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Mafia win! Mafia were whiteflame and Mharman.

Theme split was "Fundamental MMA skills vs extraneous ones" Basically Jui-jitsu and boxing, If you don't know at least the basics of those two skills you are at a disadvantage in an MMA fight.


One of Mharmans JOAT ability is a vote remover which was used on earth. The numbers would have been 3-1 meaning town would need 3 votes to secure a lynch but would only have 2 with that2 and RM. 

This is gonna be a tough one for town to swallow since they got it right in the last day phase, however it was a very swingy game. The vigilante if mis used basically takes away a mislynch as it did here, and the justice being outted so early as well hurt the town.

Town had a vig and a Justice so I wouldn't say mafia was OP, but I will agree this was a swingy game. GG to everyone who was involved. Good job to RM for getting it right in the end. Sounds like pie was on the right track as well, and correctly guessed the scum before I even told him who they were. 
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ComputerNerd: Aikido- 2x Role Reverser- Town

iLikePie5: You are Muay Thai! You are a different form of striking that is popular in Thailand. Your art uses leg kicks as well as striking to incapacitate your opponent. Fighters in Thailand are known to be able to snap trees in half with kicks that are so powerful it’s hard to believe a human is capable of such power. Holly Holmes showed the world the power of Muay Thai when she took out Ronda Rousey with a leg kick, who was an MMA icon in 2015. Some of the most brutal knockouts ever seen have been the spawn of leg kicks or flying knees to the face. You are the 1x vigilante! One time in the game you can target another player and remove them from the game. Use this ability wisely! You win with the town.

Incel-Chud: You are Wrestling! Wrestling is an important skill to have in martial arts. In MMA, you can get held down by a decent wrestler for the whole match and lose, just like what happened to Jorge Masdival when he fought Colby Covington. You are the Jailkeeper! Each night you can pin a person down protecting them and role-blocking them for that night phase. You win with the town


LIVING PLAYERS

RM
That2user
Mharman
Supadudz
Whiteflame
Earth

With 6 players it takes 4 votes to reach majority! 

Day phase will end in 72 hours, or on Saturday March 29th, at 10:00 PM CST. 





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Welcome to Mixed Martial Arts Mafia! There is a theme split. Mafia were not given fake character claims. Good luck and have fun! As usual I will not be answering questions in the day phase, but if you have questions about how your specific role functions please PM me. 

LIVING PLAYERS

RM
That2user
iLikePie5
ComputerNerd
Mharman
Supadudz
Whiteflame
Earth
Incel-Chud

With 9 players it takes 5 votes to reach majority! 

Day phase will end in 72 hours, or on Saturday March 26th, at 12:30 PM CST. 



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Theme is Mixed Martial Arts. Not people, but but the martial arts themselves. Each person will be a different Martial Art. No fake claims will be given, theme split will exist. 

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Today I decided I am not gonna let myself get stood up by fake friends who talk a big game when you talk to them but literally never show up for you, skip on commitments, promise things and don't follow up on them, act like their schedule is more important than yours and their time is more valuable, etc. Seriously just fuck that. There has to be some sort of equality in a friendship. If one person is acting like their fucking time is so important that the fact you can hang with them for even a brief amount of time, you should be grateful, fuck them. That's a fake friend and you deserve better. Drop them from your life. You will feel much better. Don't let people walk on you. 

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Mafia wins and third party wins!! (Mikal, Sui_Generis, iLikePie5, greyparrot)

Theme split was "The Byrdes vs everyone else" because in the show the Byrdes (while their intentions are innocent) completely destroy the lives of everyone they encounter in the Ozarks.



Thankyou guys for the activity and it looked like a pretty interesting game. Mharman put in a lot of work, effort, research. May have missed the mark, but it's a learning experience. Been there.


I will adamantly defend the fact that my statement did not "confirm" supa and will happily accept a debate to back this up. Mafia was only salty because of bias. But I would have 100% said the same thing if I made a mod mistake and the scum was getting lynched for "lying about results" when it was really the mods fault. Mods should own up to mistakes, and I would be highly dis-appointed if I played in a game where a mod didn't. Regardless I don't think that would have honestly effected your argument of supa that much. There was behavioral analysis too I hope, otherwise your basically saying the only reason to lynch supa was based on a mod mistake, which is borderline admitting you had no grounds to lynch supa. We both know this isn't the case so basically stop being salty little b1tches, mikal and pie.  ;-) Especially when you guys won as dominantly as you did. Good job to mafia, and GG's to town. Better luck next time townies. 

Quite a few of you were on the right track even early on (I am looking at you badger) but didn't quite have the pull to pull off some of the lynches.

I don't really like doing MVP's because people tend to care more about the results then the process. But I liked the way Mharman pieced things together even if he was wrong sometimes. You can't always be right, but he did his due dilligence and I think investigated things to the best of his ability. And badger had some great gut reads and stuck to them. So town MVP's were probably those two. Mharman was incredibly universally town read, so even if his reads were wrong he did play incredibly town like, so in that he did his job lol. 

Mafia did really well, particularly pie and Mikal. Really good communication and coordination with stuff, Sui made some really good fake claims that seemed to work pretty well. 

Computernerds first time as cop, but yeah obviously claiming detective roy petty dp1 was horrible for him, especially since it basically nullified mharmans role as an advocate for him. Mharmans role was designed as way for the cop to be able to avoid claiming and get away with it because mharman could have been in his back pocket to defend him and confirm him at any time. Also computernerd copped badger after badger already claimed to innocent child... That was painful. Didn't matter because he was roleblocked but yeah..

Only other critique I have is maybe whiteflame should have forfeited his role after he used it to confirm himself. Mafia realized really quickly the value of being able to redirect that. I guess he couldn't have known there was a redirector, but yeah still kind of sucked. It would have sucked anyway though since he targetted pie and pie was scum as well, so I guess it wouldn't have mattered though since sui would have been lynched DP3.

GG's all.

