Casey) to kill Earth.
It really doesn’t make sense to me why you didn’t out this information then if you suspected him and Casey both as you indicated last day phase. Wylted not knowing why his action went through would have to assumed he was actively blocked or something. If he was scum and had a vig shot why hold onto it?
I did suspect him last DP, but a world did exist where he could’ve been roleblocked or “jailkept” as he claimed, so I didn’t think necessary. This is WIFOM but I could’ve just not claimed my passive ability and went with the flow.
Why not just create a case for using it on someone else (like me for example, since he suspected me).
I don’t know what roles/abilities scum have besides a flipped bulletproof/ascetic basically.
Seems if he was scum he would have used it and just justified why he was wrong about it, like he is doing with earth. He could have done that same thing last day phase and just killed me instead. Why go through the whole process of fake being roleblocked at all?
He could’ve, but it’s WIFOM and Wylted is illogical to begin with. It makes sense that he would bus his partner to gain the town cred that he used his Vig shot and there was none remaining. He ran with that all of last DP. Also remember that Moozer still had 3 abilities including a roleblocker and rolestopper.
So if your trying to tell me that you think earth was wylteds night kill target that earth had to have used his big shot on moozer who was an innocent townie and confirmed dp3. Why on ewould earth do that lol
No, you’re misunderstanding. Wylted never used his own vig shot on Casey, so he had it left and used it on Earth.
Also if you going to accuse Wylted of lying by hiding parts of his role you have to admit that you did the same thing as each day phase you have now claimed to have an additional ability that you didn’t claim having before.
There’s a difference between lying and omitting the truth. Wylted actively lied about his role to seem towny and gain the Vig shot. I just kept it hidden, though I did soft claim it in DP2.
Come on pie you know this is wifom logic. Under the assumption this is the bus, you obvious would have told him to say something like that to make it look like you aren’t affiliated. The fact that you are using this logic almost makes it seem even more likely he was told to say this lol.
Fair but it’s MYLO, I’m going to use everything in my power to prove I’m town :)
Am I wrong or missing something here?1. Pie is saying we should suspect Wylted for lying about his role, when our has added something about his role each day phase now. If he’s covering information for a not yet used role that’s fine, but it’s hypocrital of him to tell us to sus Wylted for doing the same.
Hiding my passive ability (which I didn’t even have to claim) vs never even trying to use the cop ability as a townie and lying by claiming a perma lynchproof to take the vig shot is different imo.
2. Do you think a role like mine would also exist along side a role that clarifies actions passively as killing? Also shouldn’t that have made pie suspect me when I claimed this role early day phase 2? Why didn’t he mention his role along side mine then? What harm was there to do it?
Tbh I didn’t want to get in a fight with you and derail the entire DP after getting into one with Savant. So I kept my mouth shut about this.
3. He is trying to tell us that earth was wylteds night kill target and that your big shirt was used. If that’s the case where did the moozer kill come from? He said the second kill had to be by earths vig. But he doesn’t explain why earth would kill moozer. Why would we believe that earth would kill a confirmed innocent townie?
You’re misunderstanding, see above
Is it just me missing something or is pies story not just full of holes here? Are you seeing the same thing I am?
Wylted is a confirmed liar. He admitted to Vig shotting someone he thought was supposedly scum for not wanting to shoot me, which makes no sense.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
Anyways I have work tomorrow so I’m going to sleep. It’s abundantly clear that Wylted is scum. This has his prints all over it. Scum Wylted is careless, which is why he sucks at fake claiming and tries to cover his tracks. Note how he didn’t even try to cop a person on his lynch train, and even dodged the question when I asked him last DP.
There’s nothing he could do. This game is very townsided.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
It comes down essentially to who has lied this entire game and covered it up.
Wylted lied about 1x Lynchproof to gain role confirmation and gain the 1x Vig.
He lied about being Vanillaized to avoid being sussed for lying to everyone when he said he was the Perma Lynchproof.
My role makes someone lynchproof, so it’s contradictory to Wylted’s role. Wylted essentially lied about shooting Casey and then shot Earth when Earth backed off on wanting to shoot me (admitted by Wylted).
