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@WyIted
There is a valid explanation for that, which I will reveal if you don't prod.
Aight. In any event. I trust Barney the most, so I’m confident his red shirt to you is real, unless the Vig is also fake. Now whether JoeBob gave a real or fake Doctor to Barney is also up for debate. False inventor is a role that I’ve come upon while making games, but never used.
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@WyIted
I wasn't going to kill you, the message was misdirection. I actually chose joebob but held off.I will reveal some information fuck it. I think the NK target was me and joebob has the ability to make somebody bulletproof with a rubies cube for fake verification.The red shirt gives me 1x bulletproof
So you’re saying JoeBob gave a fake Doctor/BP/whatever to Barney to use and Barney gave you the 1x BP.
That means that Savant had a BP. Barney gave you a BP, and JoeBob gave a Doctor to Barney. That seems like a lot of protective roles
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@WyIted
That's fair. I did not
I’m honored you chose not to kill me
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@WyIted
The actual role is called or ability I guess is called "fuck you you are not getting my claim" and essentially that is the explanation
What does not getting a claim have to do with a permanent lynchproof?
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@WyIted
Just drop the information because I have 2 town members I have been completely transparent with and if needed they can reveal themselves to explain anything.I think they are town members anyway
The information requires me to ascertain whether you used the Vig shot or not.
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@WyIted
Still catching up, what changed after that request?
You claimed to have gotten vanillaized, which is scummy imo
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@WyIted
Yes and I find it odd that you stated you wanted to test my lynch proof everyday and then that occurred. It doesn't effect the red shirt though
Why is it odd? I always advocate for tests everyday. There was a game I did that for someone who was a Popular. On top of that, my role makes someone lynchproof
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@Barney
Our host would have to be a true bastard mod to make a lynchproof scum.
Think of it this way: why would the mod make the possibility available that two people are immune to lynches?
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Here is POE:
Town: Luna, Barney, Pie, Joe
POE: Moozer, Casey, Earth, Wylted
50% chance to lynch correctly
I personally want to lynch Moozer or Wylted atm
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I also scumread Moozer right now. He’s just been going wherever the wind blows. Buddies Savant hard. Buddied me hard for a bit. Now is buddying Lunatic, who is likely town, hard. Essentially been buddying 3 townies all game.
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@Barney
Lunatic says 5 night actions NP1:
1. Pie Magistrate
2. Barney Doctor via JoeBob
3. NK?
4. Barney “Red Shirt” to Wylted
5. TBD
This is what has been said so far.
Barney—can you confirm your two actions?
1. Pie Magistrate
2. Barney Doctor via JoeBob
3. NK?
4. Barney “Red Shirt” to Wylted
5. TBD
This is what has been said so far.
Barney—can you confirm your two actions?
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@Barney
Our host would have to be a true bastard mod to make a lynchproof scum.
Not if it was a 1-shot like the vote thief. Remember the whole fiasco between Austin and Lunatic in Mahabharata Mafia? Keep in mind that Wylted was pushing back on me verifying his Lynchproof in DP1. I can find the post. Conveniently, we can’t do that. He also can’t use his Vig shot anymore if he still has it.
Why did you assume Lunatic would be a lynch target today? And why not yourself since we pretty well all agree that would all but town confirm you?
I can’t choose myself. I explained why I chose Lunatic in my post. I thought he was the investigative role with the cop statement.
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@WyIted
What was the justification for the Perma Lynchproof?
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@Barney
How so? While it can be scum, it is most often town (I thought this was covered to death already)Plus even if it were to be most often a mafia role, that would not assure a bastard mod until the end game when balance can be properly reviewed.
MafiaScum is garbage. If you can manipulate someone’s vote, it’s anti-town. Agents of chaos are generally antitown. Anyway, I digress.
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@Barney
Correct. JoeBob protected me last night… well “someone” with a Rubiks Cube did. I figure it was either JoeBob, or BobJoe.If not for that E, we could could randomize the order to BoJoB
Very interesting indeed
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@Moozer325
It’s not just because he’s wrong, he went after Savant with such little to act on. I would have flipped the wagon with savant at the end of the last DP, but I wasn’t online.
