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I’ll be gone all day tomorrow. I’ll try to check in tomorrow morning
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VTL JoeBob
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@JoeBob
They could solve it which makes them immune to interference that night.
This is a direct counter to 2/3 roles Moozer has.
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@WyIted
Honestly on reread it is not clear if we publicly decide a target or privately
Ask Wylted.
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@Earth
@Barney
@WyIted
I missed something, what is this veto thing?
In the neighborhood consisting of Earth, Wylted, and Moozer, they have a collective vig shot. All 3 people have to agree who is doing the shooting and who is being shot privately to Austin. If Moozer is scum, he can secretly veto the shot by saying shoot no one, and the vig shot would fail.
Earth/Wylted, can yall confirm if my understanding is correct?
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@WyIted
Since moozer is down with joebobUnvote VTL joebobMy preferred lynch
So you still have your vig shot right? You can use it even though you were vanillaized?
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@JoeBob
You’re not even questioning if he’s telling the truth?
I was the first one to say that he was convenient. He’s the third most scummy person after you two, but all the evidence points to you two being scum, so he must be town.
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@Moozer325
Oh wait, he's lynchproof. Dang.
He’s actually not cause he was vanillaized meaning he’s no longer lynchproof, but your attempts aren’t going to work
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@JoeBob
maybe… we are on to something? You don’t see me calling people out for having the same scum reads.
You realize that Moozer voted you right?
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@Moozer325
This is ridiculous. Are you actually going to Lynch someone who is mod confirmable by tomorrow. I would sus pie for this if his role wasn't pretty townie. There is that second aspect that we don't know about yet, so that has me a bit worried.
You’d be surprised how many times scum have claimed DP3 Innocent child to avoid getting lynched.
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@WyIted
That's the one reason I want to lynch him first as well. The right decision is to lynch joebob but lynching moozer means the game probably does not see dp3
I’m more confident that Moozer is scum than JoeBob just because Moozer is scum from a behavioral, role, and scum slip perspective. With JoeBob, I just have role and behavior right now because he doesn’t want to lynch the person who I’m most confident is scum.
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@JoeBob
I have him as nullread. Like I said, we should just wait until DP3 to see if he gets mod confirmed.
Okay, so who do you scumread?
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@WyIted
What are your thoughts on JoeBob being the False Inventor?
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@WyIted
The neighbors have a vig shot that we can take if we all agree. We would have to opt out if we would use it on moozer because I assume he would not agree
Moozer. If he can't be vigged we just lynch him
He’s obviously not going to agree to be vigged. I honestly want this game to be over so I can relax on vacation, so I’m kinda biased towards lynching Moozer lol
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@JoeBob
He mixed up his roles. Do you have ANY other points against him?
He mixed up when he was going to get mod confirmed. He was buddying people all of last DP. His roles are scummy
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@JoeBob
I’m not voting myself because I know im town, and im not voting moozer. Let’s wait until DP3 to see if he gets mod confirmed. If he doesn’t get confirmed, lynch him. If he does, perfect, we can move on.
Let me put it this way: why do you townread Moozer?
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@JoeBob
this seems to be the biggest thing against Moozer. He made a spelling error and people are freaking out. Besides this, do you have anything else, or just putting wrong words as your only point?
His blatant buddying. His roles being scummy. The Stalker ability itself just screams scum. Like if your ability is stalking, then your role has to be stalker, which is the mafia version of rolecop. The other two roles are basically unisex.
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@JoeBob
where did I mention doctor
Doctor, commuter, whatever. I don’t think you have a true ability of giving people items.
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@Earth
@WyIted
So yall are okay with taking the risk that Moozer vetoes the vig shot? If that’s the case then I’m fine voting for JoeBob. His character fits perfectly with False Inventor.
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@WyIted
I think the safe bet is to optr out . If joebob flips town my theory is shot and I would be pushing for neighbors to take the shot
What do you mean opt out?
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@JoeBob
It’s you or Moozer today. If you are town, your vote should be on Moozer
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@WyIted
I really want to lynch joebob first. It depends on if others are on board
If you and Earth want to give Moozer the opportunity to veto the vig, then I’m fine with it. Calculated risk. I’m pretty sure both are scum anyways. If Moozer flips guilty, you shoot JoeBob and end the game for us faster.
