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@Stephen
Hey, Stephen. How have you been? Long time no see you.
What you say is correct but unfortunately today's people still behave like the ancients, no matter how many times you explain them with evidence, specially the religious people. It's really a pity because the theory of the ancient Gods answer many questions.
That's why I opened this thread, to show these people the uselessness of their beliefs.
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@cristo71
One should note: god does not have to exist for there to be theists, nor must god not exist for there to be atheists.
Atheists exist because of theists.
The question, though, is not about whether God exists or not. I opened this thread in order to elucidate if believing in God has been beneficial for humanity. You know what the answer is to me.
This describes apatheism perfectly. “A god exists? Ok, now what?” If god is some vague, undefined, non material whatever that one cannot prove nor disprove, then “so what?” If god is the supreme omnipotent creator spirit of the universe who inspired a certain scripture, then prove it, and good luck with that. In the meantime, I will be an apatheist.
My thread (or string) is a call to reflection. The world doesn't need a "God", never needed it, and I'm refering to the God of religions. Two fkn centuries trying to impose a customized "God" and look at the shit that humanity still is.
The problem of humanity is not that people dont believe in a God. Most people in developed Asian countries don’t believe in a God but in principles and they are even better than the US that is a country full of hypocritical puritans.
I'm not here to convince anyone. If you believe in God that's not of my business, but please cut the shit already. We dont need religions, we need self awareness, knowing ourselves, recognize that we need a mind change.
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Peterson is not a Christian because he's not that stupid. He indeed discussed several times the contradictions he found in Christian beliefs.
If he uses Christianity in his professional practice is because he find it very helpful for people, specially for the gullible ones.
In fact, I heard that he meditates oftently which to my understanding has been very helpful for his depression. You might find it unbelievable but he also said that he went into trance during his meditation, a kind of spiritual experience.
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@Mall
Do you know what is funny about your comment? I always thought you weren't religious but look at you now.
We just need that you pray in this forum. Lol.
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@Castin
I've thought very hard about becoming a theist, many times. I wouldn't say that "nothing" would happen if I did -- it would fundamentally change the way I see the universe and my place in it.
So you think "God" is the universe.
That's interesting. It's Spinoza's God.
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@fauxlaw
That's why I think the most sensical position is the agnosticism, like me.
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@LucyStarfire
Well, you dont.
Maybe for old people. If you go to the church you'll see a lot of elders. It's the fear to death.
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@fauxlaw
How does one successfully argue a negative? Some atheists are smart enough to know that, as you concluded.
You seem to be clueless about the atheists in this forum. Lol.
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@Lemming
It's the ego, Lemming. I tell you why.
These people that piss us off now with their nonsensical bullshit are exactly the same as the ones that existed in the middle ages. You might have heard about the Inquisition, this Catholic group that persecuted those who didn't agree with them. They killed people in the most abhorrent way only because they didn't tolerate other beliefs. This is pure ego, and probably more evil than that.
The ego wants to be right all the time and doesn't admit críticism or rejection. If you reject someone that is controlled by his ego, you'd better run away because you're in danger.
I won't cease to repeat that religious fanatics are the most dangerous specimen in this world. You'd just have to see how the muslims are doing, they behave like a primitive society. I heard a case in which an atheist confronted a Muslim about his beliefs. That was in Europe. The dude didn’t consider who he was dealing with. The muslim ended up stabbing him to death because this was his duty in the name of Allah, killing everyone that opposses their dogmas.
I'm going to be frank with you because you seem to be a good guy. The problem of this world is not that there are people that don't believe in God. This is just a fkn pretext of religious people to get more followers for their religion. The real issue of this world is the ego. People don't understand that this world is fucked up because people are uncapable to control their ego. This is specially true in politics, you'll see a lot of politicians, specially lefties, trying to impose their beliefs allthough they have been proven wrong.
This is the true devil, the ego in us, but people can't see it. Who cares if there is a God? We don’t get anything by believing in a God. The better prove of it is the atheist, most of them are more righteous and moral than Christians.
