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@whiteflame
I'm being genuine here, guys: can someone explain how it is more (or even equally) likely that a scum Barney would choose to claim this role (the weak information role that tracked my movement), this use of his role (targeting me, the player who had already claimed to get results from Earth), and this result (no movement) with the amount of information I had given him? Because, sincerely, I don't see it.
There's a million ways barney could be scum and you are ignoring them all.
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@whiteflame
He targeted me. He didn’t see that I moved. That’s either a Tracker, a Motion Detector, or some derivation thereof. I sincerely do not give a fuck if his role actually says “Motion Detector” - it does not change much since, like I said, it still means that Barney got an accurate result when I used my role, which I would argue is not what someone else would expect upon seeing the information I was given.
I just find it funny that you ignore any variable that could mean barney is scumLike maybe him asking the mod how a role like yours would work and whether it would count as a visit. He could have gotten the same answer as you from the mod before claiming his result. He could have been lucky in guessing that it didn't count as a visit. Your are dis-regarding him way too easily. What do you think about the two town roleblocker thing?
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I am not sure I’ve ever seen or played with a voyeur. At least not off the top of my head. My initial thoughts are that it is a bit convenient and explains why he doesn’t have np1 results to confirm him. Odd/even claims are always a bit sussy. However it does seem to fit the claim, and it’s a claim that can be easily proven fake by next day phase if he isn’t convienently roleblocked. Unless the mafia actually have a mafia voyeur ability, in which case it’s just role confirmation =\= affiliation confirmation.
At the very least I will say it eases my concerns but about the joebob flip flop because it does make sense to be suspicious of a tracker if that’s your actual role. However we now have quite a bit of investigative claims on the table and we have to figure out how it all balances if it does. Part of me feels like it’s too many investigators for town and that one of these is scum. I’m still leaning Barney for that for reasons mentioned earlier.
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@whiteflame
I don’t understand how you are lost or confused. You revealed all this on the first page of day phase 2, where you claimed having information that you knew you weren’t roleblocked, and now are acting like Barney revealing he is a town roleblocker confirms him. How are you jumping to that conclusion or the conclusion he is town at all? How does it fit town Barney more than scum Barney?So, a: it's not the first page of DP2. You're thinking of this post, where I detailed my results from the previous NP.b: you're thinking of this post from page 2 where I said this:Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.What I said, very clearly, was that I couldn't have been RB'd. Not that I wasn't RB'd at all.Also, note two things: the absence of a Motion Detector among the claims that wouldn't work against it (it's in my PM, I left that information out), and the absence of any statement that I didn't actually move when I used it.c: Let's put all this together. So, according to you, Barney somehow intuited that I didn't move. He specifically chose the Motion Detector, the one role listed in my PM from Austin that I didn't state would be ineffective when used on me, so he just lucked out picking that single role to use on me that Austin had confirmed wouldn't produce a result if used on me. That's the only way Barney's scum based on your logic: he somehow figured all this out based on a pair of posts that gave none of this information away. It has nothing to do with him claiming town RB. It never has.
You keep calling his role a motion detector, which completely ignores the second half of it. Not even Barney called his role a motion detector when he outed it. Mechanically it works similar, but you are grasping for it to confirm him because it was mentioned. Again we’d have to buy complete bastard mod behavior from Austin to straight up confirm another player to another player. The fact that you don’t see any way he could be mafia from those statements is frightening if you are actually town. Also why not consider the possibility that he isn’t lying about his role and mechanics and could still be mafia? Why are you so dead set he is town?
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…I’m sincerely so lost on this portion of your post. I said that my use of the chess engine wasn’t considered to be movement. That is information I did not reveal back when I stated what happened at the start of the DP. Barney targeted me with what he claims was a Motion Detector that didn’t register movement.So, what you’re assuming is that, somehow, Barney discerned from the limited information I gave within the DP that I used the chess engine, but in my use of it, I didn’t move? He somehow figured that out? Also, to be very clear about this, we’re talking about bastard modding either way. Austin delivered this info to me after the start of the DP, basically confirming that a role was used on me that fit that description. Either the person who used it was scum or they were town, but the confirmation was there regardless. The series of events fits far better for a town Barney than it does for a scum Barney.
I don’t understand how you are lost or confused. You revealed all this on the first page of day phase 2, where you claimed having information that you knew you weren’t roleblocked, and now are acting like Barney revealing he is a town roleblocker confirms him. How are you jumping to that conclusion or the conclusion he is town at all? How does it fit town Barney more than scum Barney?