I caught Casey as scum lying about being a passive role and visiting Lunatic and got him lynched. Also, note Casey’s confession:
It's alright. To be honest, I didn't see myself surviving this DP anyway. I didn't see that watcher thing coming, though.Austin, we have enough votes now. I'm out.
Note how he thought he was getting lynched even before my watcher report. The bus was on since the beginning before I even outted my watcher report.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
Everyone please share your character, role, justifications, and previous actions.I know this is at least mostly out already, but a fresh take in our own words would be nice.
Sure. I am Donald J. Trump. I have 3 abilities: 2 active and 1 passive. I mentioned the active ones earlier:
“Stop the Steal” - I basically tried quasi legal way to overturn the result of the election. One night I can choose to make a player unlynchable. Can’t use it at MYLO or LYLO. (Used on Luna NP1)
“You’re fired” - I basically am in charge of overseeing the contestants on The Apprentice to determine who to kick out of the game. One night I can choose a person to watch, and I will learn who visited them. (Used on Luna NP2)
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Here is my passive ability:
“Covfefe” - No one knows what this means besides me (Trump). People have guessed, but only I know the true meaning of the word in the tweet. Every night, I will receive a report of how many killing actions took place.
I asked Austin a lot of questions about this one and got the following information—if a killing shot was roleblocked or jailkept, it wouldn’t show up on my report, but if it was stopped by a doctor, bulletproof, commuter, it would
I didn’t think it was necessary to reveal this information DP2 because Wylted admitted to not committing to the shot and there wasn’t any other shot I knew about until the neighborhood came up.
DP3 in hindsight I should’ve brought it up that my report stated only one kill and Wylted claimed he was jailkept.
NP1: Only one. NK was likely blocked
NP2: Only one. This one threw me off because Wylted claimed he shot Casey. I presumed he was roleblocked or something.
NP3: Two. This is what gave it away that Wylted has to be scum. He can feign shooting Casey to bus him and then use the shot the following night. As for why he didn’t use it NP1, it’s pretty clear. He received the shirt from Barney that would make him BP. He still had scum partner Casey (who is untargetable) to carry out the NK.
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@WyIted
No I accidently lied and in the neighbor PM told earth and moozer the second I could so they could vouch for me. This was mentioned last dp.
“Accidentally lied.” You told two townies that you lied, but you still lied to gain the towncred and the Vig shot.
It is suss, just as it is sus that you were the only one doubting my vanillaized claim. Almost as if you had inside information that the scum team didn't do it.
Yes, I was sus because of my 1x Magistrate which also granted the power of making someone lynchproof. Making two people lynchproof in a single day is crazy, and I don’t think Austin would have it.
I still need to know where the extra vig shot came from. It makes no sense
Nice try. You never shot Casey. You shot Earth who townread me by backing out of the Neighborhood Vig on me.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
And pie did mention he knew that Casey was scum before I even mentioned receiving the bulletproof…
I was confident Casey was scum before you mentioned the Bulletproof because I saw Casey visiting you, when he claimed a passive role prior. The Bulletproof you mentioned given from Barney just made it go from like 95% to 99.99% scum confirmation.
Looking like it yeah. Also now we know why your vig shot failed, Casey was a passive roleblocker
If the shot was used up in NP2, how was it used in NP3? The neighborhood had a shot. Earth would never shoot himself and therefore would veto a shot on himself. The shot had to have come from Wylted, who basically scum slipped in this post:
Np3 I assume I have no powers and the shot has been used and failed, but to be a smart ass I say "vig earth" to my shock the vig succeeds and narrowed my scum pool to pie.I should have vigged pie, but earth agreed to vig pie but backed out of the agreement last second
He’s trying to justify where the Vig shot came from, basically admitting that he never shot Casey in the first place because that would waste the Vig shot. If Earth was scum, he’d be fine with using the Vig shot on me because I’m town (from Wylted’s POV). Essentially what happened here is that Wylted knew he couldn’t target Casey and bussed him up front in DP3, while knowing that he still would have his Vig shot. And then he killed Earth who townread me more than Wylted with the Vig shot that he lied about being a permanent Lynchproof to get. It was his only option.
