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@sadolite
All you who use the site for free should pony up the three dollars per month to use it. You spend more on a cup of coffee every fucken day. You have no excuse.
Plenty of people here including myself have donated to the Patreon in the past when it was available. The owner is literally just gone now.
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Wasn't as attached to this site as debate.org, but I have been an active member of the mafia forum for 8 years so I will have some fond memories of the games there and the times had. I know the community will continue on though. If for some reason debatecraft doesnt work out, we will find somewhere else. We are well connected in this nerd social circle.
Love you all.
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@Swagnarok
Thett is not generous.Thett is not kind.Thett is not a friend to children or to the elderly or the insane.Thett is weak and hasn't helped anyone lift a heavy object.Thett doesn't attend many dances and is unpopular with the other attendees.Thett hates films and owns a machine that can't play them.Thett is awful and can't swim gracefully or well.Thett lost a game two weeks ago.Thett does not value water.A photo of Thett with a trophy was never in a newspaper, because Thett has never had a trophy.Thett fears muggers and knaves.Thett hates the sound of radar.
I bet not many people knew you were referencing severance.
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@Vader
He had another one that had a million roles on it, any way to recover that? he deleted it out of pettiness.
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@FLRW
I figured it out, you just cant try to put a profile pic in then it lets you
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how did you make an account? I tried all three different ways plus the default way
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@Mikal
Tech is live. Savant is busting his ass on it and still working through some bugs but the template is up. Hoping it will be be fully usable in the near future.
I tried to create an account but got an internal error.
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@ILikePie5
What makes you think it’s a fake claim?
His behavior overall, plus theres already two claimed vanillas, thats a lot of empty role usage. Also remember its a long the same vein as vaders fake claim.
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@ILikePie5
Yes, he doesn’t look good at all, but do you think he’d be openly defending his scum partner like that? Genuine question
Early on when there was no steam around the wagon, sure. But notice how his reads change and progress based on how you and mikal were pressuring vader. You went afk for the latter half of the day and mikal was changing his read, he conveniently backs off of scum reading him during that period of time, and only jumps back on at the end, but there is no clear thought progression that shows what made him switch back to being on vader. I am left to assume he bussed his partner who was at l-1 out of lack of options. If someone else were to hammer that would have looked even worse for him so it was a play for last minute town cred.
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Meh sounds like a fake claim honestly. Doesn’t do enough for me to clear the behavioral analysis. I’m good lynching ref today.
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@ILikePie5
Drunk and on my phone, but basically
POE is joebob, ref, ceru technically (need a good behavior reason to lynch them tho), Banana feels scum I am kinda giving her a pass on role hint but I don’t like the slot, Casey still feels town, I’d say you pie are probably town, Mikal is town, ultra probably town, DD town, Whiteflame probably town, might be missing some.
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@Cerulean
V/V? Villager/Villager?
Idk this gen z lingo
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Honestly if I’m scum bussing and I hit another bus just let me do my thing lmao I’m helping town aren’t I? The bus theory is wild but if you genuinely believe I’m bussing all my team mates that’s funny af
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@Cerulean
What worries me is the possibility of a Luantic/REF v/v world.
After already being accused of bussing supa that’s actually pretty funny. Maybe I’m just scum and bussing everyone on of my team mates for the glory factor eh?
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@ILikePie5
If you believe the game is 10-3-1, who do you think is the TP and why?
No clue
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@ILikePie5
Yet Savant did the same thing. Haven’t seen you say anything about him
I buy multiple vanillas to an extent but three is a lot. Also why would I doubt savant when he cced someone we know is scum?
Also thoughts on ref? I see you asked for his claim but you haven’t taken much of a stance otherwise unless I missed it.
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The case on ref is literally behavior. Just saying. We don’t even have the man’s claim yet.
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@Mikal
Sure campfire can slow poison but it does not remove it and it also is not the main purpose.
Didn’t he say his justification was about mitigation not a cure all? Idk man this isn’t a theme I’m all too familiar with but I still would rather focus behavior over claim stuff. Claim stuff can be a factor but not a primary reason imo
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@Mikal
What that campfires are found underground? Already know that’s bs because looks are found underground too per my pm.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I led a lynch on the only scum in the graveyard and half the player list is accusing me of a bus job lol. Please don’t join that crowd of lunatics. I’m the real slim shady lunatic, and I’m town.
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@iamanabanana
Does it seem strange that the two have like no interaction with each other despite being focal points of the conversation?