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@Barney
Curious, it looks like you only just outed yourself, but Pie already knew... Am I missing something?
Check page 1 of the day phase out again. Did you think my memes were random? Pie was the only person who seemed to catch on what I was bread crumbing. There’s a reason I keep putting him in my town pile, aside from the behavior stuff I mention. And also why I didn’t hold him to the same standard of having to claim as I did with you.
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At most this should be null. Barney is claiming information that's been made publicly known in the day phase since the first page. It's funny you would jump to the conclusion he was town and mod-confirmed to you here only. That would be rather convenient, but yeah doesn't seem like Austin would do that.…except that’s not true. I never said that my use of the chess engine would not be registered as movement. I also never said that Motion Detector was on the list of roles that would not be triggered/effective against it.
Why would it be considered movement? You are not actively visiting another player, your are being visited by them. It doesn't take genius logic to come by the conclusion that you didn't move anywhere. I think you are passing barney off way too easily over that. You are basically insinuating that austin bastard modded and mod confirmed him to you only over very faulty logic.
It's more the avoidance of acknowledging the whole role blocking aspect that I have a problem titling him that. It's like a title that purposefully paints him in a town light.I acknowledged the RB. Just because I focused the attention of that post on the Motion Detector element doesn’t mean I ignored the RB in my responses.
Well it actually tripped me up, because I read this post before fully catching up, so I was reading events backwards the whole time confused as heck thinking barney was a motion detector while reading posts where he was acknowledging he was a roleblocker and the whole time in my head I kept reverting to "why did whiteflame call him a motion detector"?
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@whiteflame
As I saw it, he claimed a “weak investigator” role (likely Motion Detector, given that he said I didn’t move) and that his RB was contingent on it seeing movement from me. What did I get wrong?
It's more the avoidance of acknowledging the whole role blocking aspect that I have a problem titling him that. It's like a title that purposefully paints him in a town light.
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Okay so there is actually 3 reasons here that I suspect Barney for not telling the truth fully. I am going to try and be as discreet as possible with giving information here because it effects other people, not just me. If it was just me it effected I would full reveal it all.
Reason 1: My role is, I would consider an investigative role. It specifically deals with identifying roles that prevent or effect other actions. I am a mathematician, and each night I am supposed to receive a number of people from the mod that tells me how many actions were interfered with. From questions I asked the mod, this could be any action that interferes with or tampers with a role, including redirects, frames, lawyers, godfathers being investigated, etc etc.
Reason 2: I was consensually roleblocked last night (though I passively receive results, I am considered an active role). Given the circumstances regarding the roleblock, I believe I know who I was roleblocked by and I believe that person is town 100% based on the wording of the message. If barney is town I am forced to buy that there are multiple town roleblocking roles which now seems too much anti town utility, especially in light of a miller.
Reason 3: His role also functions as an investigator (virtually he can tell who has an active visiting role). We also have a confirmed flipped tracker, whiteflame claimed a cop ability, my role is investigative, and Supa hinted at an investigative role as well at the beginning of the phase as part of his reasons for vote switching off of joebob.
To start we should probably get a full claim from supa, as he claims his role is confirmable. But at this point I find barney's claim way too much of a coincidence.
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@ILikePie5
Very odd isn’t it? That’s why I don’t believe it one bit
Same. I think I would have to reveal some stuff in order to make that case for other townies to also buy this logic though. Should I reveal? Or at least partially reveal the part relevant here?
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@ILikePie5
It’s a very odd claim. He claimed investigator roleblocker where he targets two people. If he targets Person A and if Person A moves, person B gets roleblocked. I’m curious to hear the justification for that since a pin involves one move. He thinks I’m bullying him so can you ask for his justification.It was actually me that brought up the Motion Detector based on what I remembered about the role. Now that you brought it up, I looked at MafiaScum and MafiaUniverse and it says MD detects motions on and by the person. It’s very odd
yeah you were right about him being a roleblocker though. As mafia, I can see if he straight out claimed roleblocker he might think that was more scummy than outlining a roleblocker with specific function like this. But do you find it odd that there would be multiple town roleblocking roles?
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@Vader
Black pieces. Yes it’s a bit weird and that’s why I held off but seeing that JoeBob’s role was some form of a descriptor I feel a bit better. My role is also confirmable next DP and is one of the reasons I wanted to lynch JoeBob that I didn’t describe before
Black pieces.... Hmm
This is only the second physical thing to be claimed since pawn. I don't know that the theme split would be physical vs non physical, seems a little abstract, but so far it's the only real commonality I can see here among the claims.