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@Lunatic
One thing is that it would be wierd for Wylted to claim lynch proof as scum if he knew his partner was popular
It would be his real role, and we did have the argument about the confirmability of a 1x Lynchproof in my game. Also, Wylted knowingly lied by claiming he was a permanent Lynchproof when asked in DP1. He also in that same post sussed me for wanting to test it every DP afterwards. He was setting up that Vanillaized claim in DP2 since the beginning.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, but it’s still misleading to say that the economy was the best ever under your presidency. It’s by no means true.
It was until COVID came, which isn’t controllable. It’s not Trump’s fault there was a worldwide pandemic. It’s only fair to assess his economic presidency prior to a black swann event that plagued every nation in the world.
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@Moozer325
He literally said that the governor of Virginia killed a newborn.
He said the Governor of Virginia talked about “abortion” after birth, which is objectively true.
“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
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@Moozer325
It’s a dark day in America when we judge politicians based on charisma and not trustworthiness.
Well if one person only works 10-4, we have an issue when it comes to national security.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I have to vote for a dementia man, the question is which one. The R one or the D one?
The I one obviously
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Vote for Donald J. Trump and not for Dementia Man
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@WyIted
Reread how these fools blindly bought into Biden is mentally sharp like CNN told them.
TDS is a powerful thing
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@WyIted
You sounded like hulk hogan when you said that
Those are my pronouns
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@WyIted
I am not going to agree to a vig shot tonight because to me the last scum probably is earth but I also don't mind dying next because it still leads to a town victory. If earth is not scum then at 2 v 1 they lynch you and it is still a town win.
If you’re town, then Earth is scum. If Earth is scum, you are town. I’m honestly indifferent in the lynch because it’s a 100% win rate, especially if the Vig shot is vetoed.
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Gotta head out now, will be back tonight. My flight is tomorrow morning to go back
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@WyIted
I tried to get savant to put earth's vote on me if you remember but forgot that just couldn't be voted
That doesn’t answer my question lol
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@WyIted
Now that I think about it, lunatic can't be scum but if earth was scum, why wouldn't they mention that on np1 I told them I was lying. It's an easy mislynch. It makes no sense
Earth’s playstyle is basically the opposite of mine. But legit POE suggests that it’s you or Earth. It could be Lunatic in the scenario I mentioned, but it is extremely unlikely
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@WyIted
I can investigate 1 person on my lynch wagon to see if they are town or scum. Both can scroll up to one of my first five posts in there where i also informed them i had no intention of anyone other than them knowing that
Interesting. A variant of a sensor role I think. You didn’t use this DP1 to either find scum or town confirm somebody? Why or why not?
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@WyIted
yeah earth has got to be town. I think it is lunatic and casey. I forgot that initial reasoning for town reading earth until I reread my posts in the neighbor PM
The only scenario I see where Lunatic is scum is if Casey had some role where he could visit a scum partner like a bus driver, redirector, lawyer, etc AND scum either waived NK, don’t have one, or targeted Earth who used the commuter given by JoeBob. Right now, to me though, you don’t have much credibility because you lied about your role. We had a whole controversy about 1x Lynchproof being scummy or not in my game. It’s going to be you or Earth lynched tomorrow.
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@WyIted
lierally after a game where practically everyone agreed that even a 1x lynchproof is a town sided role
So are you walking back your claim that you’re a permanent Lynchproof and are instead a 1x Lynchproof?
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@WyIted
Why in the world do you think lunatic is town. This has been an absurd point of yours since DP1 where you stated it when he made like 5 posts of practically no consequence
Because he’s the only investigative role, and I literally saw Casey visiting him? Why do you scumread Lunatic besides “POE”
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@Lunatic
Only other thing I could buy is maybe a potential scum mason recruiter with earth isn't entirely out of the question, I just don't really see DART mods putting that type of role on the scum team, but again, I am not completely closed off to that idea.
