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Does everyone agree that is Water is town, White and Drafter are very likely scum buddies? And does everyone agree that no matter Water's affiliation, White is very highly likely scum? If so, lynch white and go from there. Or lynch me. But do not risk a mislynch of Water when you know you have to mislynch me some point soon.
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@MisterChris
Water is not exactly known for the best spur-of-the-moment decisions... that said you make a valid point. My best guess is that he chose one of the fake character claims and came up with a role to go with it and took the gamble. Either that or he really is a watcher, and in that case he's plain negligent. I want to hear from Pie, but it would take a lot to sway my vote off of WP when he is a confirmed liar.BTW, I acknowledge only coming out with the info the next DP reflects poorly on me. Feel free to lynch me, although realize it will be a mislynch. I knew from the beginning I'd probably be mislynched for this, but I thought coming out and being a mislynch would still yield enough useful info to where it would be worth it for town... As I said here:I promise if we lynch WP he will flip as being anything but a tracker. If he doesn’t, you can lynch me. Similarly, you can lynch me for counter-claiming so late. When I flip town, you’ll know to lynch WP.
based on this, if Pie confirms Water, my gut says there's a town Tracker and Watcher and that scum is powered or three (which seems questionable as far as balance with a TP). I willing to revisit after White's lynch.
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TOWN
Lunatic
oromagi
Me
LIKELY TOWN
iLikePie5
Bullish
SCUM
whiteflame
LIKELY SCUM
drafterman
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that1user
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@drafterman
Supa's role PM only says then entire cult dies if he tries to recruit mafia. it says nothing about what happens to a successful recruit if he dies. If Speed vigged Supa, does that mean there is another cult floating around?
We do not know that supa recruited. He could have self-protected or protected another player. I rarely risk recruiting when i have that role because you risk dying. I am not willing to assume that supa recruited and think it makes most sense to focus on the scum, which is def White, probably you, and maybe MisterChris (alternatives being That1 or Bullish)
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@Lunatic
This is perfect. Water just claimed results on supa. If we are wrong about water, this gives us scum in pie. He still get lynched today, but even if we are wrong and you are right, lynching water is a win win.
Water's results are that Supa was VISITED by pie and Speed, which suggests Speed vigged Supa. Watchers cannot tell who someone visits so we cannot know from Water's results, assuming their efficacy whether supa visited scum, but I doubt it since it seems he died from the Vig. We need to hear from Pie. Pie was in my town pile.
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Someone should ask Danielle if the vig would resolve before the NK, since it seems Speed Vigged Supa, not that Supa recruited scum.
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@MisterChris
Don't worry, WF is next on my scum list because of your results.But WP is the most confirmed scum we have. And you're totally right I had a while to CC, but as I said before I was catching up. This can be proven by simply looking at the timeline of me reading and giving my thoughts in the last few pages of the DP... I was steadily working my way up to about page 10 before the DP ended.
I buy this because i was half paying attention at the end of the game on a conference call. We are humans, that said, you did have time, Water claimed first, no one has explained why Water would risk the fake claim as scum in a game where we know they had the option of fake character + role claims. No one has explained why the person who claims second THE NEXT DP is immediately not the target, when last DP it was conceded tracker is a common scum role. water has results, I want to hear from Pie whom I currently have a townread on.
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@WaterPhoenix
damn it before i get lyncehd let me get out my results:i watched supa np1 and he was visited by pie and speed. speed prob used vig on him but was then killed by maf. idk what pie was doing there
We need to hear from Pie
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@drafterman
No way, since clearly scum is powered, I have an anti-town role, scum knows who tracker and caroler are. White is scum and should be the lynch. Because if we are wrong about water which we likely are, who know what tomfoolery happens in the night changing town's odds.
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@Lunatic
He was on the same time as water wasn't he? Why wouldn't he have made water fix the mistake last day phase?
Exactly, misterchris was on for awhile and never cc'd Water
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@Lunatic
misterchris had a long time to cc the claim and we all acknowledge that tracker can be a scum role. I CANNOT BELIEVE that I am pretty much confirmed town, got a result FROM YOU that confirms my analysis and read on White and am still being ignored by town. Will have to discuss in postmortam wtf I should do differently to convince town in the future.