I am focused on ref atm but ceru was in my POe earlier. I am just a little suspicious of detractors of the ref lynch which makes me think this could be a mislynch but maybe he is scum idk
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@iamanabanana
My top two scum reads are between Luna and cerulean. Luna lied about being vanilla and I don’t understand why. And ceruleans role just feels really wierd. I also don’t like Luna trying to use the Whiteflame wagon against everyone, it’s almost as if he knew the wagon would be guilty which means he is scum with supa looking for bus town cred. But that’s my top two scum reads right now. Also not to mention ultra saying Luna should have got a message and Luna denying getting one. I’d rather lynch him but I can get behind cerulean too.
If you claim vanilla you lose a lot of role utility. Nothing is better as a vanilla than being able to bait a night kill. It was unfortunate I wa appeased by Mikal so early into claiming but ideally I wouldn’t have had to claim at all dp1 and then I was a likely night kill last night.
I don’t recommend most people do what I did but I did it with strategic purpose and Mikal dumb reading me over my character fvcked things up.
Anyways I’m done explaining why I lied about being vanilla, it was a contributing reason I wanted to lynch supa and in the end I was right. The bussing theory is kind of wild and unsubstantiated. I feel like you are waging people more easily this game then you normally do and I don’t like it one bit. Your character claim is the only reason I am not pushing you harder atm
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@whiteflame
Regarding Joebob, is there any particular reason we haven't sought any more information from him? I know we have a softclaim, but he's on virtually everyone's lists as null and I haven't seen a whole lot of substance from him.
Honestly been hung up on bigger fish but I did call him out for inactivity earlier, kind of bought his excuse but at the same time I’m not super comfortable with him floating by either
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@ResurgetExFavilla
You trying to accuse me of lying is hilarious when I literally just got pasted your own posts and linked them for people to read of their own context lol.
If I’m letting people click on your own links to read things from your own mouth how is that a misrepresentation?
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@ILikePie5
Even if you had told the truth, we would’ve lynched Supa over you because of the blatant contradiction. This flip flop now doesn’t make any sense at all and just muddies the picture even more.
It’s really not that complex, expand your peanut size brain and you’ll be okay lol
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@ILikePie5
That’s irrelevant to me because your initial “scumread” came based on flimsy logic imo
In your opinion, but it was also combined with the fact that I counter claimed him.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
On my phone so can’t line by line respond as easy, but I’ll address your main points.
1. My ISO post on you just links your posts for everyone to read, I didn’t soon anything. Those posts were all your own words in defense of a now confirmed scum.
2. You can’t use Mikal as an excuse because he’s confirmed town. I would be suspicious of him otherwise but like I said to Casey using Mikal as an example here is a moot point with him being confirmed.
2A: Plus you argued against Mikal and may have been one of the reasons he switched off supa in the first place
3: not being on Whiteflames wagon doesn’t save you, he was four votes away with a limiting time limit on the day phase expiring. Supa was one vote away from being lynched. If supa were to be lynched and found guilty later you would have looked really bad, at this point this was the most sensible lynch to earn last minute town cred
3B: You showed no progression from your read when you were last town reading and defending Vader to your post when you scum read him in your reads. You literally waited until it was the only option to even seem to heavily consider that lynch.
4. Stop using your schedule against me like I know or care about it. The day phase isn’t even halfway over you aren’t a risk of being lynched. I’m not taking advantage of your inactivity purposefully like you’re trying to make it out to be. You can respond to these posts whenever you want no one gives a fvck.
Also in reference to post 258 please quote me, unless I was talking about you moving him from null to town based on the mod slip i still don’t know what your talking about.
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Just curious why is it out of the question that ceru could be a counter to iron messing up? Or even if he didn’t mess up it’s town conf if used.
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@Mikal
Didn’t mean it in a bad way. Just more like (your reads are shit so help me push). That is a good way to buddy me. I’m really not fully sure about you atmAgain ceru is a campfire and claiming they heal poison. That apparently does not work that way in game
pretty sure I never said that btw
And yes I’m buddying you because your confirmed town.
It would be nice if there was a legit reason you didn’t trust me other than some whack theory about me bussing. I made the same point to ref but I’ll make it to you.
Say you were copped innocent. It would be whack of me to continuously push you based on the theory that you were godfather. While it’s technically possible it shouldn’t be presumed true until a lylo scenario anyway. It’s just a random theory that you are choosing to believe, one that happens rarely btw. Your choosing to buy me bussing as opposed to just being legit town after pushing a successful scum read. There no basis for that, I’m just guilty until proven innocent. That’s some backwards ass logic
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@whiteflame
I have reason to townread you in spite of this due to how much and consistently you pushed on Vader, but I do feel validated sussing your claim now. This doesn't shift the needle much, but if Vader had somehow been town, this would look terrible.