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@whiteflame
What I find harder to believe is that Austin would actively facilitate scum like this by sending me that information after the night actions played out. It's not the best that it came out after the beginning of DP2 to begin with, but it lines up with Barney's telling of events. Maybe Austin would do this, actively affording scum an alibi for their actions that just so happens to include a fake claim that Barney actively used. Right now, I don't buy it.
At most this should be null. Barney is claiming information that's been made publicly known in the day phase since the first page. It's funny you would jump to the conclusion he was town and mod-confirmed to you here only. That would be rather convenient, but yeah doesn't seem like Austin would do that.
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@whiteflame
I assumed it was because someone targeted me. It's possible that the person who did that targeted me with an RB, that's literally on the list of actions he said would not affect mine. What was also on the list, and what I left off just in case it came up, was Motion Detector, the role that Barney just claimed.
Yeah… that’s not what he claimed at all….
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Some more in depth reads. Basically, they are the same as earlier but I want to add to them while there is a lull in activity.
Pie- Pie feels pretty townie to me. Especially in light of how inactive this game in, mafia really have the oppertunity to fly under the radar. Pie is basically leading the town in a way that feels like he is genuinely interested in cracking the case, like a real detective. He's been argumentative as usual, but I don't really feel like he has been super tunnel vision either. He has mentioned being suspicious of supa but even despite his scum read is going through the list and making sure everyone is playing their part. Him going after Barney feels even more town to me, because he isn't letting him get off the hook. Which he could totally just do and pursue his read of supa right now instead if he wanted. If he was scum pursuing a mislynch hes targetting someone I feel would be a bit harder to achieve a mislynch in here, as he could easily try and focus on moozer or supa here (I DO suspect both). He's giving barney ample time to respond and isn't taking bullshit. If pie was scum here he is going the absolute hardest route possible for no reason when he can take the easy route. Im fine with giving pie my financial support and look at him as the town leader at the moment.
Earth- I don't have any reason to doubt earths ability to grant cop powers or whatever he can do at the moment, simply because we know there was a flipped role in the graveyard with a miller modifier. He can be in my town pile.
Whiteflame- I am always suspicious of whiteflame, so I think I can be justified in saying that he shouldn't be completely removed as a suspect just because he confirmed earth. Mafia would have incentive to comply with town by confirming them too, and he could think it would give him town cred to do so. But atm I null read him, and will keep an eye on his behavior. I find his insight pretty invaluable regardless, so atm I don't have any immediate reason to suspect him.
Supa- I don't wanna keep going down this rabbit hole, I've said everything I can really say about him and its gotten to the point of repetitiveness. Ultimately I thought the flip flop on joebob was suspicious. The only reason I am semi dropping it is that supa has since revealed there may have been role reasons that attribute to his decision, which could justify him completely. Until I know what he is and why his role pm made him suspect joebob though, I am keeping him as scum. I think we will get to his full claim soon after barney's.
Moozer- This dude has basically been ignoring everyone, and feels he can get away with playing without attributing anything but his claim. I don't like that and I think it's the perfect play for mafia. Hell if I was scum and had a noob on my team I might even tell him to play that way and purposefully skate under the radar. Its fishy as hell, and he is pretty high on the radar.
Barney- Barney is someone I actually didn't suspect in iLikePie's game at all. Like 0 suspicion whatsoever. I tried guessing who scum where after I was night killed in that game and I am not even kidding you he was legit like my last guess. So naturally I am little bit more guarded on him. Lately he's kind of had this aggressive "leave me alone i'll post when the fvck I feel like it" vibe going on. I sympethize with having real life come before a game. But at the end of the day he hasn't really provided a ton of game solving strategy to the game that I would expect from him if he was town. And it's not like he's completely inactive either. He's online and posting, but virtually giving nothing with each post. It's not what I would expect out of a townie who is trying to solve a game. I can see his role as maybe a hint towards a protective role but I can also see why pie thinks it could be roleblocker as well. At any rate, I think scum would have a hard time coming up with fake claims in this game, and this feels for better or worse like an actual claim even if he is scum. Makes me wonder if the theme split is strategy vs chess concepts or something like that if barney is actually scum.
I think barney is highest on my radar, with supa or moozer coming in close second. Supa claims his role is confirmable. Role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation, but it is something to take into account.
But yeah I think at least one scum is somewhere in those three people.
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People always yell at me for suggesting this, but is there really much harm to a mass claim at this point? Again our investigative role is already outed, and scum have enough claims they can probably POE out the remaining power roles at this point anyway.
