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@Barney
You're missing the point, mods have a history of really stretching things to make the balance they want happen.I'm also more of a mind that in case there is a cop, they should get a chance to investigate someone rather than outing themselves to save someone who still might be lying DP1.
Okay if I cede that mods do crazy things sometimes that is still a reach to say the point was “grasping at straws” to the point where you were almost considering lynchinge because of it lol, you can’t even come up with a valid argument for why any of these characters would be cop except for “sometimes mods to crazy things”. That’s fine, yeah they do. But it’s not like I was pursuing shows lynch over this logic it was merely something I pointed out, and magically the knowledge that he is a universal miller came out directly after I had pointed this out. That is straight up convenient no matter how you look at it. Even then I am still not saying I 100% think he is scum or lying. Coincidences to happen. But don’t say the logic was a stretch because you know that’s bs
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@WyIted
I don't laugh at you when you are floundering
Okay I’ll stop xD
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@WyIted
I was apparently fighting alongside Greta,
Lmao who the hell is Greta
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@WyIted
The meecanry leader/captain is carmilla come on man
Lmaoooooo
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@Barney
After the fall of Dracula, Trevor and Sypha seeks out where the monsters and find them where they are hiding...ArchBishop (possibly as an insane cop) for finding those evil witches and burning them at the stake...The Judge (makes way more sense as a PGO) for judging people so well, determining if they are innocent or not.Yes, for any of these there are a dozen roles they would fit better as, but we've all seen mods make head scratching decisions, and I won't pretend they don't.
come on Barney both of those are horrible justifications for cop. The judge doesn’t actually investigate anything either. He literally just sent a kid to his death because he was running around and inconveniencing him lol. Also the arch bishop technically wasn’t responsible for burning draculas wife, that was the Gresit priest leader. Also if your arguing that this would be an insane cop then the logic for supa being miller makes even less sense. Since he would show up guilty anyway.
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@WyIted
The lack of research here is comedy gold. You’re also wrong about your new new fake claim. A for effort I guess. Maybe you’re hoping people won’t research your bullsh1t?
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I am going to be very soon. Anyone need anything from me before I crash? I am assuming once everyone gets on and sees wylteds slip this is a pretty simple shut case of wylted being scum.
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Lets lynch wylted. He fvcked up his fake claim lol. Is claiming the ship master (even has the right profile pic of the guy) but describes the character and his interaction in the story COMPLETELY wrong lol. He never meets trevor or sypha once, and the role makes even less sense for the character lol.
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@WyIted
From what I can see he was very prevalent in season 2 as well not just 3
Wrong again. Do better research for your fake claim next time.
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@Barney
Thank you.That character was played by Lance Reddick, which I can see whiteflame thinking highly of... But a single episode from season 3 (now I know which season I need to start watching again from), seems unlikely due to how minor.
Wylted literally is now claiming the shipmaster fought alongside Trevor and Sypha, which quite literally doesn't happen lol.
Admittedly, I am torn between Wyited and Lunatic right now (the later really grasps at straws today, including implying because no character could be a cop when we've all seen some terrible justifications from mods to meet balance requirements).
Okay if I am grasping at straws tell me who you as mod would make a cop in this show and what the justification would be.
Keep in mind supa didn't claim to be the universal miller until AFTER I pointed out that I can't think of a character cop makes sense with. If you are gonna call me out for grasping at straws I'm gonna make you substantiate that. I'll wait.
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@WyIted
You are insaneLiterally every game that you are familiar with the theme you get excited and are solely responsible for at least 2 mislynches. That's not affiliation indicative. You literally always fuck up the game when you have the slightest familiarity with themse
Any examples or you throwing around baseless accusations? The last theme I remember playing and having knowledge of was Inheritance, and I had both austin and mharman pegged just wasn't active enough to press them due to being busy IRL and conflicting schedule.
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Hilarious that I even let wylted's trolling get me this worked up lol
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I am a disciplined soldier. It mentions fighting beside sypha and Trevor so I assume they are in the game and it mentions that my rank means it takes one extra vote to lynch me.It's not much information honestly.
Yeah wylted is confirmed scum. This character never once fought beside Sypha and Trevor. Smh mafia not even doing basic research lol
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@Barney
Which post did you reveal yourself to not be Isaac? And which character are you? I know it wasn't a hard claim, given the sequel show is admissible; but I would bet all of our minds went to Isaac.
Dude is acting like I am insane for coming to that conclusion. Keep in mind I never outted his character even with the knowledge of him claiming Isaac.
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No I would not because for all I know somebody actually has Isaac as a role and would just CC me if I played along with your nonsense.
Sounds like maf paranoia.