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@zedvictor4
Nonetheless, if there is a GOD I'm guessing that it is not as stupid as theists make it out to be.
All the same, uncle. If you believe there is a God but with other traits different to the religious, they are going to piss you off anyway. They will try to convince you that their God is the real one.
So, in the end it's the same fruitless debate that I suggest not to engage in.
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@RemyBrown
Interesante lo que contas. Y no es que me sienta solo, estaba jodiendo allí. De hecho me siento bastante cómodo polemizando con los yanquis.
Anyway, we'd better come back to english because I know your folks don't like Spanish at all.
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I'm refering to the typical concept of "God" that religions preach. I mean, a God that is somewhere watching over us, listening to the praying of the people but doing nothing about it, seemingly. A "God" that is waiting for the end of the times to reward their slaves... I mean, people who obey him, and also to punish mercilessly the people who didn’t put on their knees and obey him word by word. Haha.
Jokes aside and in all seriousness. Is it worth the endless debates between atheists and religious people? What religious people get if atheists accept that there is a God? Are they getting a salary increase if they do so?
To me this is pure fkn ego, either from atheists or religious people competing to convince others about their position. Although, I've got to admit religious people are more fkn obnoxious because I've never met an atheist trying to convince me there is no God.
What do you think, dear atheist? Have you ever thought about what it would happen if you accept that God exists? I tell you what would happen. Nothing. It's worthless. So, next time a religious guy tells you that there is a God, just reply "yes, I agree" and turn back to your duties. Be happy.
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@RemyBrown
Tengo 25% Latino ADN. Me gusta Joe Rogan hasta el Entrevista a TTrump.
Cool!! Now I dont feel so alone in this forum.
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Marx was good at lying down and scratching his balls. That's all.
Most of what he wrote is mental mansturbation of a fkn lazy man. He had the fortune that some of his writings were considered as something worth the time, maybe because it was suis generis but time has proven that it was mere crap.
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@LucyStarfire
Are you getting in trouble again, BK?
What happened, dude?
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I have a free sugar diet but it doesn't mean I can't get some sweets at the weekends. A piece of cake, a coke or a cone of ice cream is ok. The key is not to abuse it.
In fact, I realized that I enjoy more the sweets when I don't eat it in a while. The same is with sex, I enjoy it more when I dont do it for a long time, say a week or two. Lol.
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I'm under the impression that Remmy is hispanic, or at least has hispanic roots.
¿Cierto, Remmy? Decime que sí.
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I bet all my savings that this new user @Lashwnda is another parody made by @Wylted.
Lol.
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@zedvictor4
And if Musk stood for President, dumbasses would vote for him.
If he could he would.
Looking closely at the life stories of Musk made me realize that the dude is a fkn narcisist, even much more than Trump.
Nothing good can come out of these kind of people.
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Firstable, gnosticism defines God pretty much like the God of Baruch Spinoza, which is very popular among the current spiritual movements, as in the new age movement for instance. So, it's not a rare belief.
Besides, the Demiurge is seen as something mystic but it's not. Gnosticism refers to it as real entities led by Yahve or Jehova. So, the Demiurge is very likely the extraterrestrial being that was in charge of this planet Earth. He didn't exactly created this material world but the system in the Earth that keep us under slavery, so it is a flawed and corrupted system.
Not sure about this but Gnosticism is also refered as the genuine movement that teach the legit teachings of Jesus and that neither Paul nor Peter were the closest disciples of Jesus but Mary Magdalene, the woman that was considered a hooker by the Christian Church. According to gnosticism, she was the only person who understood pretty well Jesus' teachings. It makes sense that Jesus not only has chosen male disciples but also females. This dogma that women cant participate in leading the Church is primitive and idiotic, it doesn’t make sense that someone like Jesus didn't allow women to teach and lead.