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@ILikePie5
I’m fine lynching Barney. Pin screams roleblocker because the piece being pinned cannot move
I hate to have to say this publicly, as yes I can see how you can view that as a role blocker. But I can also see that justifying a protective role. At any rate I don't really see the harm in him just coming out with it at this point, because I think mafia would have picked up on that by now as well if he isn't mafia. Also we already have an outed cop giver in earth, so the POE from mass claiming right now might be more beneficial to town.
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@ILikePie5
Can we all agree to get a full claim from Barney? Literally we have no other information to work on and Barney has dodged this for more than a day. He’s also one of the least active and is basically in the POE scum pile atm.
I do have my vote on him. I think people in general know what non-compliance results in. Or they should by now
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If moozer gives us nothing this day phase im fine with lynching him. This is ridiculous
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VTL Barney
He’s not in my town pile, and I excuse some inactivity for real world circumstances, but he’s been online and posting and not in my town pile, so I don’t see why he should be excluded from giving information if everyone else is. I don’t necessarily need a full claim here, character is fine. I’ll even trade mine.
I’m the ELO rating system. Your turn Barney boy.
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@whiteflame
I’m fine with giving a soft claim, I am a system created for chess. What you interpreted as a soft claim from me earlier wasn’t a soft claim. I do have some very mild information from last night as well though it doesn’t help town at this time to reveal it. I’ve breadcrumbed enough about it though where even if I die without revealing it, it would be pretty obvious what that info was at some point.
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@Barney
Supa/Vader is an interesting query. He basically taught me how to play this game, and he used to be kinda obvious when scum, but still won in spite of that. He'd basically confuse the issue with a major gambit, then NK whomever was saying he was scum, and then everyone would forget. Now days, I'd say look for patterns he forms a little too early.This game, he claims to have some useful power... If it's proven he doesn't, then we lynch, but that isn't today..
His flip flop on the joebob thing yesterday is really what's got me tripping out. Also I have played with supa for ages, and I didn't ever really think of him as a "amazing" player (no offense supa). However in the last game I modded with him I thought he played it really amazingly until he got CC'ed. I was very surprised by his level of skill, he predicted most town roles, even called out that you were likely damien darkblood in the last game, but still ended up risking it for some reason. Idk I just feel a little extra paranoid of him because he has shown such a jump in his skill that maybe in this game I am eyeing him a little too closely. But I agree he better have a role that justifies some of his actions last day phase, as he indeed claims he does.
Thoughts on Moozer?
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@Barney
I misremembered the short phrase, it should have been MILO; got an S where there should be an L... Granted, these short forms are annoying for not being acronyms.Whiteflame did most of the dashboard building so far this game, including adding Moozer's role. It did occur to me that it doesn't line up quite right, but I can't think of what the rook part of the role would equate to in a normal game, so I've left it as is. At a glance, we remember that he's some type of protector, and we have a link to his original claim if we need to drill down later in the game for actions which do not match claims.
Fair enough I suppose.
Any thoughts on supa?
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@Vader
Even then I had a completely different reason into voting him too that I tried to keep hidden to not leak info out there, but I guess since this looks like it’s going to be constant, I figured I’d say it. I’d rather not say now unless the town really would want me to
Can't say my curiosity hasnt been piqued.
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I am not saying that we didn't have the same reasoning. We both scum read him for the same reasons behaviorally, but we voted for him for different reasons. Pie's was more behavioral and mine was more role utility
The primary reason has nothing to do with this argument. It's been stated multiple times that was the most minor part of his FOS. It was an opener into questioning joebob. You said you have different reasons, but literally parroted every point.
That's the same reasoning doesn't mean that's why Pie primarily pushed him. It's basic mechanic on his role. Can't argue mechanics and how we go about it because that's a game mechanic.
Again, above ^
I never said MY reasons for lynching were different. I said what PUSHED the votes were different. Pie's push started from the grammar mistake which I simply read as not enough to base a read. When his behavior started to get more defensive and more SPECIFICALLY when he OUTTED HIS ROLE is when I was convinced he was scum.
Joebobs defensive behavior was before your posts in 147/149 where you were downplaying pies argument on joebob and calling him over aggressive.
It was within the first few posts of him getting pushed.
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@whiteflame
During the NP, I received a message from Austin saying that I was granted access to a "chess engine" at the expense of my night action, which functioned as a 1X Cop. Based on the claim he just gave of Stockfish (which is a chess engine), I can confirm that he targeted me. Unfortunately, I made the decision to target him (he obviously copped innocent), so he's basically double confirmed at this point.