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@drafterman
YOU ARES SCUM FOR SURE, You literally said that Elf could be watcher. You wanted clarity on this last DP to identify the threat to scum. It is common for tracker/watchers to fake claim the alternative to throw off scum.
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Water is not on my carol list. It is just as possible that Scum has a tracker or watcher role and saw Luna visit me. You all should play this out. Assuming White, and likely drafter are scum, what happens if you ignore my findings and go with the water lynch. You are then down a townie and still have my hated role in the game. We know my hated role is legit since, as it turns out there was a TP and it wasn't me.
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@drafterman
That is complete insanity. Water claimed first. Misterchris said nothing until this DP. You should wait for water to come on and explain first. You are so scummy.
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We have to kill me soon, whenever we do it, no matter what White must go. Luna has been very town behaviorally. Bullish I am unsure of, but like Luna said there can be more than one scum among my list
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@Lunatic
see my post. we should lynch whiteflame, though wait for more info first.
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I was visited last night by the caroler. I was given three player names, at least one of which is scum. White was one of the names
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@Bullish
dud wtf are you doing. This is scummy AF
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@That1User
OMG I have been beat up on so much, I am almost suspicious of someone agreeing with me. I am going to go with it though VTL Whiteflame
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@That1User
Why did you flip from WF to Drafter when WF is gaining heat with Bullish's vote?
Because everyone online at that time, except bullish (whose vote I admittedly did not notice) was implying I am crazy and tunneling. I have continued to insist on WF's scumminess though and think he should be the lynch. I also think drafter is scummy though.
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@drafterman
Oh it's speed. He's in my FOS/scum pile too, so not surprising.
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@drafterman
I did not see that post. who said that
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@Bullish
He can both be meme-ing and scum-satisfied with a scum beneficial outcome
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@drafterman
SPLIT ALL THE VOTES SPLIT ALL THE VOTES SPLIT ALL THE VOTES
a very scum oriented goal.
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I am okay with the drafter lynch, but think we need to not lose sight of White.
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@Lunatic
Your basing this off of being right one time? Holy crap.
Don't be an asshole. I have explained my reasoning and my analysis. I am not basing my read and argument on having been right about you.
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@Lunatic
Willing to drop White for now. But I feel more certain than ever that he's scum. I will reiterate that the basis is not passivity. I have however fully outlined all of the multiple behavioral things he has done that are scummy and will not rehash them.
I am willing to focus on drafter. He is seeming more and more scummy.
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to the extent we care about Meta: The only time I have ever been this outspoken and persistent in a scum read is when TUF (Luna) was scum in lover's mafia. Maybe when White likely flips scum people will give more credence to my reads going forward.
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@Bullish
I don't read that as scum, I've played with drafter for long enough to know he's a vintage memer.
Fair, will take that into consideration.
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@Speedrace
It's a scum slip. It is a scum oriented thought pattern, that scum did not take the time to reflect on before posting. There is no town utility to the statement, only scum concern and benefit.
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@oromagi
elves on the hearth is not the same. That sounds both creepy and adorable though. Elf on the Shelf is a coprighted and trademarked character. He spies on little kids and reports back to santa if the kids are bad or good. Also, a creepy tradition if you ask me, but anything to manipulate small children before X-mas I suppose. Parents move the elf everynight into random places in the house (not necessarily shelves) in order to convince the children the elf left and came back.
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@Lunatic
I mean I pretty much said the same thing as speed did in regards to the whiteflame read, maybe just a little nicer. I don't think he is mis-representing you, I think the read on whiteflame objectively demonstrates you aren't used to his playstyle. I am not saying he is town, but if you were to convince me he was scum it would need to be with different reasons than the ones offered.