It would be interesting that you check out the lost gospels of Thomas and Mary so you can see how identical their teachings are to the new spiritual movements that are appearing around based on eastern phylosophies like Buddhism. For gnosticism, it's not about obbeying a supreme being that will judge humaninity any time soon but waking up our divine consciousness through an inner work that will eventually free ourselvess from this material world. So, all what we need has always been inside us, not outside. No need of a church or priests, nothing, just ourselves. This is pretty much attractive, not so for the Church though. That explains why the Church persecuted Christian gnostics, it would have been the end of the Church and its control over the people.
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@AdaptableRatman
Wow, that lasted very briefly.
They don't care about the rules, they want to be popular. If even David is this spineless that says it all.
Mods asked you to be a moderator, not a policeman.
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@fauxlaw
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@AdaptableRatman
The reality is, our urge to be free is not itself evil but must be tempered. Discipline and devotion to God matter more than freedom. Thus wanting to be free from secular tyranny such as China's is good.
I think there is no need to bring up your God all the time. It's annoying.
When I said that I agree with benevolent dictatorships, I was refering to something like Singapore which is considered as so. If you dont know about the history of this country, you should. You will fall on your ass when you realize how this country could get out of poverty. Westerners don’t like it but to me it's the only way to evolve as a primitive species.
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@fauxlaw
So what? Rome lasted 500 years. The US needs a bit more time to catch up. All the same, the fact that the great masses have the right to vote doesnt mean shit.
The problem is that you think people have the last decision but it doesn't work like this. You have the deep state in the US taking decisions in the shadows. The media also takes part in it spreading the news that are more convinient for the status quo. So, are people really voting by themselves?
While I think a benevolent dictatorship is better, it's not that easy to get it. There is an adage that says "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely". So, I don’t know, it's a dilema.
Maybe when the AI gets enough developed we can put it as our dictator because this piece of code is uncorruptible.
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@AdaptableRatman
The solution is benevolent dictatorship with feudalistic leadership.
I never expected to say that but you're fkn right. I can give as an example the case of Chile during the dictatorship of Pinochet. Chile was a fkn mess and got fixed with the General. I mean, it wasnt a benevolent dictatorship but it worked pretty well.
I don’t believe in democracy either, it has proven wrong, it's not sustainable over time. So, I agree with Plato in that sense.
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Politcal parties are not good for applying what they preach. They are all corrupted by greedy people looking for power. So, you can tell where all the evil in this planet comes from.
Besides, I don’t think it's about helping a specific social class but finding an ideology that is suitable for the human being. This ideology is the libertarianism imho because it gets the best out of the human being.
When you give absolute liberty to people they can do their best to get what they want, it's very rewarding. It's not like communism or socialism where you can't give your best because you know you have to share your achievements with the rest. It sucks.
Besides, it's been demonstrated ad nauseam that the wealthiest countries are the ones with the most liberty in term of economy. People don’t give a fuck about politics, they only want to make money to have a better life. That's why China has grown so fast and reduce their poverty eventhough it's a communist country.
Maybe in the near future we can think about socialism, but now it's too soon to consider it.
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@zedvictor4
Bro D is an American, and both Bro D and Stephen debate on DDebateIsland.
I guess this DebateIsland you're talking about is another website and not this one, but Ive just checked on it and it seems to be for students. What are they doing there?
Anyway. It's a pity Stephen is not here, he seemed to know more about the scriptures than the Christians themselves. No wonder this user Tradesecret always ended up having problems with him. Lol.
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@AdaptableRatman
You know pretty well these people eventhough you are practically a new user, don’t ya?
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@zedvictor4
Do you know Stephen in person? That's cool.
What about Bro Thomas? Is he a brit too?
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You forgot to mention that your God not only refuse to help but also put a being that people call Satan to make your life more complicated. Your God doesn’t want you to go on because he's tripping all the time over you so you can fall and stay down.
Honestly, don’t you see all the nonsense in this belief?
Rofl
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@Greyparrot
I miss playing Starcraft. I used to play it when I was in the uni, always played as Zealot.
The best strategic game I ever played.