So to clarify, you declined access to the chess engine? Were you told what it would do?
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@Vader
I didn't drastically change my vote but I kept reading the DP to catch up. Pie's analysis was more based on behavior and mine included some behavior but was more focused on role analytics and psych more than anything.
To answer this because I don't really think I did in the last post, Pie directly targeted and used minuet details to build up an argument. He kept pushing on JoeBob constantly that caused JoeBob to break down IMO. He kept pushing and pushing and getting town to lynch him hard that caused JoeBob to slip up and be behaviorally scum read. Plus the role as well being outted
I am all for the "changed my mind argument". However the "we had different reasons for voting" argument... hmmm...
I find this interesting. Lets dissect the real reasons then and see what the differences were between your reasons and pies reasons. Shall we?
Your post 268 is where you actually end up voting him.
Reason 1: The useless role argument.
Pies words post 165 : There’s no reason for scum to kill him. If he’s town then his results are delayed anyways. Let’s assume for sake of argument we lynch a townie today and NK is success. It becomes 5-2. We’d only be able to lynch JoeBob and it would be 3-2 LYLO with one result assuming he’s telling the truth. It makes no sense. One night’s worth of results for getting himself lynched? I don’t like it at all. I’m fine lynching him today
Supa's words: I am kind of just analyzing this now, but let's look deeper into his role for a second. We can only see what types of actions he did after he dies. This essentially makes him useless for what we know and his mechanic. Because the only point where we can actually lynch JoeBob is DP2 if he is actually town. Let's think for a second. The only way we even get info from him is if he dies. This means it gives him an excuse as to why he's staying alive as a tracker and word of mouth for the most part. We can't lynch him DP3 because it comes down to this. Lets say we lynch town DP1. 5v2 likely. The only way we can get info and not lose the game is if we lynch DP2 and that's only 1 NP of information and at that point it is a policy lynch. If town is fine with that then, not sure.
Literally an exact echo.
Reason 2: Joebob is being defensive
Pie's words to joebob: And your behavior at this point. Never seen you so defensive.
Pies words to me about joebob: He’s strawmanning my argument which I picked up as well.
Supa's words: I also am looking at behavior and JoeBob is acting a bit unusual from what I've seen him play as town. He is somewhat deflecting the main criticism and just pushing it as "idiot town" and "tunnelling" and not fully addressing the point of why we are suspicious of him.
Another Echo.
So again supa, how was yall's reasoning any different? Pie was either too agressive or he wasn't. I would accept a simple "I changed my mind" but you are actually trying to tell me you voted joebob for different reasons then pies and i'm not seeing the differences.
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@Barney
What is MISO? I am guessing MYLO but what is the acronym? Also why do you keep listing moozer as a bodyguard protector? He says protect, not sacrifice himself for, so wouldn't that function more as 1x universal doctor? and the second part of his role as an enabler seing as he prevents a rook from essentially being roleblocked?
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@Moozer325
I can only use my ability, protecting one person and making one other person's ability untamperable for one night.
Hypothetical gun to your head situation, you had to lynch someone right now, who it would it be and why?
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@Vader
Can you explain what made you change your opinion on this issue between last night and tonight so quickly?It wasn’t “quick” it was an 13 hour time differential between the two and I read more into JoeBob where he posted more and outted his role. I wasn’t even fully caught up by the time I wrote 147 and when I explained by being very aggressive on him. To be clear I voted from behavioral analysis and role utility and likelihood of scum and not because of some stupid grammar mistake that 80% of the world makes. I also know town has outted enough info to potential scum at this point so I think out of all the people to lynch in DP1, JoeBob is who I consider the most scummy. I even had him as a scum read in my original analysis. I can go deeper if you’d like
What about pie's behavior was "aggressive" then? Because when you voted for joebob it was an exact echo of all the thoughts pie had made throughout the day phase. The grammar thing was barely mentioned after being the initial reason for him targeting joebob in the first place.
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@Vader
Option 1. Scum know every role in the game. Least likely but in DP1 they know what everyone's role is, so thus they knew they needed to kill JoeBob NP1. Even then this is the least likely possibility because I doubt there is a mechanic that broken in the game
I mean that still wouldn't be a priority role for them to kill though, you would think they would be targeting power roles over soldier np1.
Option 2. Scum has a noob on the team which results in this action. This includes a player who is overly-paranoid about certain things and tends to overthink. Plus a noob player
This could be the case. Or dun dun dun.... They want us to think there is a noob on the team...