This is what is frustrating me. NO ONE is use to his play-style. He is new, evolving, and has only played a few games on this site, per what everyone has said. I pointed out behaviors that scum employs in games, which he has objectively engaged in. You can say that is not enough for you to lynch him, but to claim it is because I don't understand his meta is nonsense. No one knows his meta. He's literally never played as scum on this site. It seems as an outsider who hasn't played with him before I can just as easily have a more objective perspective than all of you. Also, I am playing inconsistent with my meta as town or scum. Thereby exhibiting the limits of meta analysis. it's literally a game of manipulation.
Add ti Water's scummy behavior, that he wouldn't vote to lynch water but had a scum read on him. And that he is throwing random, baseless shade on the elf on the shelf tracker claim
Anyway, what are your thoughts on Drafter?
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@oromagi
1 book character2 movie characters1 movie title1 ornament type
Not sure where you put me in this calculation, but my character falls into none and all of these categories. Also, elf on the shelf is not an ornament, it is a doll that comes with a story book that is used to make sure kids behave nicely before xmas. i believe their is a movie too, but mostly it is a book character with an accompanying doll.
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@Bullish
So apparently both whiteflame and supa scum read Water, but would rather waste today's lynch on a VTNL.
That is probably because whiteflame IS SCUM and did not want to be on the mislynch of water.
Supa on the other hand is a very cautious player generally, he like me, is often down for a vtnl. could be scum motivation, but right now he reads town to me
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There was probably at least 1 scum on Water's wagon.
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@Lunatic
Bullish is town because he is hunting scum and he is doing so in a manner that is consistent with how he hunts scum normally. That said, water being more likely town than not, puts Bullish back in my FOS pile, worth keeping an eye on and focus. But not enough info to lynch.
The only real theme analysis I'd put into this is "Does this role justification make sense with this character" On a basis of my own characters role and justification making sense. It won't be enough to town clear someone completely who has behaved scummily, as scum really can be clever sometimes, but it will be something to consider while discussing them. Behavior will still ultimately be the ruling factor I'd hope.
That is worth considering, but again we don't know what combo of fake character/role claims they got. in forum there is just plenty of time to come up with justifications.
You should watch the movie sometime. Jack Skellington is definitely not bad. The premise of the movie is that they discover other holidays than Halloween exist, and Jack is especially excited about christmas, and tries to introduce it to halloweentown.
Okay well that sounds super adorable, and makes your role seem perfectly town sided indeed. Since we are supposed to be saving Christmas after all.
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@oromagi
I can be seen as a character that is related to tv, movie, or other, so it makes sense to me.
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Anyways, Elf on the Shelf as tracker is a stretch. It's more likely that the Elf would be a watcher but watcher could go with Santa so maybe it was something Danielle had to shoe-horn in.I would also by the Elf as a Hider.
I find this post scum oriented, trying to make sure they have a clear idea of which potential threat water presents to the scum team.
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@drafterman
He's at 4/7. That's fairly close to being lynched. Either he claims to try and avoid it or he just ends up getting lynched.
So you're willing to lynch him if he doesn't claim when 1) there's no indication he's online to do so right now, and 2) you do not specifically have a scum read on him. sounds like scum trying to bandwagon a quick mislynch at the end of the DP.
I don't like it when people demand other's reads. Develop your own reads.
I have outlined my reads in full detail. You have been floating along without participating much, making random commentary here and there that doesn't have the effect of scum hunting. Your facepalm comment in response to Water's inno statement seemed especially forced and lacking in town utility. So yes, I want your reads, to make you actually commit to something and contribute substantively. Right now you're being pretty suspicious in your play and we need to sort your affiliation and motives.
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It is worth highlighting that Speed is trying to misrepresent and discredit the reads of one of the two players he should feel comfortable working with and trusting the reads from. Everyone agrees I am more likely town than not based on my claim and behavior frankly. Yet Speed's big contribution is dismissing one of the other "known" townies and trying to make people not listen to them.
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@Vader
What are your reads. I agree with vtnling over lynching any of the candidates there are actual wagons on at this stage, but who is in your town pile?
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@That1User
I believe I asked you this yesterday, and I do not recall a response. Please give your full reads before the end of this DP.
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@whiteflame
Please give your full reads before the end of this DP
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@drafterman
Please give your full reads before the end of this DP
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