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@Double_R
I just to want to make it clear that I'm not a Republican. I'm not even American.
If I supported Trump's campaign is only because MAGA is the key to end up with this nonsensical movement of wokism around the world. I don’t have to explain it any further since we're all seeing what Trump is doing with respect to it, and he's doing great by the way. Everybody is talking about a new world order where progressism is destroyed and thrown into where it belongs, the trash can.
So, I have no problem to criticize Trump. Is he an egocentric sob? Sure, he may be a sob but he's our sob. (Roosevelt dixit).
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I really thought this guy FishChaser was having a tough time. It turned out that he was fucking around.
No wonder he didn't respond to my question, I was willing to give him a bit of hope.
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Pelosi knew it, Obama knew it, all of the democrat leaders knew it but did nothing about it.
No wonder why some experts considered it as elder abuse. And I was blaming old Joe for all the stupid things he was doing. He was only a puppet, the actual masters were preparing what to do for the next term.
Hope he can die in peace and far away from these fake people that are the democrats.
No wonder why some experts considered it as elder abuse. And I was blaming old Joe for all the stupid things he was doing. He was only a puppet, the actual masters were preparing what to do for the next term.
Hope he can die in peace and far away from these fake people that are the democrats.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Focusing on the negative just causes more pain there.
That is a good tip.
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May I know what is making you suffer so much?
Your profile says you're in Israel. Are you involved in this conflict with Palestinians?
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@AdaptableRatman
So how did incel culture happen?
This is a recent term. The first time I heard of it, people refer to it as a way to live without women, it was a sort of response to the toxic feminism tht was rising some decades ago. I've never thought it was going to end up as a hate movement against women.
Anyway, it has nothing to do with what I stated. I said that men can transmute their sexual energy into a creative energy for their progress. It doesn’t mean they have to stop fucking, that would be unhealthy for the balls and the prostate. It just means that they can use most of their energy into productive activities.
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@Shila
So why not focus on all three?
Because you would have more chances to attain what you want quicker.
Did you know why most successful people are usually single? I mean, people that work hard in the office looking for being promoted. They are fkn workaholics, they don’t stop until they become CEOs. And not just men but also women who renounce to be mothers. That's why my ass usually laughs out loud when I hear these fkn feminists saying that they are discriminated because they don't get the highest positions in the biggest corporations. It's not that they are discriminated, it's just that they can't leave their precious dreams of being mothers to pursue professional success. The competition is fierce so its quite difficult for a woman with little children (or even worse, pregnant) to make professional progress.
I'm not saying they don't have sex. They do but to a lesser degree, specially with hookers.
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@AdaptableRatman
It is a God construct, not social. Creationism is true, we did not evolve we were designed specially to marry.
Hahahahahaha.
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@AdaptableRatman
Cath husband. Cath wife. Both true nit fakers. Patient, rushing no sex, waiting to marry when both are truly ready, man well employed, woman stable also. This is peak.
I'm not going to opine about it, I'm not married nor have children. I don't care either to be honest, marriage is just a fkn social construct to better organize a primitive society like ours. It's useless to me.
I was talking about personal progress. The energy that we spend in having sex can be used to other endevours that can lead us to our life realization. It's a matter of focus, you don't focus on girls' asses that pass by the streets anymore but rather you focus on your progress.
It seems unreal but it's true, if you focus on something you get it. If you focus on sex you eventually get a girl and do it, but if you focus on making money instead of sex, you get it too.
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@AdaptableRatman
Yes and then I read you admitting the Satanic approach to sex is flawed just now.
Care to explain whr the flaw is?
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@AdaptableRatman
So you actualy realise how bad Satanic approach is but still take it
Did you realize what my user name means?
I am Il Diavolo.
Lol.
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Yep, sex is quite delicious, and very dirty as well, but it's not just for bringing annoying critters to the world.
According to some spiritual doctrines, sex is a form of creative energy that is very powerful since it's usually meant to "create" new life but it's not necessarily limited to it. Those doctrines state that this energy can be used in different ways, if it's used for our life progress and evolution instead of sex it can be tremendously beneficial.