Explain this more. What do you mean by “little.”
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
I will claim. I essentially have a 1x Magistrate shot called “Stop the Steal” which prevents any one person from being lynched. I obviously chose Lunatic as you can see in the OP. The reason I did that was because I thought Lunatic was soft claiming some sort of investigative role with the “cop Pie” tonight. Turns out my hunch was right.
With that in mind. I definitely don’t trust Wylted at this point because he got “vanillaized.” That’s sort of why I was hesitant to make Wylted solid town until we could confirm he was lynchproof today as well. My role is also sort of a CC to Wylted’s role, but I didn’t think to CC because they are technically different, and Wylted stated that he was immune every day.
I also have another piece of information that I would like to keep confidential right now, until Wylted explains what he did with the Vig shot last night, if anything. Because if he’s vanillaized, he doesn’t have the shot anymore.
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@WyIted
I was vanillaized
Huh? So you’re saying you’re a permanent vanilla now and you have zero abilities? Interesting…
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@WyIted
So there were no kills. I presume you didn’t use the Vig shot. Don’t tell us either way.
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First things first, Austin is bastard for making a townie vote thief. The role is insanely scummy. Public apology to Savant.
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@Lunatic
VTL pie though because that is horrible logic. Wtf I just re read that. He would vote me if savant flips town. Wtf lol
I just moved you to null because of your inactivity. Never once did I say I’ll scum read you. I just said it’s more suspicious because you proposed the town v town. I didn’t even say I’d vote you lol
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I’m also moving Lunatic to null for this inactivity. Expected more from him. If Savant flips town, I’ll be far more suspicious of Lunatic tomorrow because he was the one who mentioned the Town v Town fight, which scum would definitely know.
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@Barney
Have I missed anyone? And I’ll be at a real computer in a little while to properly catch up and provide some reads.
I think you got everything
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@WyIted
I would just tell him what he wants to hear. We all have short memories here
That’s true, but it’s a bad precedent either way. I got burned when I did it on DDO. I’m not gonna throw like I did on DDO.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@Savant
@WyIted
@Moozer325
Sry, I do townread Wylted and Barney. (You didn't townread Wylted and were against giving him the shot, but then you flip-flopped once he had the shot.)
He’s not solid town. He’s lean town. Until he proves he’s Lynchproof tomorrow as well, he stays there. Barney is town. I changed my opinion with new information. That’s what town does.
Why would I think that if I got the role as scum?
I already explained this.
Do you mean actually town?Since Pie doesn't actually seem very confident in me being scum, then maybe none of you should be either.
Yes, I meant town. I’ve been adamant you’re scum this entire time. I’m on vacation and literally was out for 13 hours today and hiked like 3 miles.
Okay now I’m actually done.
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Anyways I’m done responding to Savant. Not going to clutter the DP anymore. I’ll leave yall with this: I’ve had town we town fights like this people. I’m not going to risk 2 town mislynches if Savant is actually scum. It’s against my wincon to that.
If all you experienced people could back me up on this. Cause the noobs go whichever way the wind blows.
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@Savant
So then why wouldn't I have done that? Rather than generalizing this as a "WIFOM" argument, maybe explain what possible reason I would have to not cause chaos, when I knew this role wouldn't confirm me?
You thought you could use the role for town cred and coast to endgame, that’s why you didn’t do that. Pretty simple.
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@Savant
Yeah but someone would be slightly faster. And Austin would not kill WyIted over that if there's a slight difference, because it wouldn't be fair to him to kill him if there's any time difference at all.
And how’s he going to know?
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@Lunatic
@Savant
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Pie is willing to risk killing a town member, so that's not why he values his own life. Perhaps he values his own life because he is scum and he doesn't value the lives of townies.
I don’t know 100% if he’s town or not. No one here does.
I suspect you, see Earth as possible scum, and I'm null on everyone else. I've explained why I suspect you and I'm not about to divert from that.
Lol okay, so the two people you OMGUS are scum, rest are null, not even town. Even Wylted isn’t town?
Even if Pie doesn't agree to 1v1, if he says he's basically 100% sure I'm scum and I'm town, the rest of you have to see that as suspicious.