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Dead Players:

Earth- Jacob Snell- JOAT (Vigilante, Forensic Investigator, Bulletproof) - Town (Lynched DP1)

DD- Ruth Langmore- Bodyguard (Killed NP1)

Airmax- Helen Pierce- Babysitter (Lynched DP2)

Badger- You are Zeke Young! Despite being brutally carved out of your mother by Darlene and her henchmen, you survived. You bounce around caretakers based on the motives of the characters in the show several times. You are too young to understand much of what is going on now but will probably grow up with a messed up life. You are the innocent child. Your affiliation will be publicly revealed if you are still alive at the beginning of day phase 3. You win with the town. (Killed NP2)


Living Players:

Mikal
iLikePie5
Supadudz
ComputerNerd
Suigeneris
Mharman
Whiteflame
Greyparrot


With 8 players alived, it takes 5 votes to cause a lynch.

Day Phase 3 will end in 72 hours, or on Friday, February 5th, at 6PM EST. 


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Dead Players:

Earth- Jacob Snell- JOAT (Vigilante, Forensic Investigator, Bulletproof) - Town (Lynched DP1)

DD- You are Ruth Langmore. Ruth is probably the most enticing character on the show for multiple reasons. Ruth is strongly loyal, motivated, and strong. She will stand up for herself and say whatever she wants, often perceived as a very blunt person. However you can’t help but fall in love with her character as the show progresses, and her choices consistently reflect her morals and her attempt to change the Langmore name from that of being associated with petty criminals, to being a real part of the Ozark’s. Ruth shows her loyalty to anyone who does right by her and is fiercely protective of them. You are the bodyguard. Each night you may target a player. If that player was to be targeted for the night kill, you will instead die in their place. You win with the town. (Killed NP1)


Living Players:

Mikal
iLikePie5
Supadudz
Badger
ComputerNerd
Suigeneris
Mharman
Whiteflame
Greyparrot
Airmax122

With 10 players alived, it takes 6 votes to cause a lynch.

Day Phase 2 will end in 72 hours, or on Thursday, February 3rd, at 6AM EST. 

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Long story short, I have worked at a place that has made me miserable for years. I've had family members and friends telling me to quit and look for something new for years, and I never did because I felt like there was nothing I could get that paid better, and I was afraid of change. Well after like 4 months of stress and overtime, and literally everyone else at my job quitting, I finally put in some applications. First of all holy hell all here a ton of jobs right now, and suprisingly many were paying more for much less responsibility and require less overtime. I did get a new job, and its way better. I am now getting a 5 dollar pay raise for like 1 third of the stress and work. Tonight is my last night of my old job, and it feels awesome knowing after today I won't have to come to a place the makes me miserable lol.

So moral of the story is, don't let yourself get stuck doing something you hate. Don't be afraid of change. If your unhappy because of your job, make the move. Especially now, the job industry seems to be booming, at least where I live. 

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Welcome to Ozark Mafia! Usually I am more open about my mechanics, but for this game I will stay pretty tight lipped. There is a non-complex theme split and that's about the only information I will publicly reveal about this game. I won't answer questions about other setup things, like whether mafia were given fake claims, etc. I hope this game is balanced, I kind of threw it together over two nights so don't judge me too harshly if it falls flat.  My vote counts usually obtain random qoutes from whatever theme I am using, don't look into them, they aren't hints or anything, just fun theme spirit stuff. 

Living Players:

1. Mikal
2. iLikePie5
3. Supadudz
4. Badger
5. DD
6. Earth
7. ComputerNerd
8. Suigeneris
9. Mharman
10. Whiteflame
11. Greyparrot
12. Airmax122

With 12 players, it takes 7 votes to lynch. 

I am starting this game really early due to my graveyard schedule, so I will give day phase one a 6 hour extension making it a 78 hour long phase as opposed to a standard 72. I will be back on a normal shift starting next week and it will be much easier for me to keep track of vote counts and what not. 

Day Phase 1 ends on Monday, January 31st, at 9:30 AM CST. 

Good luck and have fun yall. 
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Theme is based on the popular show Ozark. Haven't designed the game yet but will work on it tonight and will give more details later. Please sign up!
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If airmax get's elected president, I have plans to kick start this website and enourage activity. With Airmax's help with outreach and marketing, I plan to help tackle the debate and voting side of things.

Debating current topics

My hope for this will be to organize a group of like minded debaters- people who love to debate and want to see our community grow. Then we are going to just blast out high quality debates on centralized topics around current issues, like vaccine mandates, rittenhouse trial, Biden presidential decisions, pulling out of Afghanistan, Racism issues, etc etc. The idea will be to get as many of these debates into the challenge period and accepted as fast as possible. A trial run of a good 10-15 debates (this maybe over zealous at first, but we can play it by ear) that can be ready to advertise across different sites. The more people we get on board with this idea the faster we can on track a new onslaught of debaters to this fabulous website. 

Voting improvements

Now voting is something I have always been passionate about. Getting people to debate is one thing, but expecting a half decent vote on your debate is another. This is something even DDO struggled with at times as well. On DDO I was part of several projects that had varying levels of success and would like to share some of the ideas that I have had in the past, and to what degree they have worked. I single handedly reformed how people voted on the website and was able to petition the mods to put enforce better guidelines with voting in general.
https://www.debate.org/forums/Debate.org/topic/83543#2364831 This thread resulting in a public vote being cast that ultimately reformed voting policies to require people to put in a significant effort.

My history with voting improvement

Judge voting. I created judge voting. Not even kidding. That nifty mechanic you can enable here, came from DDO. That function was literally only there because I pushed it hard with the site developers. It was one of the few changes I was able to enforce when I was president of the website. https://www.debate.org/forums/Debate.org/topic/40173#1458499

Votes of the week: https://www.debate.org/forums/Debate.org/topic/32406#1216541 A project headed by airmax that was used to congratulate good voting practices that I helped head and participate.

I also formed several succesful voting initiatives. Most of these voting groups I have put together or participated in the past usually had some incentive or reward attached.