If anyone would do it, it would be Austin. Wylted first though. The Vanilla-izer after sussing me for wanting to confirm every DP is scummy
For the record if you are scum, I do think you did the best you could with the circumstances, the many protective roles kind of worked out against you this game despite the two easy mislynches. I am sure you could give austin some lip for that in the endgame. But anyways, it's looking like this game is pretty close to a GG at this point.
I agree. Pretty town balanced. Idk what Austin’s friend was thinking.
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@Moozer325
This post is completely devoid of logic lol. I do find it funny that you've worked it out to make me the mislynch no matter what the flip though, even though my action lines up with pie, barney, and explains the lack of the night kill. I should be the most town confirmed on your list in either scenario lol.
We have a solid town block going between you, me, Barney, and Moozer. There’s no way the 3 of you are scum from my POV because of my Watcher last night and Moozer’s mod confirmation. Casey basically confessed to being scum, so assuming the NK is successful, it’s going to be 4-1. We can afford a mislynch in the worst case. It’s basically a win-win scenario for us. The only issue is the Vig shot, which Wylted and Earth (one of whom is scum has influence over). That could make it possible that it’s 3-1 tomorrow.
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@WyIted
We opted out to be safe and I informed them of my vig shot target. Moozer did jot participate in the pm so wouldn't have been able to shoot anyway. I can say me and earth talked about shooting casey
Wait, so you both agreed not to shoot anyone? Who’s idea was that?
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@Moozer325
Did Austin announce that you have to collectively agree to the Vig shot in the neighborhood or did Earth tell you that? What if anything has Austin said in the neighborhood?
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@WyIted
@Moozer325
Who was the target you all agreed on that got vetoed?
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@Lunatic
@Moozer325
Just to make sure we are crossing our T's and dotting our I's can you explain the watcher part of your role justification?
Sure, just like 1x Magistrate was “Stop the Steal” the 1x Watcher is “You’re Fired.” Basically Trump oversaw the challenges and board meetings in The Apprentice before he made his eliminate decision.
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@Lunatic
I wanna hear your information that scum confirms casey. Also what do you think about the possibility of wylted being his scum partner?
Casey is 100% scum. Wylted has been on my list since he claimed to be vanillaized DP2 and in DP1 was kinda defensive about why I wanted to test his Lynchproof claim every DP. My POV has it as Casey and Wylted.
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@Barney
@Moozer325
I wanna hear your information that scum confirms casey. Also what do you think about the possibility of wylted being his scum partner?
I have a 1x Watcher. I used it on Lunatic last night because he was the sole investigative role and saw Casey visiting him. He claimed a Passive role, which is contradictory, and there was no death because of the Bulletproof Lunatic used (given by Barney).
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@Moozer325
Okay, that's valid, but I still prefer lynching Pie. I don't like to Lynch based on inactivity mostly.
I’m on vacation in the Canadian Rockies where network is practically nonexistent except for at hotels. There’s literally nothing I can do about it. I check in as often as I physically can.
It's not just that Pie has been wrong twice, he has been so adamant about his choice, and so wrong each time.
Yes, I was wrong about Savant, but the way he used his vote thief was objectively scummy. As town you try to steal the vote of someone you read as scum.
With JoeBob, his character and role had me set up for the False Inventor. Like the character and role fits so perfectly. And his role was directly conflicted by Barney’s.
I don't mind if you get it wrong, but if you go all in, then there is a long way to fall.
When I go in, I go all the way. Without me, we wouldn’t be anywhere. You saw that in the game I hosted, where it was crickets.
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@Moozer325
This won’t help, but for the record, scum team is 100% Pie and WyIted. I don’t care who we lynch first, but it’s them.
I’m not scum dude.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Barney
@WyIted
@Moozer325
What happened to the Vig shots? Also, I have information that basically confirms Casey as scum. Driving so connection is bad. Hopefully this posts
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@Casey_Risk
Can we please hammer. It’s obvious JoeBob and Moozer are the scum team.
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@JoeBob
It is?
Your second power is a strengthener, which means that if someone with a night action uses it, their action can’t be roleblocked. Nor can a rolestopper be effective.
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