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@MisterChris
What's an SOP?
Standard Operating Procedure. In the context of mafia SOP roles are roles you should claim right away, usually because not doing so can hurt town. However, there are those people who play who think they are better and above rules and procedures, so they constantly harm town with their arrogance and narcissism. But I digress.
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@Lunatic
Was expecting a follow up to the point you made about me "Diverting" the game when no one was on. Starting to feel like that line of investigation was contrived.
I never said diverting. I said it was an odd digression. It was. There was absolutely no basis to think such a role existed. It was random and worth highlighting for future reference.
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@Lunatic
sucks to come back to mafia and have a role that pretty much means instant death. This makes me certain the roles were randomly assigned, since I am certain danielle would not do that to me.
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@Speedrace
We know it's an Xmas theme b/c Danielle said so in signups, just don't know the specific theme split
Right by oro is suggesting its 2020 x-mas meaning an xmas specific to 2020. I am disagreeing
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@Speedrace
I am going to hold off on character claiming to avoid giving scum too much info on theme analysis since they already have a fake claim.
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@oromagi
I think it is just an xmas theme based on what I know about my character and your apparent character claim
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@Lunatic
This whole OP thing seems like an odd digression.
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@ILikePie5
Please stop cluttering the DP with non-game talk.
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I think my role is an SOP, but I am unsure. Erring on the side of it being one, I am hated. I disagree with my character being hated since they are an x-mas fav. of mine, but alas Danielle must have bad taste.
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@Lunatic
I was not playing live mafia because of work (no longer an issue), and have continued to not play because I damages my vocal cord and have to rest my voice maximum extent to avoid surgery. So, short answer I will be participating normal. I think we should probably vote for speed for full claim, since everyone seems so reluctant to lynch him all the time and therefore gets away with murder as scum.
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Town had three roles that could kill town when utilized so I think it was fairly balanced. Scum killed one of those roles and it just so happens Luna targeted well because Pie kind of put a target on himself with his claim.
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VTL Mikal He seems to be doing his thing where he is caught as scum and is trying to buy himself time, in order to pull off some trickery.
@Luna and masons do not be tricked by him. You should recruit someone else, someone you lean town on but are not sure of and want to sort for POE.
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@Lunatic
I was recruited to the masons
Interesting. Does this mean there is more than one? Do you know whether or not the recruiter is town?
1. Mafia likely already know as I've hitned that I can be confirmed by another player as well. Might as well let town in on the info since mafia have probably inferred it anyway.
I missed where you hinted at this, so I am not sure how outing this now helps town, since you were already clearly town.
2. Our mason recruiter dies upon death,
What does this mean? Don't we all die upon death?
I will say that the person who is the mason recruiter is someone I contrived a read for on my reads list earlier, so as not to let mafia deduce who that person is
This is unfortunate because as the best town read, we cannot rely as much on your reads now.
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@SirAnonymous
Are you saying he should be familiar?
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@Lunatic
If you do not see how scummy it is for Mike to suddenly abandon his scum read on you and attempt to build a random and then just randomly switch to me then there is no hope for you. His reads are so clearly contrived at this point. I literally said you viging Pie as you said you would, was the final straw. Unless someone can give me an explanation for why: 1) the riddle confirmed you and we have confirmed other clues in the riddle, 2) you killed scum, and 3) you literally role claimed and claimed your action and carried it out, and are yet somehow scum, then you're in my town pile. Happy to hear an argument that counters those three points, if someone has one though.
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@Mikal
You are also familiar with how uncertain I am and how I vacillate as town, so your random read is sketchy.
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@Mikal
There is nothing more scummy than misrepresenting people's statements and posts.
1) magic was really willing to vtl pie to test prior to this
I was always discussing it and its utility and immediately backed away from rushing into it once we determined that the "lynch" would end the DP. I then spent the rest of the DP conversation about the topic noting there was no point to lynching Pie if it would not sort affiliation.
2) went from that to being willing to vtnl
Weird to suggest a willingness to vote pie (an effective VTNL) and actually VTNL are somehow inconsistent strategies, especially when you know how much i advocate VTNL DP1 from live mafia.
3) and completely 180ed on her logic prior to this
Please cite the 180. I literally always said we should lynch Pie if would help sort affiliation. You and Luna disagreed on whether it would and I said it would make no sense to go forward with it if we would have to waste two lynches and argue about it for two DPs. You also are aware from live mafia how much I detest carry over bickering on singular topics over multiple DPs, so your attempt to put shade on me right now, completely ignoring your knowledge of my meta is super scummy.
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@Mikal
Luna is def town, you sound ridiculous at this point. The riddle has proven accurate in multiple ways. I cannot tell if you're being your stubborn anti-town townie self, or if you're scum.
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I was sus of speed last DP. I def do not have a town read on him yet.
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How many hints? You never be sure! I'll tell you there's six but technically more.
This reads to me like she'll give us a count or a number and that there will be more than the number says? Maybe in the context of votes? Or number of townies?
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@Greyparrot
Right. Luna said he was compulsive vig and would vig Pie
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@SirAnonymous
Agreed on Oro. I am leaning towards the authenticity of the riddle now too making Luna likely town.
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@oromagi
The anti-town utility of your role seems consistent with the riddle clue. Which if your claim is true seems to give some validity to the riddle being authentic. Good to know.
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@Lunatic
Can I have your top town reads first please?
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@Lunatic
Why do you keep referring to his role as lynchproof? It is allegedly deathproof.
