Lunatic

My third issue with Ceru is the character. It’s tied to Black Slime in the sense that Campfires are naturally found in the Underground and Cavern layers, which I think may be the theme split. Overworld items vs underground items. The only issue is the possible fake claims out there.

A commuter is also a very powerful role for town to have, but it's scummy because it's alignment neutral. Strengthener is also alignment-neutral and can be used to explain away visits for more nefarious purposes. I didn't say that it wasn't powerful, only that it's a claim that scum would make.

Pie

Mikal - Town via mod confirmation

Wylted - Town

Banana - Lean Town

Ultra - Lean Town

Casey - Lean Town

Savant - Tilt Town

Cerulean - Null

Whiteflame - Null

REF - Null

JoeBob - Null

Lunatic - Tilt Scum

I also heavily dislike the fact that Luna hasn’t said who he strengthened yet. You know my theory on the bus.

Any reason you haven’t said who you Strengthened last night?

Lunatic should be able to confirm someone (me) visited them last night.

All I'll say for now is that I'm the one that visited you last night 

At the time of my vote there were about three hours left, and I was about to be absent for an extended period of time

Since I was a little overwhelmed by the dp and didn't fully know what was going on I didn't want to hammer Vader, but I also didn't want to completely ghost town, so I voted WF. 

I stand by my decision to vote whiteflame last day phase. I had no way of knowing vader was scum, and like I told luna, the reason for voting whiteflame wasn't deep or out of some principal. I townread casey and mikal and both of them were on the whiteflame wagon, plus the day phase was ending and I knew I wouldn't be around at the end of the day phase to vote, so out of all the options available vaders wagon seemed scummier. Lunatic pushing it so hard almost made it seem like it was going to be a guaranteed town lynch that he could just make an excuse for the next day phase and say something like "well I thought he was scummy blah blah" and I didn't feel good about it. He happened to be right about vader but I think it was more luck than actual logic.

Something about this post bothers me. It’s like my logical thought was if an anti poison role does exist it was to counter TVs role.  It sure I believe that 

But you went a step further and say the justification for his claim is because you think mafia or someone likely had another poison ability. 

It’s almost like knowledge that should not be there. I did not even consider a second poison role exists which is why I didn’t buy the claim

Not noticing that irontoaster was a poisoner seems like a genuine townslip. 

Wdym not noticing?

Luna tunneled him but I think lunas tunnel could almost be bus type weird where as pie seemed to actually stick with the same case I had which was the weird inconsistency with his statements.

I was planning to come into today hard claiming this anyway, so I don't mind doing it now.

I am Campfire, Poison Healer. I don't believe my role only exists to counter Iron, so scum must have a Poisoner.

The fact that nobody is poisoned suggests to me that the person who tried to do it was blocked or otherwise unsuccessful.

To clarify just because Vader slipped doesn’t clear wf. Wf can still be scum but if that wasn’t a mid given fake claim for super I think ceru is prob the one that made it. 

I think ceru is more important but my read on supa was off at the end. Punching myself for not following through initially 

Yeah, I was wrong about Vader. It happens. Everyone is wrong sometimes. But I wasn't the one who put momentum behind the WF wagon. Mikal was the one who was pushing WF hard. You can look back at my progression during DP1. I outright said that I didn't really have any better alternative lynches. It was Mikal that offered WF as an alternative. What would be the point of me trying to defend Vader as scum without really trying to move the lynch in a different direction? All that would do is make me look sus when Vader inevitably flipped scum. 

There was a strengthener, an obligate visitor off the top of my head, and I think one other that's slipping my mind as I'm not home right now. But a lot of them were roles that are common scum fakeclaims.

Anyone know what year I wrote this? Feels like it must have been at least 15 years ago.

If I’m wrong I’ll apologize and say my reads suck this game

Huh? Take Vader off L-1. We have hours and wagons are still swinging. At least let him give a final legacy.

I want to give a final comprehensive read list but I will be at work when the DP ends so no guarantees. My top scum reads atm are Luna and Pie. Pie seems way to eager to find mislynch targets and Luna’s behavior has fluctuated way too much depending on the pressure

This is pretty different from that situation. First of all, I am not voting whiteflame out some sort of principal or anything deep. I am voting whiteflame because the day phase is almost expired and he doesn't have a role that helps town. Chances are already high that he is fake claiming, but in the chance he isn't, we aren't losing a pivotal town role. Plus he himself said he was only holding off on claiming his role because he thought he could bait a night kill. Well now that he's claimed that option is off the table, and he can only be a liability to the town if he's showing up on reports and using his role as an excuse every time.

I tried catching up, and got dis-interested, so just ended up reading the last few pages. I am okay with lynching whiteflame, his role doesn't seem like it is helpful to town. I trust mikal and casey on this one and I agree that vader seems kind of townie.

Whiteflame is the lynch today.

VTL whiteflame.

The underlined just seems fake. There was also something he said about supa that bothered me but I’d have to go back and find it and on my phone. Just his passive maybe maybe not and some of his posts just feel like it’s trying to be innocent and build town cred 

His behavior is also bad. Go back and ISO him.