In 2012 I created a voters competition, where the individual with the most votes on debates would win a playstation 4. Mikal won this, and is actually how I got to know him in the first place.

I also participated and organized the DDO Voters Union headed by Donald.Keller.

This was one of the most succesful voting campaigns I participated in DDO's history.

Here is an example of how many votes we were able to generate in June of 2017: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14YZG8iDwfC7rHMezIOIegavf7iWurUT-kvtagJaw3jc/edit?usp=sharing The grand total was 68. Keep in mind these are high quality debate votes, votes with in depth explanation, not just 7 point wins awarded. We sifted through eligble votes before counting them towards whatever the prize was for the month. 

We would post threads for users to post debates they wanted to get votes on. Any quality debate submitted usually recieved votes from someone in our union: https://www.debate.org/forums/debate.org/topic/84420/1/

Airmax and BOT hosted the Raisor Rubles incentive program for voting, which was also hugely succesful though I do not have the google documents to showcase the stats from this initiative any longer.


New Ideas

All of the above should show that I have a decent history organizing and forming succesful voting initiatives. I have had a lot of experience with this in the past. I have several new ideas for this website. My goal will be to take it slow. I realize this community doesn't yield the same numbers DDO once had. That's okay. Change is a coming, and we will first have to work on getting people here. That said, I have found what an active community wants the most rather than tangible rewards, was a way to guarantee votes on their own debates. Each project initiative had this perk. People who participated in these debate voting groups could usually rely on unbiased votes from others in the group as well. The overarching idea is to vote more than you debate, and incentivize voting through knowledge that it's a pay it forward type of system. The more votes you cast, the more likely you are to get votes on your own debates. I am working with airmax on several ideas for new voting initiatives as we speak.

The rest is on you the community. Please vote airmax1227 for this election. We can accomplish so much for the site if you just let us prove what we can do. We have had so much experience in this field. I know and have seen airmax perform wonders as president and mod on DDO, and I know he will accomplish that here too. I am not saying I am unwilling to put this type of effort in if 3RU7AL becomes president. I have to see his initiative, see that he generally cares about site promotion as he says he does first. I don't want these efforts to go in vain. I know airmax has the work ethic though to help see these initiatives through however which is why I strongly encourage you to vote for airmax1227 today. 

Thankyou. 
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This has been an eventful election process so far, and I have to say I am proud to say that a lot of activity has generated from this thing. Regardless of who wins here, the site will be better for having introduced this role for the community. 3RU7AL, Airmax, good luck to you both and thanks for running. As having been a former president of a debate site myself, I can say that the task of running is an arduous and messy one sometimes, but the end result is that both of you want to endeavor to further the community. Regardless of who wins here, I have hopes that both of you will do your best at achieving a better, more active DART. 

Good luck to both of you fine gentlemen. 
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This thread was correctly unlocked. 

As someone who has been a stark complainer of mods in the past, I would now like to take a moment to shout them out positively, as is only fair. Today the mods proved me wrong, and showed that they are willing to listen to reason. It was my impression in the past that when decisions were made, they would fight tooth and nail to stick to that decision.

The addition of whiteflame as head mod, and supadudz having more authority may have played the biggest role here, but I will give credit to ragnar in some regard too even though I know he stands by locking the thread, he at least caved to the better reasoning and rationale of his highly respected peers. There is hope for moderation on the website. There is still a long way to go in acheiving the laissez faire style that I know will bring activity and purpose to this website, but the decision they made today shows that they have every intention of meeting that goal. 

The community should remain vigilant in bringing up issues with moderation decisions, but we should also be fair and applaud them when they make the right decisions. 

Thankyou mod team of DART.


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I think most rational people understand RationalCrybaby's poor debate tactics. When logically defeated in a conversation he will do one of the following.

1. Not respond out of laziness
2. Hit you with a one liner and gaslight you
3. Put words in your mouth
4. Warp your argument from something it actually was
5. Block you and start reporting all of your posts

Some of these probably all fall under the category of gas lighting, but I digress. So why bother to keep responding to him? 

Well I attempted to speak academically towards him at first, you can tell my responses to him in my initial thread "Why you shouldn't vote for RationalMadman" were a bit more eloquent than they are now. It's because I realize the game he is playing. He simply does not respond to reason, this is all a manipulative way to bait airmax. Now the older debaters who know how RCB works and functions probably just rightfully roll their eyes at whatever RCB has to say. Generally I do too, there really is no point to engage him normally. But to the younger DART audience, who probably aren't as likely to read into context, and are more likely to get on board with confirmation bias, that is who RCB is appealing to. The more RM goes un responded to the more the younger kids here may look at it and go "that went without a response, that means RCB is right". Likely this crowd has already made up their mind about the election anyway. Anyone not voting airmax was never going to anyway, because they think he is too new (absolutely silly argument, considering his extremely active past on DDO, and immense amount of work put in). Regardless if people wanna stick to a narrative they will.

Airmax shouldn't respond to it. This feigned support RCB is giving to airmax is nothing more than a farce. Airmax has been cordial with all this adversity and RM is trying to bait a temper out of him by consistently gaslighting him and warping his argument. So I will be the lone person to confront and call out RCB's bullcrap. Let me be the one, so airmax doesn't have to be baited and manipulated by RCB like RCB does to many of the younger debaters. Airmax knows RCB's tactics and sees through him like a glass wall. 

It's not cowardice for airmax not to respond to RCB's vitriol, because RCB has an agenda. Airmax is more than willing to debate and engage professionally with any serious questions that people have about his campaign. Even if you want to argue with him about it. But he shouldn't be encouraged to respond to blatant manipulation, so I will be the one to do. 
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ilikepie5 loves restricted speech. Ilikepie5 supports RM for the DART 2021 election
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I know there are a lot of members of DART who are not entirely familiar with the user Airmax. Airmax has only played in a few games of mafia here, and hasn't been fully engaged on the site yet so he is definitely a new face to some of you.