Option 3. Pie is scum. Pie tried to draw WIFOM on us with the Savant lynch. He is known to have a policy lynch of Miller's DP2. He could use the argument of "if I was scum why would I kill Savant when I could draw mislynch based on my policy DP2." I could see Pie running with this
This one makes the least sense to me. Pie as scum would 100% have left savant alive and this is one of the main reasons I am town reading him. Also I don't think Pie would have gone as hard as he did on joebob last day phase as scum. Not that he wouldn't be aggressive per se, but I think the aggression would have looked different. I think pie was genuinely pursuing the best lynch option last day phase, where I think as scum he might have gone for someone like barney, me or whiteflame instead. But savant I think pie would 100% try and mislynch.
I think these are the 3 choices that I have on the table at the moment. The fit for the category of 2 for overthinking or players would aren't as active would be Moozer as a Noob. The second scum partner could be WF. No offense but I've seen WF tend to overthink sometimes when it comes to mafia and it's very possible he overthought the Miller and wanted to lynch. I could also see Barney or Earth doing this as well. Players who tend to take a backseat during the game and let town eat at themselves and debate on this. Option 3 means that Pie is scum for sure but who is his buddy
Barney killed me off pretty quick when he was scum in pie's game, and I dont think I had even really shown any indication of scum reading them at that point. I think Barney's MO is more to target active players. Could be wrong. The night kill was definitely an interesting choice, and I guess I can see whiteflame potentially overthinking it. Really have no clue what earth would do.
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I will be on in a couple hours, I have to drive to work and get settled in, then I am free to post some more. There's some things from last day phase I noticed and I want to get into.
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@ILikePie5
Your my top town read for your behavior last day phase and another reason I dont want to get into right now.
Im gonna take whiteflame and earth's "confirmations" with a grain of salt, but I don't see any reason for either of them to give more information about their character or roles at this point.
Barney hasn't contributed enough for me to form a read on yet.
Moozer is suspicious by POE.
My top scum read is supa at the moment. I will go further into detail on this soon, but I wanna hear his "theories" first.
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Soldier is pretty powerful but I think that would have been a hard claim to believe too.
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@ILikePie5
My role is confirmable
God damn charity organizations and their good intentions, amiright?
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@Vader
This feels a bit like a flip flop from post 147/149 where you were thinking pie was going too hard on joebob and 159 where you had referred to him as over aggressive (several posts said this) and now you are essentially echoing all of pies talking points in regards to joebob. Can you explain what made you change your opinion on this issue between last night and tonight so quickly?
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I’m m fine with voting joebob here honestly. For reasons explained last night and he hasn’t said anything to really better his situation. And I think we have enough claims for this day phase. I would like to hear more from Barney and Whiteflame on their overall general thoughts but I don’t think they need to claim. I buy Barney is busy based on what he said in the sign ups about being an extra and generally he was pretty damn active when he was scum in pies game. Nothing about is activity is really a red flag for me at this moment
VTL joebob
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@JoeBob
You were strawmanning his argument before that about him only pushing you because you defended savant, which wasn’t true.
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@whiteflame
Alright, having just caught up on the DP… yeah, I don’t get the basis for this push on JoeBob. I think the basis for sussing him is weak at best, and this statement by Pie is just flat out false:
NGL I actually town read this from pie. I don't get the vibe he is tunneling joebob or even thinks joebob is scum yet, but he feels like he is scum hunting and sometimes a convoluted push is the best way to get reactions, and the way joebob is reacting is what is more interesting about the exchange then the initial reason for pie pushing him. I don't think shutting down an open line of investigation for being based on contrived reasoning is really all that beneficial here.
I can confirm that I’ve played with JoeBob as scum. I’ve seen how he behaves in the role. I think he’d be more careful about his posts if he was scum, since he regularly requested help with those posts in that game. None of what I’ve seen so far matches his scum behavior in that game.
What's strange is that he does seem careful here to me, and it goes against his normal townie IDGAF attitude that I've seen in the few games i've played with him in and hosted of him. When he finally caves and gives pie the claim you notice the shift. I'll grant you posted this prior to that happening.
What do you think about the claim? Do you find it odd that he didn't ask austin questions about how his role worked right off the rip?
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@Barney
@Vader
Don't get angry with me for tagging you barney, this post is just a reminder that I would like to hear some of your thoughts and feedback whenever you are free to post in the game. Vader, I'd like your thoughts as well.
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