I wasn’t pursuing him off of this alone, it just added weight to my suspicion of him
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@Mikal
I also don’t like the fact Luna is gaslighting me about the bad read. I followed the supa lynch until the very end and thought wf was a better choice but everyone can be wrong. Using that as excuse to get me to sheep seems sussy. Yeah the read sucked but you move on and I may be wrong again.But right now I’m really entertaining the unground split and want to start with ceru.
woah woah woah when did I gaslight you about the bad read? Idek where you are getting that
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Heading to a concert will be posting lightly from mobile but not a ton if I can help it
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@Mikal
I wana know Lunas full role as it will tell us what happened with that because it’s odd. I think it’s likely not a buss but we can’t rule it out either.
Since you are still on this, I'll just say it. I am a vanilla. The loom mostly crafts things using mostly silk and the items are usually vanity based, thus I am vanilla. It's a huge part of the reason I wanted to lynch supa day phase one after savant CC'ed him. I still buy savant is a vanilla, but three vanillas was kind of a lot to buy. I also thought I could bait a night kill with strengthener without much risk of CC'ing town with another role. I am probably going to regret saying this because now Pie and Ref are going to use this argument against me to say I am scum and I really didn't want to go down this rabbit hole. If your gonna lie as town, I feel like you gotta roll with it, fake it til you make it. But with Ultra saying he visited me I honestly have no clue unless I was blocked or something, because I don't have an active role.
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@whiteflame
I don't think it would have looked that terrible for him, especially given that I was basically the default pick for a number of other people at the time. I won't argue that his behavior before that point was looking a bit off, and I see your post detailing the reasons why, but the decision to hammer meant missing out on a pretty easy mislynch target and losing out on at least one NP with Vader in play. Maybe he saw it as worth gaining a little bit of towncred for the loss, I'm not dismissing that, but it's a lot to give up with little risk.
If you were scum in this scenario, knowing you were town, and that you could vote whiteflame who was still 4 votes away from being lynched (theres a chance this lynch doesn't even happen with how little time was left) or do you hammer before someone else can? Because at this point anyone could have hammered vader. If you were scum would you take the chance and pray you get another 4 votes for a mislynch, or do you count it as a loss and take any town cred you can get at this point? I think a lot of people would choose the latter, but maybe you wouldn't. Just curious.
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@whiteflame
That being said, I think this whole thing is distracting and it seems town v town. I don’t love Luna’s Even Night addendum to his claim, but I can’t see him going this hard to distance himself from his scum partner. As for Resurget, maybe he hammered to get some towncred, but he had the opportunity to post a vote on me instead and it wouldn’t have been difficult to justify at that point. If he had, I could just as easily been the lynch since I was offering to self-hammer with WyIted’s assistance.
What if he had hammered you, you flip town, and it was later revealed that vader was scum anyway?
Then how bad does he look? Voting Vader here was his once chance to earn town cred, but he still did it after showing no progression of how he came to that conclusion after hard defending supa blatantly 5 times in a row.
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@Mikal
If your not strengthener what are you? And you are saying you didn’t get a message from Ultra?
I'll ignore the first part, I did not get a message from ultra.
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Let's take a detailed look at Ref's scum read progression on Vader since he's calling me a liar.
I first start scumreading Vader in post 230 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=8&post_number=230
All Offenses where Ref defends vader:
Blatant 1st Offense: Ref immediately counter votes me when I place my vote on his scum buddy. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=8&post_number=240
Blatant 2nd Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=10&post_number=286
Mikal Votes supa: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=13&post_number=389
(At this point he pretends to flip flop) https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=14&post_number=400 (Notice here he even sets me up as scum bussing in the case vader is scum, can't ever give anyone appropriate town cred for pursual of this lynch lol)
Blatant 3rd Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=14&post_number=397 (Defending his scum buddies fake claim against mikal)
Tries to shift the lynch away from vader: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=423
Starts diminishing his read on Vader by saying it doesn't qualify as a "LAL thing": https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=435 ('This isn't shaking out to be one of them')
Blatant 4th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=439 "Supa feels honest to me"
His scum slip revealing TMI about how many claims mafia received, just for fun: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=443
Blatant 5th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=17&post_number=481
Blatant 6th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=17&post_number=492
Blatant 7th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=17&post_number=505
More Supa defense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=18&post_number=528
Randomly puts vader back in his scum pile despite defending him: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=22&post_number=642
At this point he dis-appears and doesn't re-appear until its time to hammer. He places the final vote with no real apparent progression demonstrating what made him switch back to vader, even in his final vote says its to "avoid a no lynch".
