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If supa flips town in gonna be nore suspicious of speed. His non voting of supa while admitting his behavior is scummy is similiar to what Warren was doing in virts game. Hes trying to distance himself from the lynch because he thinks it will make him look good. A strategy speed also used as scum in the office, might I remind you.
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@Speedrace
Where?
It's like people don't know what reaction testing is anymore?
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NOW he's acting scummy. I still don't understand why you scum read him for the thing on drafter, it made perfect sense.
I don't know why everyone is acting like they are unfamiliar with RVS votes all of a sudden. He literally did the same thing as town in Virt's game.
My problem is that Supa cracks under pressure, and I think this is just is regular irregular town behavior. Besides, he would've done a gambit by now 🙃
I can buy that he could be town, but I don't think it should give him an out. Also it's general consensus we should lynch today, we need to thin the herd and make POE better for later day phases, a mis-lynch won't be the worst thing in the world. Though I genuinely think his behavior indicates scum motives, and am confident with the lynch regardless.
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That isn't DART Meta. People do those random stuff all the time
Everything DART is, is also DDO. The whole website is basically a copy of DDO. Meta's may have changed due to different people, but I've played in a few games now, and if anything I've noticed people adhering to meta's the don't fully understand simply because they think it's status quo.
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That's fine. You also said you were gonna advocate my lynch in virt's game if I was wrong about greyparrot, but that didn't happen either, and I was town vig so you would have been wrong anyway.“Take chances, make mistakes. That's how you grow.” - Mary Tyler Moore
That is devoid of logic as well. You said you strongly support 1 v 1's in that game, but if you never uphold them then you have to admit there's little value in doing them.
I like conditional 1v1 lynches because it can limit a scum pool and narrow scum with the right logic and thinking
Except for in cases like Dark Crystal mafia DP3 when both you and speed race were both town and gunning for each other.
He gave an example from his mafia game where he was scum, not as town. His RVS's in the town games are legit RVS's. This time it was a serious conducted vote he made based on reason. His true RVS was on DP1
Drafter always RVS's. Post 22 of virt's game: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3311/virts-mafia-night-1
He was town.
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@Speedrace
Now he's reversing his engineered "town read" on me. I don't care if you agree with him on some points, but I think you have to admit there's truth to the fact that his reads are engineered and not authentic. Even if town, he's using his reads to manipulate the way someone feels about voting for or against him. His read on drafter got stronger after drafter said he was starting to suspect supa's thought proccesses more, and he changed his already pretty contrived town read on me to a null, simply because I haven't backed off.
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@Vader
Piggybacking? All the arguments I have against you are my own. If anything he might be about to piggy back off of me. Literally nothing I've said or done has indicated a change in my behavior, unless you think me strengthening my scum read of you is a significant change. You are literally proving how contrived your "read" is to me right now. It's entire point was to manipulate me off of you, and now you are using it in reverse, trying to threaten me out of your town read lol.I town read you because I felt your original reactions were townish. Now you are piggybacking off drafter and that makes me null
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Randomly voting someone and not giving a reason is a horrible way to RVS, gives the user nothing to respond to. Saying it's a gut read gives something else for the person to respond to. Water acted fairly normally, however if he had flipped out and OMGUS's drafter, I would say that would have been more of a scum tell.If you think his vote is RVS the clearly you haven't been reading. He literally voted WP just because he had a gut feeling. A RVS is oromagi random VTLing me
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Then why are you being non-committal about scum reading him? If you think he is doing something differently then he does as town that should indicate he is scum right? (btw I don't agree that he is acting differently, and he did prove how he wasn't, I am just making a point because you are also at the same time trying to play it off as a cop out defense that you don't full on scum read him when this has been the crux of the argument from your DP1 posts).I am still seeing his direction and he has given me nothing. At this point I think drafter is scum, and if he turns scum, I would advocate for your lynch too
That's fine. You also said you were gonna advocate my lynch in virt's game if I was wrong about greyparrot, but that didn't happen either, and I was town vig so you would have been wrong anyway. These conditional lynches you seem to always propose are devoid of logic. Also glad your finally being commital about drafter. What changed about his behavior from when you argued it was a slight fos to a scum read? All he did was prove how his behavior was similar in town games lol.
