Lemming

I 'do think myself,

Than children have a greater plasticity than adults.

Doesn't mean you can't teach an old dog new tricks, or preferences,

But it 'is more difficult,

I'd also suspect that 'some abilities 'do atrophy so much they fall off permanently, if not developed.

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Fair point on the subconscious mind.

@NoBodyInParticular

READ-ONLY-MEMORY?

I see that it's a technical term, having to do with computers,

But the 'meaning escapes me.

There 'are platforms that nearly everyone uses or expects others to use though,

Gmail for example.

Would you say there is a difference between choice,

And 'functional choice?

I ask this, as I can imagine a ship with a rudder,

But if the rudder is full of holes, badly decayed, to the point it no longer influences outcome,

It does not seem to me much different than having 'no rudder,

Even if 'technically, the ship could be said to have a rudder.

I suppose being online,

Would remove some of the necessity from some businesses,

Compared for example the only grocery store in town, refusing to do business with X people.

Online more often has more options.

@TWS1405_2

I agree and disagree with parts,

But suppose I'll focus on Will.

Do you view acting/will as 'exactly the same as choice,

Or do you view there as differences between the two concepts.

We 'can effect our genes though, I'd argue.

Though we might not 'want to effect our genes, if it's not in our genes, conscious mind, or circumstance.

As an example,

Though I'm not sure if body parts = genes,

Also I suspect it's a fair bit crude/primitive still, in many ways.

But various organs or pieces of organs removed,

Or substances taken, as some people do under medical guidance,

Can effect inclinations of the body encouraging thoughts/actions, to the mind.

@Double_R

Well, I wouldn't say I ignored your request,

But I suppose I didn't answer it 'specifically.

Life experiences have an effect on a person's preferences,

Doesn't matter if it's food, politics, philosophy, religion, sex.

Some life experiences are like a drop of water, hitting and carving a path into stone, over years,

Others like a high pressure water blaster, on just for a moment.

. . .

Cultivation of a person, maybe isn't an exact science,

Where one can say with certainty 'this person will be this if nurtured this way,

People not 'so powerful in perception and understanding.

'Could be I'm wrong,

And that sexual attraction is as hard coded as a person having schizophrenia,

Though even that, nurture can have an impact,

But I don't think I'm wrong.

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If my life experiences had been full of homosexual tone,

Might be I'd be gay or bisexual now,

I 'assume but do not know,

That your argument to this would be,

My view is more tiny percentages though, of possibility, of influence,

I also think tiny percentages can be added on, or subtracted, by life experiences or changes to body.

I didn't, but bought some cantaloupe yesterday,

Eat part of that today,

Eat kiwis and carrots three days a week, usually.

'Sometimes tofu, extra firm, just cut it into strips and crisp it in the oven.

Nice,

Never eaten it myself,

But searched an image up online, looks tasty.

Homemade?

I'd agree it's a soft science,

But at the same time I'd argue science is not always hard,

Nor understanding.

. .

1+1=2 is pretty exact,

But demolishing a building can be tricky, not always work,

Sometimes building doesn't fall right, but it does often enough, that certain protocol are followed, methods.

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I'd agree moderation is hard for some people,

I 'do think people have underlying genetic inclinations.

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I've thought on the vegan argument before,

Whether 'if humans nutrition requirements 'could be provided for,

It would be better to cause the extinction of other species.

If one views other organisms as living things, as people in a 'sense,

Isn't it better they do not reproduce?

As someone with some horrible 100% certain to pass on genetic suffering condition,

But that's the Antinatalist in me.

. . 

But then the problem pops up,

Of the circle of life,

Ecosystems 'requiring niches and organisms,

Deer overpopulate perhaps, without wolves,

Eat all the grass, not enough food, too many in close proximity, disease, pain suffering, longer/deeper even, than being eaten alive perhaps.

Though famine and disease may lack murderous intent.

. . . . .

Also problem of one is 'unable to exterminate 'all organisms possibly,

Like ants everywhere.

But I'm rambling.