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I'm going back and forth. I do not think scum could have written the riddle because it has other clues in it. Why would scum put other clues in. So that leaves danielle writing the riddle and giving a choice of riddles to the scum team? That seems possible, but again, there are other clues in the riddle, which would mean she would have either posted a riddle with multiple pieces of misinformation or with partial misinformation?
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@SirAnonymous
That makes lots of sense and no sense at the same time. The riddle, wherever it comes from, is totally bizarre. It's not something I would expect a mod to do, especially without announcing that there would be special rules like that before hand. On the other hand, it seems even more ridiculous that a mod would allow scum to put words in the mod's mouth.
I mean it's literally riddle mafia so I fully expected riddles and clues and some tomfoolery
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@Lunatic
not one that ignores that a plethora of roles exist to support your theory that pie is an idiotic and un helpful townie.
I thought you were arguing at one point Pie as scum and lynching him twice. Did I misread that?
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@Lunatic
I don't see how you could actively scum read me based on not trusting the riddle lol.
I do not scum read you for that. I do think you embraced it on the towns behalf too readily. But my main thought is lynching you informs us far more.
But if you agree with him on anything related to not testing pie, then you have lost your marbles.
I agree with him on testing Pie in the sense that if we lynch Pie and he doesn't die, people will still be suspicious, which accomplishes nothing. We then spend the next DP arguing about what it does and doesn't mean. I don't agree with him that you wanting to lynch pie is scummy. My instinct was to lynch him too and I am still not sure I agree that him not dying doesn't confirm his affiliation or even tilt the read. But if the majority of players do not agree on that point then how does it help the team in hunting scum. It is not worth arguing about a thing like that for multiple DPs.
I mean I am town, so I know the riddle is correct. What universe would a townie being town confirmed not willingly embrace a town confirmation? Also I was more put off by it then I was was grateful to it as it denies likely longevity in the game.
My read of your typical play is that you as town would be more inclined to see the "town confirmed" riddle and react something like: "interesting, weird the mod would do that. I am town but that doesn't mean any of your should believe it necessarily."
So you would rather lynch a confirmed townie than someone who actively claimed a role dp1 instead of letting mafia waste a night kill on it to prove whether the hints are to be taken seriously or not. That is ridiculous.
I do not agree you are 100% confirmed town and certainly do not agree scum would kill you. I hate when people make NK predictions like that. We are almost always wrong because 1) we don't know who scum is, 2) we don't know the dyamics between the scum team, and 3) we don't know how their roles or knowledge are influencing their game
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@Speedrace
that's actually a good point. Though it is possible that she gave the scum team a choice between pre=prepared riddles. Given how long danielle has been talking about creating this game, I have to assume she spent a lot of time writing riddles, so I agree the riddle is not likely written by scum.
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I would really hate to say this, but Mikal is making sense. I think it is very bastard to have a misinformation riddle, but at this point my thoughts are we should either lynch Luna or not lynch this DP. Comment #12 bothered me too, when I read it but it was just a gut check. In hindsight I think Luna embraced the riddle too willingly. I feel like Luna is usually more inclined to point out that nothing is certain and no information is guaranteed as town. Also, lynching Luna has the benefit of informing us whether we can rely on the riddles and will provide retrospective reads on a bunch of players. But I am also okay with VTNLing.
If everyone disagrees on whether lynching Pie and him not dying this DP proves anything affiliation-wise, then this shouldn't be on the table anymore.
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@Mikal
It's one thing to have a role that allows you to give misinformation about a dead player and is a whole other thing for the mod to give misinformation about a living player.
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@MisterChris
That's true, I assumed he would have to call his role to use it. But if it's only "used" if "lynched" then we would have to do it two DPs. In which case I don't love it and think it's a giant waste of time. That said, I feel like we were given a piece of information from Pie and we need to to figure out how it helps us sort his affiliation.
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Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Speedrace, SirAnon, Lunatic) -- 5/6 votes
For all the seeming uncertainty concerning lynching Pie, we were mad close to doing it.
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@Mikal
For me the only question is, does testing Pie's role help us sort his affiliation? I am hearing from some people that testing it won't necessarily because he could be lynchproof scum. If he is lynchproof scum, then I assume he would be 1x or something, so maybe we test the claim next DP?
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@MisterChris
oh, yea. that's what I have been doing. This does not seem like an easy way to effectuate this function to me.
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i do not like that this site doesn't automatically link to the post you're replying to.
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@SirAnonymous
You've been hamburglared.
It certainly feels that way.
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@Greyparrot
Are we lynching pie for claim?
Pie already claimed. Do you mean for 'confirmation'?
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@Lunatic
I feel like this worked well with live mafia. It forces everyone to participate and locks scum into a position.
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@Vader
Softclaiming that my role has post-death utility
We must define "soft" differently.
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Since there are likely anti-town roles and I suspect that a riddle theme game will have some trickery and shenanigans, I think everyone should respond by the end of the DP with who they would target in the NP if they had a role.
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@Mikal
It is ridiculous to think Danielle would reveal scum to a player in the game and undermine the legitimacy of the game in that way. And I'll tell you right now if she had done so, and I was scum I would quit the game on principle to make her reset.
Luna is def Town. Again, it would be incredible bastard modding for the mod to tell town (the uninformed team) a lie, that they would have every reason to rely on as truth.
I think your points on Pie are good. But what do you propose to test the veracity of Pie's claim, which is the only other helpful information we have for hunting scum? Are you proposing not testing it at all?
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