Lemming

No, though on another hand I don't time myself. So maybe.

I think you have a point, but I'm not sure what the real life 'luck examples would be.

People also might like being able to use items, when 'they have them, or 'might have them someday.

In the military some people thought that certain higher ups would fudge their evaluations of people, ingroup loyalty to those one worked with.

'Ideally one would not do that, and I assume without evidence that 'most people don't fudge their evaluations.

Course a 'lot of the evaluation stuff was garbage, where they made you write up a report of all your 'accomplishments, X many hours doing this or that, this or that 'Voluntold activity.

It was garbage because 'most everyone would do such, and even those that 'don't do more, they would get upset at your for not trying to hype up average actions.

I suppose AI could monitor, evaluate, and recommend. Ideally only being designed with bias that we approved of, thought objective and observing of ability.

. . .

I knew a coworker who I think worked as hard as me, but I'd make sure to do my work where more visible, other coworkers thought the other guy was lazy,

Didn't think so myself.

There's some phrase people often used that I forget, something ah, "Perception is reality" that's it.

Never liked that phrase, people ought to increase their perception and understanding of reality, than to excuse their lazy eyesight or thinking.

But a useful phrase in understanding outcomes with other people, and what one needs do to improve one's outcomes.

. . .

The environment one is born to is luck I suppose,

But I doubt you want to go the Plato Republic route.

. . .

I think people like supporting their tribe,

The ability to support one's tribe and tribes interest close to home, and 'keep one's territory is valued.

So one 'accepts red shells existence to an extent.

Then again you say,

So assumably there would be no situations where we can be fooled by pretenders.

But then again you say,

So there is 'still the problem of skepticism and identifying what type of being one is dealing with.

Some people still have faith in various Xs, even in unknowable ends, hard or even contrary times.

The X is of such value, such as family,

The rewards are tempting, whether selfish or selfless rewards,

Sometimes what else 'is there but to hold on and keep going.

@Best.Korea is not active

Vader has a fair number of debates on this site, I don't think he is a debate run away.

At this time I do not think your debate or forum thread should be removed,

If I read them more deeply it is 'possible I would change my mind,

As said earlier, comes close to the line.

If reported and mods saw something questionable, a temporary locking of the thread is entirely reasonable, as the matter is further investigated.

DART 'does have guidelines and rules of conduct.

If I were him I would simply not read them, as I would not view them as from 'you.

I think laws 'can be questioned on this site,

I think much of the problem is the reputation you have built yourself on this site, and 'how you question.

@#53

I feared they might be from AI.

I think some people, myself included, are more on this site to engage with 'people.

Though sources such as articles, videos, quotes 'can be interesting.

A spamming of 500 generated AI arguments, doesn't sound much effort or 'thought.

It's a grabbing of handful of books one has not read, and tossing them at another person.

I don't think it's structured, I don't think it's an authentic desire to connect to another person, to truly 'look at them and their ideas and exchange views.

Though arguably it 'could be.

Some people will have AI translate another's arguments, will write their own, will have AI edit their arguments, will then personally edit the AI's edit.

Some people preform better in some mediums than others, some prefer writing, time, and some distance, as opposed to voice or video chats.

And I suppose one can argue a copying and pasting of AI arguments to be efforts,

But it is not the type of effort/action that some of us prefer.

I don't think you should be banned for your child consent thread or debate,

But then starting at #15 you posted a number of times, insulting another and 'asking to be banned.

I'd support a ban for a number of 'those posts.

I didn't read your arguments about consent,

As I have a hard time telling when you are serious about a subject or not.

I don't think the Mods are wrong for temporarily locking the thread and deliberating whether you should be banned,

As Savant says, comes close to the line.

Though I would oppose a permanent locking, or if you were banned for 'that thread or your debate.

World's a big place, though even in 'regions, to find an entire 'century without conflict, I might have some difficulty.

@n8nrgim ##3

I'd rather people big into Socialism, apply it to themselves if they admire it so.

I don't 'think Groups/Cities/States are disallowed from setting up organizations that they pay taxes to, and then are by that organization are provided Health Care or Food.

I 'do think it would be more advantageous for communities to be more 'communities, interact, plan, and act together.

Have shelters, buy up 30 years of food for the group and eat or donate it over time as they replace the food.

I suspect villages are better for the human condition than cities.

Dunbar's number is a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships.

@IlDiavolo #17

My view is America stopped using gold because of nefarious government stealing it from it's citizens in overreach.

Never really thought much about why other countries might not use gold.

I think gun control in America, is likely only to occur in incremental national law, and incremental sections of country.