While I'd agree people have a choice,

I also think they don't have a choice,

A certain action towards a person, in a certain moment,

Was always going to create an action by the person acted towards.

But, we don't know futures, until we've arrived at them,

And outside influenced or not, a person still has a will.

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Just following orders, doesn't tend to get accepted as a defense,

Justice system tends to make the argument that those individuals still had a choice, 'despite the consequences.

. .

That's where the have and have not, of choice comes in for me.

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Environment has an influence on us,

Even if we look to our Ego and Will,

'Hard not to be influenced by surroundings.

Either an unhealthy Large Marie Callender's Pot Pie,

Or I might boil some large elbow pasta, eat that with a small bit of meat and swiss cheese.

And yet peer pressure exists, I'd argue.

People take actions, speak certain words,

In the expectation they might tilt another person's path.

Take ads for example,

Lot of people buy an object, they might not have before.

. . .

Take people who influence other's to kill,

Manson might not have killed anyone personally,

But his actions caused others to kill.

. . . .

I 'do like the ideal though,

For individuals to remember their freedom,

Their body being tied to their 'own impulses, choices.

Is it the concept or the real?

Though how can there 'be a concept, without the real?

I think on thought crimes sometimes,

Though there is the more regular argument of thought effecting action,

Thus an individual ought seek to regulate himself.

I sometimes think on. . . Sacrality. The 'Sacred aspect,

One should not think of hurting people, because the thought is wrong in itself,

. .

Even an 'image of people being for pleasure, ought not exist, being an afront to what is right.

. .

. .

This sounds a bit absurd,

And one more usual finds reason in 'consequence.

But I find myself not minding absurdism much sometimes,

Not finding an end reason in anything.

. . .

Course there are reasons for thoughts and images to exist,

Whether as teaching aids, or to allow freedom of speech, not allowing freedom of speech could lead to greater harm.

Yet a thought in me says, even 'if allowing of freedom of speech, 'still seems wrong,

But that is a bit of absurdity, yes, I'm sure.

Some item deigned a value to hold.

. . . . . . . . .

The concept or the real, . .

People get offended by symbols, often in life, in gestures, ideas,

My logic says because of threats to this or that,

Dominance, for example, honor, respect,

Whether held by others towards an individual,

Or by the individual themself.

But a person might cut down a sign, with an offending message,

But it is just a concept,

. . Though perhaps it 'becomes an action, signs are pieces of wood. . .

Are we all just concepts, symbols?

Heh, random thoughts.

I don't really know anything about gay to straight conversion therapy,

I don't trust it either, from offhand stories I've heard about it.

Well,

I don't trust the institutions and methods,

I also don't 'much care if other people are gay,

Don't see it as something to 'fix in them.

. . .

People 'have done research on 'other fixes,

Such as getting people off addictions to various substances and activities,

Drugs, anger, hoarding, fear of flying in airplanes.

. . . .

I'd agr-

Hm, I'd 'maybe agree on the dormant argument you make,

Perhaps it is like memories,

Memories can long be forgotten, then some smell of hay, remind one of it.

I say 'maybe,

Because I imagine 'some kinks are forced down or abandoned because of ideological reasons,

The kink making the person ashamed or outraged by it's existence,

Nonconsensual torture for example. some people are sadists, (Though I think it only 'really matters for 'real people and 'real actions)

(Though on 'another hand, I wrote up a character once in a piece of fiction, born to a fantasy race that due to their genetics enjoyed pain in others,

The character argued a philosophy that it was fine and good to enjoy the emotion, so long as the action was 'necessary, though many people would 'look for 'excuses of it being necessary, by such a philosophy I imagine.)

But 'maybe,

Because the right circumstances could bring a taste back to the forefront,

But then,

I suspect we could 'all become anything, given the right circumstances,

. . .

Hm, but 'gone would be more never having the taste to begin with,

Once one has it,

Maybe it's there 'forever,

Though perhaps one can make it smaller, fade it a fair bit,

By making new life memories 'without said taste, for example.