But airmax has leadership experience on a Debating platform for literally 10+ years. The site that this site was inspired from (many of the current user base are veterans from it) is Debate.org. Debate.org was a fantastic website until the owners of the website (Juggle) became too inactive to remove the spam that was constantly flooding the forums, and most people moved elsewhere. For years, Airmax was the sole person deleting the spam in every forum. There were literally hundreds of spam bots posting every day. Keep in mind airmax was not being paid to do any of this, and hadn't heard from the site owners in a long time, he still kept the site alive by dumping hours of his personal time into deleting spam to keep our community alive as long as possible. 

I first joined debate.org when it was still debate.com, (roughly 2009) and the site was always thriving with activity. Around 2012, when Debate.org first held a presidential election (originally the role was designed to give moderator privileges and act as a role to communicate with developers, similar to what the role is here) airmax ran for president. He became the acting mod of the website and remains in that role to this day. Debate.org had one of the most active vibrant communites, and while occasionally some moderation action was taken, airmax's laissez-faire modding style was ultimately favored by the community. 

Now one thing I can personally attest to about airmax, and this is what I love about him, is that he will always respond to you intelligently, and logically explain any decision he makes. There was times when I had confronted him about taking action, or lack of action. There was never a time where airmax failed to address my concerns and properly explain an action. I never felt like airmax was doing something for the sake of doing it while he was a moderator. There was always reasons for his actions and he would explain them well. And this isn't a dig at current moderators, but there has been times when I have approached them with issues to either have them eventually stop responding, or the conclusion be "this is just the way it is".

Airmax does not roll that way. He deeply cares about the community, even people who are adverse to his decisions. I know this because I was a pain in his side for a long time. You can see this by the way he interacts with RM as well. It's not an act. It's no secret RM hates airmax and will use any method to dig at him. Even when he did it on Debate.org, airmax never responded less professionally than he did to RM in his campaign thread. This is just who airmax is at his core. He is a deeply caring person, who loves the community and everyone in it. He won't encourage ruthless bans to our moderators.

In fact all of our current moderators know him from Debate.org and have very good repor with him. There is no world I can see in which airmax is not able to help guide their actions through his wisdom and experience. Out of every political candidate here, airmax has the best ability to reach and communicate with our mod team. Whiteflame served as Chief vote mod for airmax on Debate.org, and ragnar was a long time friend of Airmax's as well on DDO. Supa also is extremely familiar with Airmax, both on DDO and in live mafia games that we used to frequently hold.

So now that we have established that Airmax has history doing this role, and doing a very good job at his role, I will explain why he is needed now more than ever.

Airmax cared about DDO so much that he was willing to purchase the website from them and start a gofundme in order to support the website and make it thrive. With airmax as president I can see many old debaters returning to the site, many who are aware of DART but do not wish to come here for various reasons, many having to do with over moderation. Airmax can bring this site to life. Hell I will help bring it to life, so will mikal if there is hope that moderation can return to the way it was on DDO. Airmax is that hope. I fully believe that he will put a lot of his free time into making this site alive. I won't say "revive" because this site has never been a pinnacle of activity. But with moderation reform I can see this site easily becoming as active as DDO was if not more active.

We have an amazing site developer in Mike, and active moderators. The site in some ways is better than DDO was functionally. We just need to reform the TOS and moderators ideas on how to enforce them. Airmax can make that happen.

Vote airmax in this election. He is the websites best hope at a lively and thriving community. He is what I base all moderation standards off of in any online community because he served in his role so well. We are priveleged to have him volunteer his time to do this for the website.

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I will start off by saying this is not an attempt to smear RationalMadman's character, or to hurt/ dig at him in the slightest. This is purely an argument, a very compelling one mind you, about why I think his campaign is damaging to the website as whole. 

First, what is the exact role of the president? What are we trying to accomplish here? Let's take it straight from the horses mouth shall we? 

"While not a moderating role, the President does retain limited powers with their position, including:
  • The ability to communicate within a moderation team chat (via Discord) in order to give input on all forms of daily decision-making. Except when completely untenable, the mod team will strive to ensure the President’s viewpoint is heard and honored.
  • The ability to approve or veto permanent ban propositions. Moderation will be required to submit permanent ban propositions to the President for review unless the user in question is a bot or advertising account, the situation is uniquely urgent or severe, the President is absent and/or unreasonably tardy, or the permanent ban proposition targets the President themselves. Vetos may be overridden by a simple majority vote among the moderation team. 
  • The ability to envision and execute community events, pending the approval and assistance of moderation."
A role that directly impacts how moderators function is pretty important. The first bullet point here talks about just a general ability to communicate with the mods. I suppose you have that same avenue through messages so no big whoop. But that second bullet point there, that's where this gets real. Having the ability to say "yes or no" to a ban is an absolutely insane thing to allow a member like rationalmadman to do, especially when given his statements in his campaign thread. 

"As somebody who both personally and, by observing others, has both felt and seen the impacts of harassment, I would use any sway I had as president to push the mods to respect and notice interactions that drive people off of the website or alternatively drive them to act more hostile.
There is this idea that 'special snowflakes' should just suck it up and toughen up but this is a website we use to pass the time with many intellectuals on it who have unique sensitivities and often were bullied IRL and teased for their odd ways. It's not an ordinary person who comes to a debate website, that just isn't the niche market this goes for."

RationalMadman has a mentality towards "bullies" that is absolutely insane by the way. I tried having a discussion with rationalmadman some months back about the movie "Borat" where I was told by RM that the actor who played Borat (Sacha Baron Cohen) was a bully, and a horrible person because he pulls public pranks at others expenses and doesn't inform them of the prank (obviously that would undermine the very idea of the prank). In having a conversation with him about this and trying to get him to see how absurd the idea that this guy is the anti-christ because of a prank, RationalMadman proceeded to lump me into the same "evil person" category and subsequenty blocked me and left the discord. I was flabbergasted by this. I was honestly attempting to debate and discuss an issue with him, and was called a bully and blocked.

This is just one example of many on this website where RationalMadman gets carried away with the use of the term "bully".