His water vote has been your sole focus of the day phase up until you started defending yourself. If you don't actually scum read him for that, then why are you contriving and FOS?An FOS is something to take into consideration when scum reading someone. The More FOS's for an area = the more chance of being scummy. His other things he did in the DP are now convincing me he is scum
What "other" things? lol
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I don't fucking understand why me questioning the logic behind a SERIOUS VOTE of "gut feeling" is causing Lunatic to scum read me on this when in DP1 our main objective is to try to look for clues into who could be scum
Because you aren't listening to anything I have said I guess. I explained thoroughly why I find your suspecting a common RVS vote is scummy.
Lunatic. you are screwing the town up.
Because I am voting for you? I am currently the only vote on you. Also even if you are town how am I "screwing" up the town? All I have to go on is behavior, there's no theme or characters, and I happen to find your behavior pretty scummy. If it's a mis-lynch, that's a shame. But truth be told it thins the herd a little, which is pro-town for a game like this. Town's best bet is in MYLO/LYLO with these type of games, just like with virt's game.
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@Speedrace
Even if you agree with him about the FOS=/= scum read thing, you have to look at everything in context.
He town read me (providing no reasons for it) as what I suspect is a manipulation attempt to soften my read on him. Why would he town read me for simply being suspicious of his vote? Why is he continuously bringing up drafter's water vote while also trying to say he doesn't suspect him and this is only a minor read? If it's his sole focus for the day phase and continuously is going to bring up how he is playing differently then how he does as town, why wouldn't he be serious and commit to a vote? We only have less than 5 hours left of the phase.
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which ref to me not responding?
dafuq?
Your OMGUS is assuming
Drafter isn't OMGUS'ing you. He hasn't even voted you, he just said he was starting to lean scum on you. Also it isn't OMGUS if he actually has a valid reason behind the the suspicion, which he does. OMGUS is reactionary rage at being voted and trying to intimidate the voter off of you.
I never said that drafter is scum, I had an FOS on him but not a scum tell. I did not see him as scum, but I was sus
His water vote has been your sole focus of the day phase up until you started defending yourself. If you don't actually scum read him for that, then why are you contriving and FOS?
People are fucking stupid.
lol
He had a legit vote and said his Water vote is gut feeling. Differentiating what he normally plays where he tries to dig behavior out of people
Then why are you being non-committal about scum reading him? If you think he is doing something differently then he does as town that should indicate he is scum right? (btw I don't agree that he is acting differently, and he did prove how he wasn't, I am just making a point because you are also at the same time trying to play it off as a cop out defense that you don't full on scum read him when this has been the crux of the argument from your DP1 posts).
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BTW, I fully intend to lynch supadudz, and am not removing my vote. I find his reactions to the drafter vote very scummy. Combined with him being non-committal following speedraces comments about FOS=/=Scum reading, it looks like he is trying use that read as a cop out of the read. And the town read on me is scummy, if you didn't read my post responding to him.
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Where is the nature. You can't just legit vote someone and just say "bc I feel like they are scum." That isn't how drafterman plays, that is how scum drafterman plays
RVS votes are excluded from logic. Look up any game from FourTrouble. He starts every game with an un-explained vote to generate pressure and get a reaction. A lot of people were doing that before FT but he's the best example of someone who always used it.
Lunatic is town imo
I actually find this even more suspicious. It's a good way as scum to try and soften the pressure on you, by town reading the person suspecting you. It's what you do when you don't want to be called out for OMGUS. In reality, there is not much to town read me for, especially in context to your position on my calling you out for your bad logic.
I don't like his reasoning though bc it's god awful
Who, mine? You don't like it because it shows you tunneled in on something extremely minor, and makes you look scummy.
A finger of suspicion means you suspect them. If 7 people are interrogated with murder, that doesn't mean they look like they did.