Live with some horror situation a year,

Maybe never disappears, but living 10 years 'out of said horror situation, scales get weighed.

. . .

Course some situations carry more weight, even if short timeframe,

And some memories are intrusive, that they are 'still part of the years out of said horror situation,

That one is 'still 'in said horror situation.

. . .

. . .

But such is reason for various psychology tricks people use, to regulate their minds.

Ever since my eldest brother found a tiny worm in his tuna fish,

I have 'not enjoyed tuna fish.

If I ate it more regularly, again,

I imagine I could enjoy it again,

But since that event, I've only eaten it rarely, times that I needed to eat 'something.

If I go a long time without eating junk food,

It often tastes disgusting too me,

'Way too much grease, salt, sugar,

Compared to cleaner foods.

Course I often build back my tolerance for junk food.

I've gained and lost sexual kinks,

Not going to say 'what though.

. . .

I 'do think it's easier to gain tastes, than to lose them though.

(That's just a vague intuitive 'assumption on my part though, I've no good examples or logic to argue towards that conclusion, of easier to gain, harder to lose.)

I could choose to chop off my leg,

I could then choose to have a hospital re-attach it,

But I don't want to.

. . .

If you offered me a million dollars to be sexually attracted to pillows,

I'd 'then make that choice,

But I don't want to be attracted to pillows,

Or go through the time and effort required for such. For 'no money.

. . . .

Society I grew up in normalizes and prioritized in normalcy, people being attracted to the opposite sex,

If the society I grew up in had normalized and prioritized in normalcy, people being attracted to the same sex, it's possible I would be gay now,

Is my view.

. . .

If I don't like a food,

But 'choose to eat the food anyway, (Reason being curiosity, health reasons, or it get's me drunk, for examples)

Eventually I might come to like it,

Acquired taste.

Well, just because one 'could make a choice, provided circumstance was right, doesn't mean one is currently 'in said circumstance.

I wouldn't want to be sexually attracted to pillows, 'just to prove a point.

Also probably time consuming, irritating, to train responses in oneself.

On the question of choice though,

People acquire and de-acquire tastes frequently in life.

I don't think science is 'conclusive on the subject,

But I think twins raised different, would have different outcomes,

'Even if they have predispositions genetically.

https://kinseyinstitute.org/news-events/news/2019-07-26-twins-sexual-orientation.php#:~:text=If%20they%20have%20the%20exact,while%20the%20other%20is%20gay.

Ohh, I've heard about 2b2t,

Even logged into it once, a few years ago,

long enough to get away from the start,

Fished up a nametag and named a zombie villager, alas someone killed him.

Logging in took too long for me to keep up with the server though.

Is there a reason a person 'couldn't be sexually attracted to a pillow?

One see's those anime body pillows in media sometimes, usually as a joke,

'But. . . .

There's also that one Pavlov argument,

A person trains a reaction in response to a stimuli/situation.

. . .

Though that might be what some people tried with shock therapy,

And I don't know 'anyone who thinks 'that's a good treatment, (Excluding modern ECT, but that's not really the same thing)

. .

Besides, some people 'like pain.

. . .

Also problem of confusion, depression, fear,

And not being necessary anyway, from many people's point of view.

Hard to change someone, who doesn't 'want to change maybe.

Maybe ought not change them.

Still,

I'd argue being sexually attracted to pillows could be a thing.

Why do my family, and myself,

Act ourselves, encourage each other,

To help our family member, my third brother,

Who has gone wayward, and far more wayward still from drug abuse?

Why, though it digs our wallets, though it harms our emotions, our property, our peace of minds?

Because we love him,

And view it worth trying, that he might be saved.

Jesus himself could have turned from his path,

My family could turn from ours.

. . .

As to why Jesus cried out,

 “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”,

There are many interpretations.

Legos.

Stupid artificial scarcity,

When I bet they could easy enough cheap produce whatever people might ask for,

But maybe not, Legos are quality.

Well another reason to buy a 3D printer, I suppose,

If one wanted 'not quality.

. . .