Here is an example of RM being bullied because someone dislikes an anime character he likes. 

But it's important to understand his worldview of bullying. If he views something as offensive, and you dis-agree with him that said thing is offensive, you are automatically to be silenced, or cancelled. He is cancel culture personified. Cancel culture and people who view the world through a "right to be offended by everything lens" is the problem with society. Comedians can't tell a joke without offending someone. You can't make a star wars or ghost buster movie with out a strong powerful female lead or you are a misogynist. The same rhetoric we see every day is caused by people with the same world view as RationalMadman.

This all becomes extremely important when you realize how much this role actually has to do with moderation. Overt moderation has already been a problem on this site from the beginning of this websites birth. I've made multiple threads explaining why this is so over the past few years, and its really the only issue I see that prevents this site from growing. Now wylted is also someone I actively campaigned against on DDO when he ran last, however DDO has very different circumstances than DART has with moderation. Moderation of DDO (Airmax) was very laissez faire style. Moderation was not DDO's issue at the time. Moderation is however DART's only issue. How can we have an active thriving community when our most vocal members that encourage debate and discourse are constantly being banned or in fear of being banned because someone else has the right to feel offended by something that was said? 

If we never discuss or debate controversial issues, ingorance will remain and persist. The only way to triumph over inorance is to prove ignorance wrong. You may not change the mind of the ignoramus themselves, but by wining a debate against them you are proving to the world that you provided the better argument. People who may be leaning on the side of the ignorant party are more likely to look upon your debate or discussion and be convinced by your side if you debated well. Silencing people does not do this. Silencing people and over punishing people for offensive opinions is the EXACT opposite of what should be encouraged on a website that brags to be about debate.

Now if you feel offended by something, you have a very nifty block tool. Personally speaking, blocking is a weak move for a "debater" but in circumstances where you feel someone is going out of there way to harass you in a real way, blocking is the perfect tool to combat that. Why should we need any more moderation than involved than that? Can we simply choose not to avoid interacting with or viewing a persons posts we find distasteful? 

My point is this: The risk to voting rationalmadman is that he can veto moderation decisions even in cases where more leniency could be an option. And you can bet your ass that he will, because RM has actively advocated heavier bans and punishments from the mods in almost every situation excluding the ban of himself. Call it narccissistic if you want. Call it what it is. 

But the harm to voting wylted? Virtually doesn't exist. Wylted is all about freedom of speech. The dude has said some of the more controversial things on the site. Whether his motives are secretly to "stir the pot" or to actually cause discussion or discourse are not for us to decide. We should be encouraging people however to respond the things like that logically if we are to call this a debate site. We have our own tools to block those that offend us and ignore them.

So in the end, there is massive harm potential from RationalMadman as president VS wylted in regards to the position and its pull on moderation. Anyone can host a debate tournament of their own time. I am all for community engangement, but at the cost of freedom of speech it's simply not worth having RM as president for a little debate tournament. I have theories that this move for president has more narcissistic motivators for both parties than it does for actual community development, so if this is a "pick a lesser of two evils situation" than voting for Wylted is definitely the move here based on the actual harm RationalMadman can actually cause to this community and people who take this website serious enough past the age of 16. 


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Drlebronski- Louis CK- Vanilla- Town (Lynched DP1)

iLikePie5- ????- ????- ???? (Killed NP1)

Speedrace- George Carlin - Jailkeeper- Mafia(Lynched DP2)

Wylted- Dave Chappelle- Tracker- Town (Killed NP2)

Evilgenius- You are Bill Cosby! You are a comedian from the 80’s who was pretty family friendly and was widely known. You even had your own television show called “The Cosby Show”. However after being arrested in 2015 after multiple allegations of sexual assault arose, you quickly were cancelled, and will probably never do comedy again. You are thus vanilla, and may use your voice and your vote to contribute to the game. You win with the town. (Lynched DP3)

No one died in the night.

Living Players

1. Whiteflame
2. Polyglot 
3. Supadudz
4. greyparrot

With 4 players it takes 3 votes to achieve a lynch!

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Drlebronski- You are Louis CK! Louis CK was an amazing comedian, arguably one of the best since Carlin. Your humor, while often self deprecating, was relatable and absolutely hilarious. However after the media broke out with a story about you masterbating in front of women privately, you basically dis-appeared from the world and had a movie you were directing get cancelled.You have had minor appearances since then for local comedy clubs but will likely never be as big as you once were. You are a vanilla town member and can contribute with your voice and your vote. (Lynched DP1)

iLikePie5- ????- ????- ???? (Killed NP1)

Speedrace- You are George Carlin. Carlin was one of the greats in comedy. He wasn’t afraid to speak his mind both politically and philosophically during a comedy set. Even if the audience was completely silent during one of his rants, he never let it bother him, and never skipped a beat. He had a magical way of captivating his audience despite talking about things that were very controversial, in a time where most comedians were still using slap-stick humor. Carlin was a gem in his time, and when he passed, there was no replacing him. Unfortunately there are very few comedians as raw and authentic these days as Carlin was. Though many try to follow in his footsteps, we will never have another like him. You are the 1x Janitor. One time in the game you can janitor a player. You will receive their character and role, but it will be hidden from the rest of the town in the graveyard. Just like Carlin, that player will not be replaceable. You win with the mafia. (Lynched DP2)

Wylted- You are Dave Chappelle! Dave Chappelle has been around for a while, even had his own T.V. show. After a long Hiatus, he returned with a banger Netflix special that put him back into relevancy. Chappelle is constantly tracking what’s going on in the news, politics, and social issues and isn’t afraid to talk about hot button issues. Because you keep track of what’s going on in the world and aren’t just absorbed into the comedy scene, you are the tracker! Each night you can track a player to see who they visit. You win with the town. (Killed NP2)

Living Players

1. Whiteflame
2. Polyglot 
3. Supadudz
4. Evilgenius
5. greyparrot

With 5 players it takes 3 votes to achieve a lynch!