Sounds like semantics to me. You clearly think there is something off about drafter's water vote, because it's the only thing you've talked about this day phase. You being non-committal about it only makes me read you scummier.
He claimed it serious! What nature is there?
RVS votes are serious. They are a serious attempt to garner a reaction out of the receiver. In that I feel like drafter was successful, though his intended target was water, we found the shady behavior from you instead.
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@Zaradi
He did 7 episode then stopped because Mikal started doing his "IDGAF" interview show which was also pretty popular.
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@Vader
reaction testing, activity creation.. There's usually very little to go off of in games like these.
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Because both you and supa should understand the nature of drafter's vote. It's not mind reading either, not when votes of this type are seen in literally every game.Supa slight scum reading drafter for casting a self claimed serious vote on water with only a gut feeling after TWO MESSAGES is scummy? How?
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@Zaradi
Nah dude you misremember. There was like 15 episodes haha. If it died it was because he stopped doing it, not lack of interest.
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Also, remember we have plurality lynching on, so at the end of the dp, make sure to remove a vote you unless you are committed to believing the individual you are voting is scum.
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I think this game should be handled similar to virts. Since there is very limited info about theme, and likely few power roles, the game will probably have to be in MYLO/LYLO stages for us to really get anywhere. Taking the theme out of these guys makes these games a bit dull, I sympathize with pie.
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@blamonkey
I suppose so. Might be more fun if there was like a specific theme? Maybe interview members weekly? Philochristo did that on DDO and it was pretty popular.
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@irontoaster
I should have recognized your username, I believe that was your battlenet tag when we tried to play diablo 3 a long ass time ago.
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Does it matter? The fact that he's making it into a scum read at all is what I find scummy.FOS might be a SLIGHT scum read but not a whole one
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@Zaradi
Stop being coy! What do you meanI like you Connor. So I'm not gonna get offended by the implications of that sentence.
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@Zaradi
Playing a game once in a while doesn't make you a gamer. I think I played insurgency with you and Tim a while back, but that's about all the gaming I remember from you.
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If I am pointing a finger of suspicion at someone, I think it's safe to say I read them as scummy.
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@Speedrace
Seems like he is making a chicken out of a feather to me. There are a lot of odd votes cast in the early stages of games, seems kind of weird he is making a big deal out of this one.He literally said it's FOS not a scum read, and it's completely reasonable...
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@Vader
I feel like it would be easy to run out of things to talk about.
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Supa's scum read on drafter's water vote is not only ridiculous, but also scummy.
VTL supadudz
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@drafterman
LMAO I made my other post before seeing this. HEAR HEAR!I never understood the need to unvote first. Your vote is just where the last put it.
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@PressF4Respect
JUST AS A FRIENDLY REMINDER:If you wish to change your vote, don't forget to UNVOTE (in bold) first!
For the record, I hate it when mods are this nitpicky. If it's obvious someone is moving their vote, don't make things more complicated by forcing an unvote first, ffs.
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Fuck this POS song. Fuck it so hard. Okay max this is your challenge: https://youtu.be/lx88c1y4z1U
I may try and to a better version
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Radioactive: https://youtu.be/2PGEo4TXHBU
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New version of we wonr be alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY6EJ3tcVb4
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GG. Also normally with 4 players left it takes 3 for majority, but regardless, GG
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Machine first try one expert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hvRPMcGMVI
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@David
I also think moderation does a good job, from what I have seen. I think this is the only case I have seen where I have really had to scratch my head on why the ban was so lengthy. Regardless, I believe virt is the one responsible for the ban, so he is who I am most looking forward to seeing respond to this.
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@Barney
Lmao is he really defending that as a vote? Case closed guys. Rationalmadman is more of a lunatic then myself.
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@ILikePie5
Tagged you before I saw that sorry
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Sign-ups:
- Lunatic
- Drafterman
- Speedrace
- WaterPhoenix
- GreyParrot
- irontoaster
- Virtuoso
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@Buddamoose
@David
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interested?
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@Vader
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interested?
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