Darn it Dad, why'd you always throw out our toys against our wishes?

Be cheaper if you hadn't needed to keep buying new ones,

But nooo,

I leave a Pokémon card out as a child, and you throw it in the trash.

Other toys,

I've no idea 'why you threw them out.

Seems so 'random in hindsight,

Toys not left out but in nice boxes.

Probably would have whacked me if I tried throwing your stuff out.

. .

Still love you though Dad.

'Does sound very selfless,

Very considering of others.

But I often question how far 'ought a person sacrifice.

Think it right people be 'little bit selfish.

. . .

Or maybe 'lot selfish,

Or 'complete selfish,

My view on question varies.

'Always relevant.

Why America not consider Taiwan country?

Fear, cowardly of China on the question.

If Taiwan stronger,

As America stronger after winning Revolution,

America not fear China so much.

New countries appear all the time,

Revolutions, all the time.

Relevant because part of when a countries officials and laws recognize country,

Part of why is fear.

I not say fear or cowardly is bad.

I afraid of grizzley bear, should I meet one in forest.

'Natural America afraid of war,

Or afraid of economic backlash,

People can get hurt by such.

. . . . .

'Still though,

Whether Taiwan be own country or not, 'Subjective.

(Shrug)

Most humans liars,

Trump 'more so than most.

Many presidents liars,

Just way of 'leaders, politics, nations,

Though source more about honesty of individuals,

World is war, deception, rivalry,

. . Also peace, truth, cooperation, but many times people less than truthful with allies and rivals,

Maneuver to advantage.

. . .

Under 'oath,

A point,

But as I said, 'technical truth.

'Real truth, in spirit of what is meant as truth,

'Better maybe.

Something Americans should encourage their leaders speak to them,

Is my view.

As when I gave examples of America Revolution,

'Official, subjective.

He had opportunity to give back the boxes of secret documents.

2nd Impeachment he got off.

'Maybe this law action regarding boxes, he also get off,

Maybe some plea deal,

Admits faults,

Slap on wrist.

But 'should be some accountability,

Some 'look, consideration, of his actions, is my view.

Something to their, not your or worlds advantage, I imagine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_road_to_hell_is_paved_with_good_intentions#:~:text="The%20road%20to%20hell%20is,is%20a%20proverb%20or%20aphorism.

Though even if I were Christian again,

I would not believe in Hollywood Devil,

To me,

Looks misinterpretation of Christianity.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/151-the-devil?page=3 #78

Trumps case looks worse to me,

Boxes of secret documents not supposed to be taken,

Not supposed to lie and refuse to return them.

To me 'looks like Trump 'was trying to cheat election system in last election.

. . .

Superiors and just humans,

Often get exceptions in life.

. .

Reason I say 'generally follow the law exact.

. .

Sometimes it is good to practice personal judgement,

Not be robot, following 'word of law.

'Spirit of law, can be good too.

No worries,

'Many people, myself included would act selfish in many situations.

I just encourage you and me not make 'stupid selfish choices,

Like smuggle phones to prisoners in jail,

Not worth the risk.

. . .

Maybe I also tiny bit happy I not in selfish situation opportunity,

Fair part of me 'wants to do good by others,

Even if part wants bad/selfish choice.

'Many bad/selfish choices I'd not make though,

Would feel bad about,

But still, still others, I could see myself making selfish choice, despite feeling bad about.

. .

Maybe better still if I 'try, 'practice virtue,

But eh, maybe.

Court/Law is full of 'technical truths.

Source?

(Just a note, when I ask for source, it is not to say you have no proof,

It is me asking for proof, that I can see same as you)

. . .

Regardless,

One could 'claim using 'your logic.

"Putin conveniently finds evidence for fraud for his political opponents " - Vegasgiants #15

I imagine Putin uses evidence and justice system 'while people in office,

Does this mean 'we should not pursue law while people in office?

No,

No, I say.

Other countries corruption, is not ours.

It was brought to light,

Brought to government, discussion,

Voted on.

This is good of Clinton's circumstance.