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Drlebronski- You are Louis CK! Louis CK was an amazing comedian, arguably one of the best since Carlin. Your humor, while often self deprecating, was relatable and absolutely hilarious. However after the media broke out with a story about you masterbating in front of women privately, you basically dis-appeared from the world and had a movie you were directing get cancelled.You have had minor appearances since then for local comedy clubs but will likely never be as big as you once were. You are a vanilla town member and can contribute with your voice and your vote. (Lynched DP1)

iLikePie5- ????- ????- ???? (Killed NP1)


Living Players

1. Whiteflame
2. Speedrace
3. Polyglot 
4. Supadudz
5. Wylted 
6. Evilgenius
7. greyparrot

With 7 players it takes 4 votes to achieve a lynch!

Whiteflame is innocent.

Day phase  2 will end 9/7/21 @  9:30 AM CST. 

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Since the other game is still going for some reason, and looks like will probably last at least another 24 hours or so,I don't see why we can't go ahead and start so everyone who is dead in the other game doesn't have to wait an absurdly long time for no reason.

Standard rules apply. I won't answer questions that contain hypotheticals about how a role would or could work. I will gladly answer questions in your own role pm about your own role though. Theme split isn't a major aspect of this. There is a theme split, and i'll leave it up to you if you want to figure it out. While I don't think it is neccesarily a tough one, it is kind of abstract. 

As I said in the sign ups this is a simple 2 v 7 game, no third parties included. Mafia were not given fake claims. Good luck and have fun!

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2. Speedrace
3. iLikePie5
4. drlebronski
5. Polyglot 
6. Supadudz
7. Wylted 
8. Evilgenius
9. greyparrot

With 9 players it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch!

I will give dp1 84 instead of 72 hours, since a couple of the players may be pre-occupied with the last day phase of poly's game. 

Day phase will end saturday at 5:30 am CST. 
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This will be a 9 player game. The game is specifically designed around that player count, so I cannot adapt for more or less. So hopefully this fills up. 

2 mafia vs 7 town. No fake claims will be given as this is a broad theme with thousands of fake claim options. There will be a theme split, mafia will be unaware of that split. I think it's a relatively easy theme split, not overly complicated. 

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As someone whose old DDO account "TUF" was literally made in honor of the show, I'd say I am a pretty big fan of it. There was no cooler feeling then watching Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar throw hands in the season 1 finale. I don't know about you guys, but I feel like the UFC as an organization doesn't put a big enough spotlight on the show. Edson Barboza is a great fighter, but tbh I am not watching the fights tonight for him. I am going to watch it because I saw Ricky Turcios, Brady Hiestand, Bryan Battle, and Tresean Gore battle their asses off over the last couple months on TUF season 29. I feel like I've seen very little advertising or hype over this event though, and I feel like the UFC misses out big time by not promoting the TUF finale's like they used to. Which feels wierd to me, considering how many UFC champs have come from being contestants on the show, hell Kamaru Usman was a TUF fighter. I had no idea Tresean Gore wasn't going to be fighting this weekend, for eample until I google'd it last week. I have all the MMA news apps, and none of them headlined his knee injury. That's literally insane, because there wasn't a fight I wanted to see more than Bryan Battle and Tresean Gore. Like WTF UFC?! 

Why put all that time, money and effort into the show just to put like 0 effort into advertising your TUF finale's? Not to sound like a boomer, but "Back in my day" TUF finales got just as much hype as the major UFC events. Hell, they were major UFC events. I have friends who are barely aware or interested in TUF anymore. I feel like that's a culmination of the show just not being a major focus of the UFC's marketing team, and I don't actually know why they are letting something that could be a big cash cow go to waste like that. 

That said, I am excited to see the fights this weekend.

My prediction is Battle wins Gurbina, Turcios wins Hiestand based on the fights on the show. Actually really happy to see Gillmore fight Petroski, since both lost to submissions on the show and didn't get to showcase their skills. Also Gillmore seems excited to be there, and given how easily he dropped everything to be a replacement on the show he definitely deserves this. I am sure that's why Dana put him on the card. I don't really have a prediction for this fight, but am interested nonetheless. 

No money really to be made from this card unfortunately, so probably won't be betting. The guys I think are likely to win are already vegas favorites lol. 


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Who is interested in coming? Want to get a head count for mike, who said he will show up if we can get like 8 or 9
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After that impressive win over Derrick Lewis last night, I think fans are more excited than ever to see these two go at it. How do you see this fight going? It's been almost 3 years since Ngannou has had a fight go past round 1 or 2, does it matter after seeing Ciryl Gane looking fresh af in the third round after TKO'ing Lewis? Is the Muy Thai, the crazy conditioning and atheletism Gane have enough to take out Ngannou? 


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Anyone watching this fight tonight? Who do you have picked to win?

Personally I think Hall has it. I bet a bit of money on him. Here's hoping!!
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Winners: Mafia (Whiteflame and Supadudz)


GG's to all who played. Whiteflame and supa worked really well together and made a high risk high reward play with using the redirector on lebron instead of blocking him. if he had tracked white or supa it would have worked against them. 

Everyone did very well, was a pleasure to mod. 
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Earth- Junie Browning- Vanilla- Town (Lynched DP1)

MisterChris- Chris Leben- Ghost- Town (Killed NP1)

iLikePie5- Nate Diaz- Cop- Town (Killed NP2)


You are Kamaru Usman. In The Ultimate Fighter season 21, Kamaru Usman from American Top Team Confronted Sabah Homasi when he heard that Homasi was complaining about Usman holding the cage in his previous fight. Usman denied holding the cage and looked like a pretty big idiot when the footage was released of the fight, as it showed him clearly holding the cage and being called out for it by not only the ref, but half the onlookers of the fight. You are the Miller, and will appear guilty to investigations. You are a town member that wins with the town. (Lynched DP3)

Oromagi-

You are Julian Lane, one of The Ultimate Fighter’s most Iconic “bad guys”. Despite taking first round losses in two different seasons, you managed to make it on cameras both times by making an absolute ass of yourself. The words “Let me bang bro” made you a meme after an emotional drunken frenzy resulted in you confronting two house members in season 16 with Dom Waters and Matt Secor. Then in the season 25 “redemption” season you threw a bottle at an opposing team member which resulted in an alcohol invoked an alcohol infused fury in the house. Despite being absolute shit at MMA, you always end up making yourself known. You are the innocent child. If you survive to day phase 3 you will be revealed innocent to the town. You are a town member. (Killed NP4)



Living Players

Whiteflame
drlebronksi
greyparrot
Supa
Wylted


With 5 players, it takes 3 votes to lynch. Day phase 4 will be 72 hours long. Good luck folks! The Day Phase ends on 7/29/21 @ 2 pm CST.