It’s not suspicious as all. If 2 townies get lynched it’s basically game over. I know I’m town. I’m confident that it won’t come to 2 townie getting lynched because Savant is scum.
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@Savant
And even if you were right about how the role works, I would know that by asking Austin and could frame someone by giving them the shot.
Sure, you could. That’s what it’s designed for. To cause chaos—classic scum ability.
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@Savant
But they submit both votes in one post/action. If someone had two accounts for some reason and submitted each vote under a separate account, they would not be simultaneous. I submit one vote in the forum and one vote in the PMs.
It’s actually possible for 2 people to vote for someone at the same time. You just click at the same time. I don’t think you can look at milliseconds on this site. Either way, this all goes back to the fact that no one can confirm anything you’re saying because we can’t ask Austin.
You are committing to lynching me and potentially losing a town member. If you are 99.9% sure I am scum, you should be willing to risk your own life as well to guarantee I get lynched.
That’s not the way it works. You’re a noob, you don’t know. You may think you’re being smart, but you’re not.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Moozer325
I'm willing to trade my life to get rid of someone I suspect. Pie isn't. Scum is much more incentivized to value their own life, since one scum member is half of their team.
A 1v1 means nothing. As town my job is to stay alive and hunt for scum. I’m not going to risk my life for this if I’m wrong, and all you experienced folk know about this ploy. Savant has not hunted scum. I’ve narrowed the POE down at the very least. Idt Savant has even provided full reads (could be wrong though.)
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@Savant
Yeah but mafia doesn't follow US laws. The law enforcement here (Austin) has decided the vote is now mine. If I steal someone's vote to benefit me, why would they get the benefits of that?
But Austin hasn’t said that legally the vote is yours even if it has Earth’s name on it, and no one can confirm that that’s actually his intention or not.
So according to you, this should make you even more sure I am scum and even more willing to say "if Savant is town, lynch me" in order to make lynching me easier, right?
Townies have said that too as I mentioned before, and we lost that game. I’m not going to commit to something I don’t 100% know.
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@Savant
What makes you think this? Has that ever been done in the history of mafia?
Yes. Doublevoters for example.
If you are 99.9% sure I am scum, and you are town, then making it easier to lynch me is worth that 1/1000 risk. You have no certainty that I will actually be lynched. If you are really town and that sure I am scum, you should be willing to make that trade in a heartbeat.
Again, that 0.01% revolves around throwing the game, which I’m not going to do ever. Like I said, you’re not the first person that’s brought this up. I have too, and I’ve gotten burned and gotten people burned.
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@Savant
But you said you know how the vote thief role works. The vote thief steals a vote form themself. If you've played with the role before, you should know the name on the vote is only there to hide the identity of the vote thief.
That’s correct but I’ve never played a game where something is given to someone based on who hammers. Normally it shouldn’t matter who’s name is on there.
Why, if it's not actually their vote?
It is their vote—you’ve just stolen it. If you steal my gun, by law, it still belongs to me.
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@Savant
That doesn't bypass it, because as soon as I put the first vote on him, the record would be wiped. I would have to put one vote first, even if it's a millisecond difference.
It’s possible to simultaneously place votes. And again, no one here can confirm how a vote thief would work because Austin wouldn’t answer.
If you tell people to lynch you if I am innocent, I will tell everyone to vote for me, and vote for myself with both of my votes. If I am scum, that is a win for you.
That’s not the way this works, and you’re not first person to pull this. As a townie my job is to stay alive and help town win. If in the 0.01% you turn out to be scum and I commit to this, I am by definition playing against my wincon
So go on, tell everyone that if I am innocent, they should lynch you.
Read above.
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@Savant
They would be dead after they get hammered.
I meant for the Shirt.
No I could just hammer with someone else's vote and no one would know I did it. When a vote thief steals a vote, it's their vote. There is no way Austin would give Barney a role like that if I am scum aligned.
The name on the vote is Earth’s even though you control it. I can’t even ask how this would work cause Austin wouldn’t answer, and I don’t trust you. But the way it should work is that whoever’s name is on the final vote gets it.
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@Savant
And you will stand by that statement after my alignment is revealed?