America is big on freedom, and many of us like our guns, so I imagine it might go back and forth a while.

Though maybe some environments, such as more urbanization, will result in more of the population leaning against guns over time.

Some places, such as Japan, being more class based and I assume less freedom than America, might have made it easier for various governments to control the weapons.

I am also reminded of something Ursula K. Le Guin wrote of America.

I would imagine, but not know, that the intent of some swastika spray painting, is to paint X people as Nazis.

Bit ironic, given that the Nazis forced a number of Jews to wear yellow stars of David, to identify them as Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge

Not that I think X people are or are not similar to Nazis.

Though I'd view it as a 'bad irony for the spray painters, why emulate Nazi dehumanization of others, or the breaking of windows of those one disagrees with?

Because they have a large number of votes on debates.

I think some terms such as awareness or intelligence, have sort of dual meanings, that complicate their use at times.

I think we strive to challenge our intellectual superiority, because AI is a potential power, whether economical or military.

Can't let other people have that power and not ourselves, says companies and governments.

If we designed an AI to go through the motions of hunting, tracking, killing, cooking, and even eating by turning it into energy somehow.

I think there still wouldn't be a 'person,

A trap in the sea, mechanically is laying in wait hunting crabs,

A campfire consumes wood for energy.

Though in a 'sense an AI could hunt or feel,

In another sense, I don't think it would,

Current AI anyhow.

The crab trap catches 'anything, even boots,Even were it designed to spit out the boots,

To me it is not much more than square goes in the square hole, triangle goes in the triangle hole.

There still needs be something more, though I'm still not sure 'specifically what/where/amount/how.

@#38

I don't know.

@#1

I've never been able to satisfy myself as to what Consciousness or Qualia is.

Some people argue 'everything feels, even a stone, but in a way removed.

Some argue it's a series of tiered moments when something transforms into something else, that moment when the water tension in an overflowing cup of water flows over.

Some think it has something to do with chemicals, I don't know, there are multiple paths to ends at times.

We all know what Descartes theorized about animals.

A stone looks rather unfeeling to me,A severed hand I'd imagine unfeeling, barring Osmosis Jones.

Though a hand is 'living, even disembodied.Helen Keller interested me, in relation to the Floating Man of Ibn Sina, but in the end there 'was something fed into her, something experienced, 'without such, I imagine the person fades until lost or lessened. As humans raised feral too long, people with brain disease, or just the experience of death.

AI and animal experimentation bothers me because I 'can't tell when it begins, If enslaving humans is wrong, why would we try to 'create mutilated lesser intelligences? . . Or Mutilated greater intelligences, of course mutilated assumes our own baseline.

. . .

My take is machines are even less than animals mimicking.

A robot crocodiles tears mean even less emotionally than a regular crocodiles tears.

An AI Chatbot with 'anxiety, might do better with it's 'anxiety by using a breathing exercise, because it is designed to 'mimic humans,

It's like AI 'art, it's just taking online examples and copying them,Online information says humans feel better with breathing exercises.

If a person wants red and yellow art, the AI pulls up examples and mashes it together,If a person wants a human like AI to talk to, the AI pulls up examples of humans online and mashes it together.

I think there is a lot of game theory in the psychology of how organisms act and decide,

. . . Course on a different hand, I don't 'really understand AI science, it's basically brain surgery or rocket science to me.

And a robot crocodile could probably be programmed more advanced, so that it's tears would actually 'mean the Robot is going to 'act in some certain way, though I still don't think it 'feels.

You already made this thread, less than a week ago.

An achievement, a milestone.

I agree with Swagnarok, that it's easy to fall into a low effort routine,

But it's not so bad, so long as one has a job and keeps acquiring money and items of value to fall back on in later years.

At least silence and signs don't interrupt a speaker, I suppose.

Bit like video captions I suppose, easy to tune in or tune out to signs, I'd 'think, but maybe visual clash can be more disruptive than I assume.

How so?

Why aren't there more transcripts of stuff on the TV?

And 'so much information behind paywalls, no wonder misinformation abounds.

Just because X is fought in war, doesn't make said war a genocide against X.

Well, I wouldn't call it a 'purely 'peaceful democratic uprising.

Maybe the guy shouldn't have fled the country.

Still, 'sounds a  fair point in #134 in what you say constitutional requirement for impeachment were.

What made this illegal?

. . .

Many of the separatist attempters happened to be ethnically Russian,

Ukraine fighting them does not make it ethnic cleansing.

Sounds to me like self later on when Russia invaded, all with Russia claiming Nazis, Nazis everywhere.

The war in Donbas?