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Earth- Junie Browning- Vanilla- Town (Lynched DP1)

MisterChris- Chris Leben- Ghost- Town (Killed NP1)


You are Nate Diaz, a guy who was raised street hard and made a name for himself in the MMA world by showing his skills off on The Ultimate Fighter season 5. During the season you proved yourself a badass not only through finishing every single fight with knockouts or submissions, but you also showed you weren’t weak in the house. You had several altercations on the show, but one in particular was pretty funny when you found a message on the wall that said “Suck it
 team Pulver” and proceeded to call out everyone in the house to investigate who was responsible. You are the Cop. You can investigate a player to see if they are innocent or guilty. You are aligned with those that win with the town. (Killed NP2)

Living Players

Whiteflame
drlebronksi
greyparrot
Supa
Wylted
Polyglot 
Oromagi

With 7 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch. Day phase 3 will be 72 hours long. Good luck folks! The Day Phase ends on 7/28/21 @ 7 pm CST.

Oromagi is innocent.

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You are Junie Browning, a fighter who participated in season 8 of the ultimate fighter. You were the ultimate jackass of this season, despite being Frank Mir’s first pick. You demonstrated a complete lack of being able to control yourself with alcohol, starting fights with several individuals including a couple heavyweights, you crazy mother fucker. Even sober you were a pretty big dick to people. Watching Efrain Escudero beat you in the semi finals was one of the most satisfying moments in the season. In the end Junie turned out to be nothing more than a yipping loud chihuahua who couldn’t back it up. You are a vanilla town member. (Lynched Day Phase 1)


You are Chris Leben, the first bully TUF ever saw in the season 1 premiere. You were a drunken asshat, and a sober asshat, and became notoriously famous for peeing on Jason Thacker’s bed for being “such a retard”. You were a dick for the whole season and even ended up being brought back  after being sent home by Dana White (most likely for ratings). You are the Ghost! If you die, you may continue to talk and participate, however you will not be able to vote nor will you count as a living player. You are affiliated with the town.

Living Players

Whiteflame
drlebronksi
greyparrot
Supa
Wylted
iLikePie5
Polyglot 
Oromagi

With 8 players, it takes 5 votes to lynch. Day phase 2 will be 72 hours long. Good luck folks! The Day Phase ends on 7/28/21 @ 10 AM CST. As per MisterChris'es role he may talk and participate for the remainder of the game as long as it doesn't get trolly. 


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Welcome to day phase 1 of my game called TUF Villains!

There are no third parties in this game. The setup will be 2 mafia vs 8 town. Mafia were not provided with fake claims nor do they know the theme split. I will once again be open that in my opinion, this is not a complex theme split. While I don't like games being broken by theme, I feel like too many mods over complicate the theme split or provide mafia with fake claims so often that theme can often be irrelevant. I want it to be a tool for those who want to invest the effort in to help them, but at the end of the day the game is always more about behavior. 

Good luck to both teams!

DP1 will have regular lynching mechanics. However after dp2 and onward Plurality Lynching will be in effect. A no lynch can still be voted on, but if a no lynch isn't voted on then the player with the most votes on them will be automatically lynched upon a phase expiring. This mechanic should encourage activity in the town. If you are inactive you punish your own team by doing so.

Living Players

Whiteflame
drlebronksi
greyparrot
Supa
Earth
Wylted
iLikePie5
Polyglot 
MisterChris
Oromagi

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Day phase 1 will be 72 hours long. Good luck folks! The Day Phase ends on 7/26/21 @ 5PM CST.



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Welcome to my game "The Ultimate Fighter Villains"!

This was a show up I grew up watching, being a huge UFC fan since I was 16. Dana White (the CEO of UFC) created this show as a competition for up and comers to prove their worth in a bracket style MMA competition. The winner of the competition earns a 6 figure UFC contract, and the coaches of both teams fight at the end of the show. The show was popularized during the surge of reality TV shows. All events that happen are real on the show, and with a bunch of testerone filled MMA fighters, the show runners knew there was bound to be drama. We are now 29 seasons into the show.

This theme was the basis of my DDO username, and it's long overdue for me to do a theme related to this. That said I do like to make my games friendly to people who aren't familiar with my themes. The theme split in this game will not be complicated. Mafia will be given no fake claims either. I want to start my games in a direction that encourages some theme research, and with non complex theme splits I think it isn't too damaging. 

By villains, I mean "people who were controversial or deemed to be bullies in the competition". 

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Hi, I am making this forum in hopes that (was it Michael?) the owner of the website can see this and answer some questions. 

I think you have a great idea with the website, and the patreon is also a good idea. I have donated myself a few times to the patreon, but have stopped because it seems like the sole purpose of the patreon is to just float hosting costs. How interested would you be in making useful updates to the website based on member suggestions? If this was the case I would be a lot more willing to donate more consistently to the site if I thought something was being done to improve the site rather than just maintain it's existence. I can't speak for others but I'd guess you would get more people willing to donate to the patreon. 

One update I would like to see and feel like wouldn't be crazy expensive or hard to implement would be group messages, among other things.