To some extent it's kind of right. No wonder why men usually succeeds when they are in their fifties because they don't think on sex anymore, or think less on it, so this powerful sexual energy is used in other useful ways. I guess most users of this forum can tell a lot about that, I heard there are lot of elders here. Lol.
According to some spiritual doctrines, sex is a form of creative energy that is very powerful since it's usually meant to "create" new life but it's not necessarily limited to it. Those doctrines state that this energy can be used in different ways, if it's used for our life progress and evolution instead of sex it can be tremendously beneficial.
To some extent it's kind of right. No wonder why men usually succeeds when they are in their fifties because they don't think on sex anymore, or think less on it, so this powerful sexual energy is used in other useful ways. I guess most users of this forum can tell a lot about that, I heard there are lot of elders here. Lol.
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@AdaptableRatman
Wrong he was simply the first official Buddha,
Whatever it is, his teachings came out of his mouth so his phylosophy was named after him. He was called the Budha, meaning the enlightened, so people call his teachings "Buddhism". There is nothing misleading there.
It's like Christianity, Jesus was called the "Christ", meaning the anointed. He wasn't the first called Christ but everybody knows him as the Christ so his teachings are called "Christianity". There are lot of Christs in this world, including a user in this forum (the user "Cristo").
I don’t know why you're trying to convince us otherwise with this long-winded speech.
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@AdaptableRatman
Almost your entire post was false. It is a minority religion in Asia if we contrast it to Asia's pioulation.
Yes, you're right. I meant to say the most developed Asian countries are budhist. The shithole countries are muslims or hindus.
Buddha is the title of anyone that made it to Nirvana.
Buddha is the guy whose teachings were taken to create Buddhism.
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Most Asians are budhists and they seem to be OK. They are not heartless as some people say. It's just that they can control their emotions better than Westerners do, and they are more successful because they live under the budhist principles.
Buddhism is more about a life style, not a religion. There are people that worship Budha as a God as much as you can see Christians worshipping Jesus. I will never understand this strange behavior of worshipping a man of flesh and blood but it seems people do it out of necessity so I'm not going to judge.
If I were you I wouldn't choose a specific religion or phylosophy but I would pick some things of each one that suits best for my life. In my case, I read a lot of budhism and taoism, and in general books that address spirituality (which is basically mindfulness) in a sensical way.
Buddhism is more about a life style, not a religion. There are people that worship Budha as a God as much as you can see Christians worshipping Jesus. I will never understand this strange behavior of worshipping a man of flesh and blood but it seems people do it out of necessity so I'm not going to judge.
If I were you I wouldn't choose a specific religion or phylosophy but I would pick some things of each one that suits best for my life. In my case, I read a lot of budhism and taoism, and in general books that address spirituality (which is basically mindfulness) in a sensical way.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Necessary for homosexuals. Do you have any idea how many fagots are willing to pay for a remedy to their faggotry? Countless.
I think they should accept themselves for who they are but most homosexuals are wealthy and they can finance hands down a research to cure them.
What is it that you think it's needed to start off a research like that, besides the money? I think it's possible. I have the feeling that it's something hormonal, related to the food, the water or some other thing that makes the body be unbalanced. For example in the US the incidence of autism is increasing dangerously, that's defenitely something related to what Americans consume.
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I guess it is. A disorder is a sort of unbalance in the body, so homosexuality seems to be a hormonal or nervious system unbalance that make people be attracted to the same genre. I have the feeling that it's possible to revert it and make gays be hetero again. The problem is that scientists don't research it because homosexuality has been declared not a disorder which is a big mistake.
While it is not desirable to be a faggot, I don't think it's something terrible. Gays can have normal lives but I think it's necessary to find a cure for it.
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@Shila
Try it sometime.
No, Shirley, I won't marry you just to have sex with you.
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@Shila
Marriage guarantees continued sex.
ROFL!!!!
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