I get the sense, that you're being contrary just to be contrary,

Mentioning Iran or North Korea's 'strength compared to America, to me, comes off a bit absurd.

I think I'll pass on conversation with you for now.

@#117

I thought we were specifically talking about thieves?

More broadly, Ukraine is practicing self defense, I'd say.

America and Europe has past agreements with Ukraine.

And an interest against such aggressions.

I do not consider Russia 10 times stronger than America.

. . .

I think Russia is doing worse in Ukraine than America.

I think Russia is worried about Ukraine war costs.

As Vietnam shows, territory on a map, isn't everything in war.

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If you think Hamas are better people than America, well, I'll pass on discussing it.

I do not think Trump will be able to invade Canada or Greenland, he is not Dictator.

@Greyparrot #113

For Japan, possibly.

Moreso when one considers their knowledge of the situation at the time.

I do not blame Britain for resisting Hitler,

I do not blame Japan for resisting the Allies, to gain better peace terms.

@#102

Not if not attacking them, leads to them being everywhere.

It is also a common understanding between law abiding individuals in a community, to aid each other against thieves.

One must perform necessary upkeep to alliances.

Thus attacking thieves is often a must.

(Though not 'always)

@Best.Korea #99

I think honor among thieves can be shaky, and thus working with thieves is better avoided.

@WyIted #100

For 'me, a 'large part is Realpolitik, yes.

I dislike drafting American lives or wallets into moral crusades.

Some Realpolitik world situations are 'similar to moral crusades, but are not completely so.

Wanting to hold other nations to 'degrees of honor and morality, I think has value in stability and reducing possible damage to America.

I view Total War or a lack of the Geneva Convention being commonly practiced by other countries for instance,

As bad for America, because it could be used against our troops.

. . .

I don't care for 'all European laws or practices,

But it is a matter of taking and encouraging what values one 'can in others.

American actions in the past and current is often not 'ideal,

We have had the draft before, have invaded other countries, propped up Dictators before, have had less than ideal civic situations during wartime.

But I think we try, and should 'continue trying to improve.

Both for practical and moral reasons.

@WyIted #94

Yes it would,

However I think Europe is 'strengthened to a degree by being able to focus their budgets on nonmilitary matters.

While America is weakened some if it shoulders entire burden,

Burden is still 'necessary in my eyes.

American and European values have a number of similarities,

It is not bad to have them as allies, even if they increase their military influence.

@Greyparrot #95

'Possible a ceasefire at current moment is to Ukraine's advantage, but I am doubtful.

@#89

The Czech children 'not dying in 'war 'was the 'problem.

As they simply died in so called 'peace after,

The 'betrayal of Czechoslovakia Munich Agreement, the lack of mettle and lack understanding of the need of sacrifice by the betrayers 'was the problem. 

The betrayers were 'fine to sacrifice the Czechs, but this did not save them from Hitler's war.

. . .

Which Japanese deaths in particular?

If their deaths prevented Russia from occupying all of Japan,

Prevented a worse situation for Japan after the war,

Prevented their Emperor from being tried,

No. They were not 'meaningless.

I think many of their deaths and lives in various situations could have been better used,

'Some of the situations, the Japanese might have been better off surrendering, other situations, better off fighting.

The fallen are not forgotten,

The pride one feels in fellow countrymen of iron, is not lessened by their dying.

It can inspire, whether those who knew them yesterday, or those who know of them 100 years hence.

@#87

Haiti has not the strength,

But it 'is in their interest to speak and act as their strength allows, for their benefit.

Peace is fine, but I do not have confidence in 'Trump or 'Russia's 'peace.

I think America should have tried to make more do with and strengthening of UN Peace Forces,

I think the 'world should have united more and intervened more in certain situations such as the Rwandan genocide.

I think UN Peace Forces and units sent by nations in various police peace keeping actions should all be volunteers.

I think some American police wars have been stupid, greed, overextensions of the high ranking members of American government.

I 'do think Europe could do more itself.

@#81

We are the most powerful 'today,

Not in all tomorrows.

The maps of nations will inevitably change,

All we can do is hold on as best we can,

And 'avoiding the world by plunging our head into the sand, is in my view 'not the best we can.

. . .

Throughout history, peaceful countries are attacked.

Additionally, given how often America changes policy, one cannot 'assume isolationism forever,

Thus American involvement in the world,

Thus likelihood on conflict someday,

Thus we must 'continue to stay in the game, and shape it that we are not disadvantaged in inevitable wars to come.

@#74

Would you then have told the Czechs to surrender to Hitler?

For their own good of 'course?

Is it not our business?