Anyways, I just wanted to put it out there that I think you could probably not only make money for server costs but also make a little extra on the side if you were to implement community suggestions once in a while with the patreon page. Let me know what you think. 
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I am here visiting with some friends. Any "must see" or "do" things we should check out while we are here?

We saw the 9/11 museum and are going to a boston comedy club tonight and tried new york pizza. Those were the things I had on my bucket list but now we got a couple more days to kill so any recommendations would be appreciated!
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Mafia wins!

Greyparrot was the last one standing.

Theme split was Bachman books vs King books. Pie figured it out, but Mike quick hammered himsel before he could out the information.


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MisterChris- IT- Odd DP Popular- Town (Lynched DP1)

Elminster- Regulators- Roleblocker- Mafia (Lynched DP2)

iLikePie5Doctor Sleep- Doctor- Town (Killed NP2)

Speedrace- The Shining- 1x Amnesiac- Town  (Lynched DP3)

Supadudz- You are Rose Madder! “I’m really Rosie! And I’m Rosie real! You better believe me, because I am a great big deal!” This book is about a woman who escapes her abusive husband and starts a new life. You are the hider! Each night you may choose a person to hide behind. If that person is targeted for the night kill you will die to. Otherwise you will be unaffected by night actions. You win with the town. (Lynched DP4)

Bullish- You are Misery! This book is about an ex nurse, who kidnaps her favorite author whilst pretending to help him. Annie Wilkes is soon found out to be psychotic and ends up helping and harming her patient equally. You are the Jailkeeper! Each night you can protect a player. Protecting them will also roleblock them in the night phase. You win with the town. (Killed NP4)


Living Players

1. Earth
2. Whiteflame 
3. Greyparrot


With 3 players, it takes 2 votes to lynch!

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MisterChris- IT- Odd DP Popular- Town (Lynched DP1)

Elminster- Regulators- Roleblocker- Mafia (Lynched DP2)

iLikePie5- Doctor Sleep- Doctor- Town (Killed NP2)

Speedrace- You are The Shining, easily one of King’s most known books. This book is honestly pretty terrifying, and has one of the scariest scenes I’ve ever read when Danny enters a tunnel in a frozen playground. Since the hotel basically possesses people, you are the 1x amnesiac. You may select a person in the graveyard and inherit their role. You win with the town. (Lynched DP3)

Living Players

1. Earth
2. Whiteflame 
3. Greyparrot
4. Supadudz
5. Bullish

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MisterChris- You are It! An evil clown haunts a small town called “Derry” and kills children every 27 years. At least until a brave group of children finally stand up against Pennywise.This long and exciting novel is easily one of King’s most popular novels. You are the odd day popular townie. On odd day phases you require one extra vote to lynch. You win with the town. (Lynched Day Phase 1)

Elminster- You are the Regulators! This is an intense and rather crazy book filled with constant death and a feeling of inescapable relentlessness from a murderous bunch roaming a previously peaceful neighborhood and mowing down the residents in drive by’s from differently colored vans. It is later revealed that the occurrences are happening from the mind of a young boy named who’s been possessed by a demon named Tak. Tak uses Seth’s favorite T.V. Show “The Regulators” to his advantage by creating real life MotoKops to kill the innocents anytime they attempt to leave their home. You are the Roleblocker, and can prevent a player from using their role each night. You win with the mafia. (Lynched DP2)

iLikePie5- You are Doctor Sleep! This movie is about a nurse with a dark past who helps the elderly pass peacefully. He befriends a young girl named Abra through telepathic powers and assists her in escaping some life sucking vampires called the “True Knot”. You are the doctor, and can protect a person from dying in the night phase. You win with the town. (Killed NP2)

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1. Earth
2. Whiteflame 
3. Greyparrot
4. Supadudz
5. Speedrace
6. Bullish

With 6 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch!

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MisterChris- You are It! An evil clown haunts a small town called “Derry” and kills children every 27 years. At least until a brave group of children finally stand up against Pennywise.This long and exciting novel is easily one of King’s most popular novels. You are the odd day popular townie. On odd day phases you require one extra vote to lynch. You win with the town. (Lynched Day Phase 1)

Living Players

1. iLikePie5
2. Earth
3. Whiteflame 
4. Greyparrot
5. Supadudz
6. Speedrace
7. Bullish
8. Elminster



With 8 players, it takes 5 votes to lynch!

Day Phase ends in 3 days. DP ends at 5/10/21 at 2 pm CST)

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8. Bullish
9. Elminster

With 9 players, it takes 5 votes to lynch!

Day Phase ends in 3 days (timer starts tomorrow morning at 10am CST). DP ends at 5/10/21 at 10am CST)
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Welcome to Stephen King Universe Mafia!

Characters are different books themselves written by stephen king, not the characters within the books. 

I'll shorten numbers if we can't fill nine. No fake claims will be given, since there are like 60+ King books, mafia should have a big pool of books to try and fake claim from. There will be a theme split, mafia won't be told what it is.

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I know Wylted has always been controversial, and a bit trollish. Dude probably has a bunch of mental issues as well, and I've seen him being offensive. I could almost buy many of the other reasons to ban wylted temporarily (within context to how strict moderators here are, and I've come to accept that isn't going to change). Misterchris said he did something unforgivable, and I got it from warren that he "catfished" a 14 year old or something. That sounds bad on paper, until iLikePie just linked me to the thread. Not only was he clearly non-serious, he was acting like a 13 year to make a point. There was nothing pedophiley about that exchange unless you were already looking for an excuse to ban him again, which, let's be honest, you probably were. If you get on the mods bad side, it seems like they will take any excuse to ban you lol. To be clear I thought the allegations against bsh1 for pedophilia were pretty dumb as well, but I bet most the mods here took bsh's side on that one too lol. 

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7 Players, 24 hour Day phases, 6 hour Night Phases.  Just to fill the time til Warren realizes it's his turn (I messaged him on discord already).

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Been binge reading since the pandemic started, read 23 books since march of last year to now.


It's been a lot of fun reading Stephen King, and I plan on eventually reading all of his books. Sanderson as well. 
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