'I don't think it was egregious or technical enough to be reason for removing Clinton from office,

But it is good our country follows law (Generally speaking)

Trump case should also be brought to light,

"presidential sweetheart deal", is not a phrase I am familiar with.

. .

But I understand what you mean by it now.

Regardless, your 'own source,

In the "Response to report"

Mentions 'numerous examples, of criticisms to 'so 'called lies.

Example,

'Technically not lying, 'maybe.

I have made posts in past on this website, 'also defending Trump,

On 'technical arguments,

Or against 'assumptions.

Law, Court, and Lawyers, sneaks that way,

But way it is.

Though I am not certain,

I think Christians vary on view of suicide.

. .

Lot of former prisoners seem afraid of prison,

One could view putting fear of breaking the law,

as rehabilitation?

What do you mean by presidential sweetheart deal?

Of you mentioning 11 felonies again,

Additionally matter was considered by government,

Matter of Trump,

Ought 'also be considered by the law.

Source?

Keep up the good luck then,

Even better with introspection, determination, your own choices to nurture yourself.

'Official, subjective.

What Taiwanese 'Official 'Documents say?

What 'laws followed in Taiwan, Chinese, or Taiwanese?

Republicans tried to remove Bill Clinton from presidency, for staining a dress.

'Long been option,

'But people still have to vote on it.

'Needs be 'real evidence,

'Real day in court.

Is 'not kangaroo court.

. . .

We 'had Joseph McCarthy in past,

Had people blacklisted in Hollywood,

'Always been option,

Not 'good option,

'Depends on personal integrity,

'Truth.

But this not mean we 'Ignore people who break law.

Not mean we 'encourage false evidence either.

We try for truth,

Nixon break laws,

Nixon get removed.

No make claim, well what if Watergate was fake.

We just try best to be honest,

Try best to hold all accountable to law. (Generally speaking)

When American Revolution happened,

Britain maybe not see America as it's own country,

Lafayette saw a country in America, 1777,

Though France not recognize America until 1778.

America not win Revolution until  1781 Yorktown.

Britain not recognize America until 1783.

https://history.state.gov/countries/france#:~:text=France%20recognized%20the%20United%20States,signed%20two%20treaties%20in%20Paris.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/american-revolution-faqs#:~:text=The%20conflict%20lasted%20a%20total,through%20the%20fall%20of%201783.

https://uk.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/#:~:text=History%20of%20the%20Special%20Relationship&text=The%20United%20States%20declared%20its,established%20diplomatic%20relations%20in%201785.

Taiwan makes it's own laws,

Has own president, own military.

China 'dares not invade yet,

Instead 'sneaks, 'bullies.

Country is vague subjective word,

Different people, different thresholds,

Different laws, different thresholds.

Nature and nurture is my view.

Some people like the other sex,

Some people like the same sex.

Some people have sex with the other sex, and enjoy it,

Some people have sex with the same sex, and enjoy it.

. . .

Again,

Taiwan has it's own president,

China does not control it yet,

Though they are 'still attempting such.

If due to evidence, someone is believed to be guilty, justice system ought hold them accountable,

'Generally speaking.

. .

To avoid corruption,

To avoid people ignoring safety laws/guidelines,

To avoid individuals assuming 'too much power, deciding 'against the people's wishes.

I'm not arguing for false charges, or false imprisonment.

'Some might,

I won't.

We won't use a blood spattered confession, I expect,

Simply because evidence 'can be fraud,

Does not mean we should treat 'all evidence as fraud.

Trump will have a fair day in court, I expect,

Being rich, being high political person, will have good legal representation.

Perhaps this is what Vice Presidents are for.

And I 'do mean perhaps,

I am uncertain on law and precedent for this kind of circumstance.

To me,

It doesn't matter if it looks bad,

It doesn't need be "Murder, rape, assault, kidnapping",

Though I suppose one 'does wonder 'where the line ought be drawn.

. .

If it involves prison time though,

To 'me, sounds that it falls over or within (However that line idea works).