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@Moozer325
Are you really going to lynch someone who is mod affiliation confirmable by tommorow just because I had a brain fart?
It is giving me reservation, but you do have an incentive to not get lynched today, which is the vig shot in the neighborhood.
I wasn’t referring to the role, I was referring to the flavor text of crimes that I can commit. You need to read more carefully.
That’s irrelevant tbh. If your ability is named Stalking, then the attached role with it should be Stalker, which is the mafia version of rolecop.
I’m kinda scum reading WyIted, just because of how adamantly he is going after me with little to no evidence, and Joebob, for obvious reasons. But it’s not really a lot of faith that I’m asking for. You all seem in agreement that Joebob is my Scum buddy, so lynch him first! It doesn’t matter the order you lynch us in, so let me go last so I can prove myself. I don’t see the problem here.
JoeBob isn’t obvious. Explain in your own words
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@Earth
Why did you make Lunatic unlynchable today?
I explained it when I full claimed. I thought Lunatic soft claimed an investigative role when he said “if there’s a cop out there, investigate Pie” at the end of DP1.
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@Barney
It’s a commuter, via scrambling the locations of the pieces. Hence much of the issue with Mooney right now.
The connection is still weak imo.
These roles share an uncomfortable number of aspects. No denying that.
Yep
As for the other problem, yes, we have a lot of protective roles in this game. Likely one of the mafia can strongman; that or something even better to make things balanced.
I agree. I think the move today is lynch Moozer. Everything is there from a behavioral, role, and scumslip perspective imo
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@WyIted
I will say joebobs name being scrambled with the gift. So is the role meant to confirm him or is it meant to give people a 1x doc essentially?I s I spect it's just t meant to be a role to make him look innocent
That’s what I’m saying. He has to be a False Inventor. Literally everyone has some sort of confirmable role, and the number of protective roles don’t make sense from my POV
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@Earth
Again, if Moozer isn't confirmed town, we'll lynch him. I rather get Casey. It doesn't really matter, what, with the no NK.
He’s on the POE list. I would prefer that you execute the Vig shot though. If Wylted is scum, and he is lying about being vanillaized, if we mislynch today, and he has the 2 shots + NK, 6-2 goes to 2-2 for a scum win. Divide the power up.
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@Moozer325
I agree, but stalker role is one of the least useful investigative roles in my opinion. There is a chance that it reveals scum, but it’s more likely it just tells you not that much, or best case it soft confirms someone, and I think it would be better to have me hard confirmed instead.
But why wouldn’t you use it? What downside is there to using it?
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@Barney
- IlikePie - lean-scum/role-confirmed. It's mainly a gut feeling. The speed at which he jumped to being role-blocked (or vanilla swirled) equals scum, gave me a bit of whiplash. And of course I'd bet money that he has more powers (anyone with one power is most likely lying in this game).
I didn’t say anything about roleblock. I also explained why the Wylted vanillaized claim is shady to me because he was already saying in DP1 that it doesn’t make sense to check me. On top of that my ability is extremely similar to his. Also, you are right that I have another ability, which I sort of alluded to earlier. I will explain in due time.
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@WyIted
I want to know lynch joebob at the very least to test the theory. If moozer claims he can be 100% verified on dp3 we might as well wait and see but it almost seemed like he wanted to change it to dp4 but I guess a typo is reasonable as well
But if he can privately veto the selection for the vig target, just a perfect incentive to want to live. It’s hard. I’ll probably sleep on it. My dreams give me guidance from god usually, idk why
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@Moozer325
Wait, didn’t you say you were confirmable by today?
I used my ability to make Lunatic unlynchable for today
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@Moozer325
No I meant to say vigilante. Also, that post was not about my role, it was in reference to the shirt that WyIted got. There is no reason for me to have said that the shirt gave commuter powers. Why would I do that on purpose?
Well that’s the point, you didn’t do it on purpose. It was a Freudian slip.