It's ironic that 5/7 blatant defenses come after mikal starts showing doubt, much of the doubt mikal shows seems to stem from these interactions with ref period. Ref was always in supas camp until it was no longer viable to do so.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Can't respond at length now but anyone can do an iso on me right now and see this is am abject lie. Never did I ONCE put Mikal in my scum pile, I read him as town since the second he was confirmed and sought his help reading you.
I didn't say you put mikal in your scum pile, who is the one lying now? Wtf are you even talking about? Im guessing your drunk? Sounds like some good wine, share it with me next time. I said you were riding his coat tails and stopped boarding the supa train the second he did.
Your fixation on getting credit for your lynch also reeks of a bus
Considering how rare busses are, and how I don't have a recent history with bussing as scum, its kind of hilarious how much this argument is being used against me. This is an argument that shouldn't even be getting any credence til LYLO. I should be prima facie assumed town for leading that lynch.
That's you getting copped innocent and me just hardcore pushing your lynch because I have a theory you are a god father. You may be the godfather, but my theory that you are one doesn't stand alone as a reason to lynch you. Just like your theory that I am bussing doesn't standalone as a decent reason to lynch me. I don't even think you would be confident enough to do this if pie wasn't nipping at my heals.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
More lies/lazy scumhunting. I even already referenced this in a reply for you. I scumread Supa in my final list of reads (#642), put him as one of my top lynch targets, and then hammered him when it looked like the clock might run out with a NL.
Lazy scum reading? You are riding the coat tails of MY lynch you dumb mother fvcker. Who was the first one on supa? who lead the fvcking lynch? You argued against it at every fvcking turn retard. You hammered him because it would have been scummy as f not to at that point.
Supa was literally my only lean scum read, my strongest scum read, I opposed the people pushing for a NL over a Supa lynch, and I said:
And the second mikal started waffling you put him right back in your town pile. Don't try to change the narrative guy.
I logged in towards the end of the DP, looked at what Supa had to say about his claim, found it dissatisfactory, and hammered him. It's not like I had a billion posts between these all in which my read and support for that lynch could be forgotten. A simple iso on me would have revealed it. So, are you scum reading me without even looking at an iso? This post was at 07.09.2025 12:30PM I hammered Supa at 07.10.2025 10:59AM, so I had been scum reading him and holding him out as a lynch target for almost 24 hours. Why are you lying/lazy?
An Iso on you revealed that you had more posts against lynching supa than for it. You literally changed to supa because you HAD to otherwise you would have looked scummy. Too bad, still looks fvcking scummy.
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Vtl LunaIt's strange to me Luna can't attest to my visit. Granted, I think it would only be apparent if he had a night action to use last night. The new "even nights only" information seems like a convenient way to not verify me and to justify not strengthening anyone last night.
I am town. If you lynch me you are a fvcking retard.
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Also whoever is liking pies posts anytime he says anything remotely adverse to me, I see you and I know your manipulation strategy. You fvcker.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
We saw contradictions in his behavior and story; the soft claim was just the catalyst that generated that original activity. Mikal sought out soft claims only. Now you want over half of town to have claims out there DP2 when we're down a cop.
You are not “we”. You constantly made excuses for Vader and avoided that lynch like the plague until the last second and only joined it because it looked inevitable. Acting like you thought this was obvious in hindsight is sus af.
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@Mikal
Help me pressure ref. You told me last day phase he would be in the POE if Vader flipped scum. Let’s put money and mouths together and get AJ explanation from him. Not letting him back out of this one.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
This DP Pie seems a lot more town than Luna. His scumhunting seems more pointed and driven, he's asking the right questions, he's analytical. Luna reads like the scumhunting is very lazy and that he's coasting on towncred, which makes me give the bus theory a bit more credence.VTL Luna
lol your wagging pies retarded logic because you realize I am a threat to you. I’ve been lazy? I have been trying to focus the inacgives like Joebob and ultra. But if you want me back on track let’s talk about the fact that you defended supa multiple times last day phase, flip
Flopped only to him when someone like pie made a compelling case, but never seemed willing to commit to the lynch until the last moment. I told people we needed to focus you this day phase and now your convienently ongusing me cuz I’m a threat. I get it buddy. But time to answer for your crimes.
Vtl ref
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@ILikePie5
Issue for me is that it was a “weak” slip. Not even really a slip, and he just went hard. I also hated Supa’s reaction.
You are ignoring the latter half of the reasons I pursued supa. At first he was just the best option. But then he wasn’t scum hunting, omgused and admitted hiding PM mistakes from town for self preservation reason which had contrasted behavior from a recent game and I pointed all this out many times during the late day phase surge to get him lynched.
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