If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I’m convinced you’re scum based on your play this game, your behavior, and your role.
I hope you stand by this after you lynch me.
If you’re the first town vote thief, Austin is basically bastard mod
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@Savant
It said usually town-aligned, which already destroys your case since Austin would be just as likely to visit that site as me. Also reading that would make me not claim vote thief, because it would have told me the role is given to scum a good chunk of the time. When I go it as town, I thought giving it to scum would be unthinkable for reasons I already said. Would make zero sense for me to so this as scum.
What you think your actions would have been is WIFOM. Austin could’ve visited the site, but I know you visited the site because you’re the one that brought it up.
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@Savant
Go, on daddy's calling. After you lynch me, just remember to lynch Pie who is apparently "100% sure" I'm scum.
It’s hyperbole but more like 99.99% sure
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I’m happy that Savant doesn’t have the shot. Wylted is basically confirmed atm. Everyone should still check his claim tomorrow by putting another 4 votes on him. If he’s lying about being 100% unlynchable, then he should 100% be lynched.
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@Savant
Exactly the kind of thing I expected to hear from scum Pie. If Pie is scum, he literally has every reason to read me as scum and ignore anything that would make me town, despite it being conceded by basically everyone that there are good reasons to think I might be town, at the very least. I'm taking pressure off Earth for now.
Can you read? I was responding in order. Nothing of what you said makes you “town” by any means. You’re grasping at straws.
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@Earth
@Barney
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Moozer325
This is just laughable at this point. Let me explain once again why Savant has to be scum while responding to all his claims.
1) There has been no semblance of scum hunting. His two scum reads are both OMGUS in me and Earth.
2) As a town vote thief, even if you want to confirm yourself, you should want to steal the vote of someone you suspect as scum. When asked why he chose Earth, he said it was yolo, and done just to confirm himself.
3) Then he acts “town-confirmed” and gathers a wagon to gain the 1x Vig shot. For all you noobs, in the history of mafia on this site for sure and probably DDO, a Vote Thief has NEVER been town.
4) Savant says, well if I am scum, why would I claim my scummy role? The answer to this is simple. He looked up the mechanics of the role one MafiaScum, where it says Vote Thief is “town aligned.” It’s idiotic, but I digress. Scum Savant at this point gets excited. He can role confirm himself by stealing a rando’s vote and gain the 1x Vig and bring the game to MYLO. But he is still relatively new and has no clue that Vote Thief’s are scum on this site.
5) We know that Austin has done extensive research into all the games on this site. He’s a geek in that sense. He has definitely seen that Vote Thief is scum on this site, but Savant hasn’t done that research. His first thought on seeing the MafiaScum and then the 1x Vig. Wow this is too easy. So much so that he forgot he has to act townie and scum hunt.
6) His role matches perfectly with Wylted (in an opposite sense) who at this point, assuming he’s unlynchable tomorrow, is town. The only way to bypass Wylted’s L-1 mechanic is the Vote Thief simultaneously putting the last two votes on him. For all you youngsters, games are designed to be balanced. Town has counters to scum, and scum has counters to town.
7) Here is my response to Post 516. Couple of things here. Yes, Austin gave the Vote Thief designed to cause the very chaos that Savant describes. That’s the entire purpose of the vote thief: to sow chaos. Here’s the problem with him using the Double Vote in the Shirt situation. Whoever the Vote Thief hammers with the stolen vote is automatically suspicious. Thus, the only way the vote stealing benefits scum is if the scum partner’s vote is stolen and used to hammer, or alternatively Savant can gain the town cred and hammer and take it for himself without much suspicion. What’s the obvious ploy here?
8) Savant pulled the “why is Pie inactive” line on me when I explicitly stated I’m on vacation. Not only that, he doubles down on the fact that I’m avoiding him or something by asking the “why don’t you vote me if you think I’m scum.” I explicitly said that I was reading the DP and what happened.
VTL Savant.
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Okay this is too long replying individually especially since I’m on my phone. I’m going to read everything and give my thoughts
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@Savant
He was not lazy in Invincible mafia, when he was scum.
I’m not lazy regardless of my affiliation, which you conveniently left out cause last game I was town and talked the most.
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