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@Casey_Risk
So, let me get this straight. Savant had a 1x BP, JoeBob can make someone a commuter, Barney can make someone BP, and Moozer apparently has a role that allows him to be a commuter as well? Either Austin made a super townsided game, or someone isn't telling the truth here. Either that, or I've gotten something wrong here.
I don’t like it either. I think there’s definitely one scum between Barney and JoeBob. Their roles are just too similar. As for the other scum: right now it’s Moozer. His behavior as I mentioned earlier was just buddying.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Barney
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Just to make sure that we’re all on the same page, it’s actually grand theft auto is a roleblock, vandalism is a role stop, and stalking is finding who somebody visits. So far I Have not done any actions because I want to be confirmable.
Wait, this is a scumslip. Stalker is a term used to describe Mafia roles. Also what does not using any actions have to do with being confirmable?
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@Earth
@WyIted
So earth neighborized me and moozer, which gives us a discord chat and we can all agree on a vig target and choose who carries out the vig. If moozer is scum than obviously he will never agree with us on a scum vig target, so we should kill him so that particular vig shot is completely town directed.I Will paraphrase what he said in the chat" simpson breaks laws so I can break a law each night. Grand theft is a roleblock, vandalze is learning who somebody visits"
Okay so Earth is a neighborizor. Another confirmable role. I have a few questions about the Vig power though based on the way you described it. So the three of you must agree on a target for the Vig shot and who executes it. Is the selection sent to Austin privately? For Earth: why choose Moozer over Barney?
On a side note, this sounds basically like a Scum JOAT with RB and Tracker powers
He also claimed it meant he would be confirmed if he did not use the abilities by dp4 but changed it to dp3 and claimed a typo when I showed him where he said it was dp3 in the actual dp1.
Ya that’s scummy af.
Earth—can you confirm this happened?
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@WyIted
So joebob has claimed commuter and moozier made a Freudian slip about commuter hereIs the scum team moozier and joebob. I want to discuss this a bit more because I need to be a bit more transparent if this is a legitimate suspicion
Wait, this is actually a great catch wtf. I already scumread Moozer, and this just solidifies my read on him. I also suspect JoeBob at this point as a False Inventor because his ability has zero connection to his character.
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@JoeBob
I am erno Rubik and during the day phrase I can choose someone to give the Rubik’s cube to. They can do one of two things during the NP.fixed the spelling errors
I dislike the fact that the claimed and revealed justifications explain how the character ties to the role. There’s nothing even remotely related between a Rubix cube and doctor
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@JoeBob
ok role paraphrasedI am erno rubik and during the day phrase I can choose someone to give me Rubik’s cube to. They can do one of two things during the NP.
Interesting cause Barney says his role is Day Action as well, and he gave a 1x BP.
So essentially there are two Day Phases Roles that give protective abilities.
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@JoeBob
what’s going on with WyIted with his lynchproof
He’s claiming that he was Vanillaized, meaning he was turned into a vanilla, so he doesn’t have the lynchproof ability anymore. I’ve already mentioned I think it’s awfully convenient
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@JoeBob
he made the Rubik’s cube, and that’s why that’s the theme. But for roles, there is none
Wym the “theme”
What does it say in your PM, paraphrased
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
Help me pressure Moozer please.
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@JoeBob
yes, I choose who I want to give it to during the DP, and then NP Austin tells the person I chose what they wanna do with it
What is your justification?
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@Barney
JoeBob stating that it’s also a day phase ability, makes me trust him more. Plus I can’t think of any game where Mafia actually had a protective role.
They probably don’t, but the fact there are two givers doesn’t make sense. I mentioned the False Inventor, which “gives” items, but they essentially don’t work.
…With the currently available information, Wyited or myself must have been the NK target.
Likely. I’m still surprised there are so many protective roles, but if what Wylted says is true, then it makes sense.
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@Barney
@JoeBob
What are the justifications for your abilities?
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@WyIted
Fine I will.just shit you down if you prod anyway. There is a shitload of vig shots out there and there is no way scum.wins this game unless town is incompetent. Honest to God I think town wins this before dp3 starts
Sweet
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