Unless America withdraws all power to the USA,

We 'cannot avoid being involved.

It is the nature of powers, to influence throughout the world,

To ignore the world and be ally to none, is to have no allies ourselves.

To be alone, tends to be a weakness.

While I 'like nukes,

I doubt they are the end all be all of war.

Technology will continue to improve.

Nor can we ignore the 'threat of nukes in the hands of dangerous nations and individuals,

We 'cannot step away from the world and ignore nations,

Thus the nations of the world are our business, it is the same for all nations.

Nor can we ignore the possibility of someday superpowers emerging, that threaten to engulf the entirety of the Earth under one nation,

If such 'is someday, it must be a nation of 'our values, not others.

@#70

I view it as for their sake as well,

I don't think America has the power to stop the war, not without it being a gamble of our boots on the ground, not sure I'd take that gamble.

Better war, than some forms of peace.

@#68

I doubt the Czechs appreciated feeling as though they lost, with Europe's 'Peace 'Deal with Hitler.

I think appeasement is a bad strategy, both because I do not think Russia actions would change, and I think it will encourage other aggressive nations.

In some situations, I think “There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.”
― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

Americans aren't dying so 'much.,

And the one's that are, are volunteers,

I support Americans freely fighting for Ukraine, if that is what said Americans want.

Better that Ukrainians continue to fight, both for their sake and nations who are not Russia.

I think appeasement is a bad strategy, both because I do not think Russia actions would change, and I think it will encourage other aggressive nations.

I am not so sure peace can be made today.

Ukraine surrender?

Ukraine and Russia ceasefire, that Russia soon breaks after?

I do not view Trump as a trustworthy person, nor would Ukrainians I'd think.

While I 'understand quid pro quo, and the 'existence of dirty politics, (Don't 'support it so much)

Trump trying to blackmail Ukraine to stand against Trump's political opponents in the past, is hardly endearing.

@#61

Well, I still don't like the Left,

And many of my views are more about 'how various processes are done, than a lack of selfishness for America.

As well as what needs to be done to achieve security for America.

I like holding to one's word, and politeness.

America and other nations made promises to Ukraine,

I'd prefer it if America saw more the value in keeping one's agreements and word.

@Economic Situation

I would 'think worse, but do not know.

Nazi Germany boomed for a while, as war economies 'do for a time maybe, but can be temporary, and at later cost.

War can turn away business from foreign countries, though 'maybe Russia can rely on others as economic allies, I'm unsure.

@Putin Popularity

I 'think Putin is still fairly popular, from various sources I glance at.

But then Assassination and Jailing of opponents and critics 'seems bit common in Russia.

But I think a danger of such regimes can be a narrow focus of power onto an individual.

I think might makes right regimes, engender coups.

He is 72 years old.

Better for America to hold Russia back, and try to break it apart, than let it gain momentum. I'd think.

@WyIted #36

You might be right, but I'm doubtful Trump would intentionally enter into war with Russia.

I think Trump figures he could cut peace between Russia and Ukraine, at Ukraine's expense, to the benefit of Russia and USA.

@#37

The Risk video 'was funny.

If a bit gallows humor.

@sadolite #45

I would think Soviet Union involvement in Afghanistan, played 'some roll in the fall of the Soviet Union?

War weariness and frustration can lead to breakups in a country or regime changes.

I would think it is in America's interest for Russia to be made weaker, rather than let them absorb Ukraine and become stronger?

@#33

Maybe Vance is a boor?

More charitable, maybe he's negatively predisposed to America investment into Ukraine Russia War.

'Could be as is said in #34, he wanted to use the moment to attack previous Left Administration handling of the situation,

If such was his intent, I don't think he did it well.

@IlDiavolo #22 #25

The worry some people have is failed appeasement of Russia in the past.

As well as appeasement encouraging aggression by other countries.

I 'can appreciate Trump trying to play all sides.

I think we 'should be careful about how we support Ukraine, that we do not tax our own strength too much.

Europe 'is far away, but I also think the modern age has shrunk distances.

. . .

I think Europe could drive Russia back and force a peace easily enough,

I 'think countries wouldn't use nukes except as last threat to force a peace,

But I would fear a widening of the war, WW3 wouldn't 'necessarily mean nukes, be bad nonetheless.

@Greyparrot #23 #24

Vance saying again and 'again how Zelensky should be 'thinking Trump,

Zelensky refusing to do that is not telling Trump to fuck off. In my view.

I don't view Trump as America.

The way I took that was as a petty overreaction by Trump,

I think Zelensky is right, America likely 'will feel the effects of The Ukraine Russia War,

Both in sensation and emotion.