From everything I have read the captain is not a minor character either . You are trying to paint screen time in a way that makes him minor. I haven't watched the show but just like white rose in Mr robot from what people are saying it's a big presence but little screen time and I doubt its just 10 minutes over 4 seasons or however many there were.
Dude has one conversation with Isaac, and basically tells the dude not to follow in other peoples footsteps. Bam, the entire point of his character.
They didn't give the bishop a name either but he appears in many discussions and sounds important to the show
The arch bishop isn't all that important either, the priest that kills draculas wife is more likely to exist as baddie, Spacing the guys name though. Like I said the priests fall off hard after s1.
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@WyIted
I was essentially rephrasing what you said to me. You said you knew my character so I assumed the captain was the only black character based on your lie and then you fed me that information so I repeated it and now you after feeding me misinformation blame me for being misinformed?I didn't watch the show. You did
Wh yare you reading random wikis and reddit threads instead of just reading your actual fvcking role pm? There is no room for me to tell you what character you are, not that I did (despite several claims from you that I have), I picked up that you were hinting you were Isaac but I didn't even publicly say that until YOU stated having Isaac's abilities and getting them mixed up with the shipmaster who you seemed to have just researched and found out was black. Btw in your little list of black characters you posted, two are monsters and dont count, one character I don't even count as black and the last one you claimed was the most minor character anyone could have claimed in the entire castlevania universe, leaving you with yeah, only one actual option, Isaac. *Mic drop*
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@WyIted
He made many more and I was just believing the captain was the only black character and believing what lunatic says but now because I believed he knew my character and watched the show and was describing the captain here? Now he is saying I am scum for literally just taking him at his word?
The captain is so unimportant the show writers didn't even give him a name, but you are trying to convince me he exists in this game when there are enough prominent characters to fill a 13 player game lol. Yeah fvcking right.
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@WyIted
Lunatics first post telling me about my character which I believed, but was apparently a lieIt’s because he is grey area as fvck. Without watching the show for context I can see why he could be listed as good but realistically he’s very third party and his goals and interests conflict with the protagonists yet at the same time you can sympathize with the character even though he’s ruthless af. The wiki I saw listed him as a villain protagonist. I’d say overall he becomes more ore less good despite never really denouncing Dracula or his original intentions of wiping out humanity, he has some enlightened conversations that give him a different outlook but he still kills tons of innocents with his demon army. Overall I can see Whiteflame making this character town though so I haven’t really pushed the idea of you being scum.
It's because you are Isaac, and now are worried that your character is too scummy, and are trying to back track and change your claim to a minor unimportant character that DOESNT EVEN HAVE A NAME and has less than ten minutes of screen time, you screwed the pooch here. You would have just been better off sticking with Isaac.
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He also accidentally scum slipped and hinted hos character had Isaac’s abilities while claiming some common human with 0 powers, and claimed to lead the vampire hunters all of which isn’t true for his character.
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Btw anyone catching up Wylted has 0 reason to FOS me, he thinks I strong armed him into claiming or something, I quite literally never did. That said he got his character mixed up with another character but is supposedly actually claiming an extremely minor character with less than ten minutes of screen time. The whole situation screams “scum research gone wrong”
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@ILikePie5
I’m leaning number two atm based on recent chain of events, supa basically changed his claim to universal miller which is just so convenient
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@Vader
Not sure how I framed it differently. Even in both justifications I never said anything about it. Only reason I asked was because of your post you had talking about a lack of cop figure.
You just said you were a miller, you didn’t say you were this odd universal miller until after I pointed out how unlikely it was for there to be a straight cop in this game, is my point.
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@Vader
Are you trolling? Is this the fucking Truman show? What’s going on
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@Vader
What point does he make that’s good!? What!? How are you actually convinced by anything he’s said he’s absolutely trolling this game my mind is fucking blown
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Wylted is lowkey trolling here but obviously not taking this game seriously. That’s fine, but yeah we still should be lynching him here
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@Vader
My PM said you appear guilty on all reports. I wasn't sure if it meant all or just specifically cop reports so that's why i asked? Why are you suggesting that this should have been implied lol?
Ah no you didn’t phrase it that way initially, idk it s a bit convienent but I’ll let it slide for now, Wylted is bigger fish atm
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@Vader
I heard back from Whiteflame but apparently my miller compasses everything investigative and not just cop. That’s honestly really weird and I’ve never heard of that before so do with it as you will. Going to be like pie and keep pinging for more clarification
What’s wild is that you had to ask to be told that and he didn’t just tell you that and on you opening your PM
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@WyIted
If he is right about what?Why aren't you commenting on him seeming to have foreknowledge of my character and trying to needle me to get it out?
What lmao! I never asked you one thing about your character. You did all the claiming and are mad at yourself for divulging information that makes you look scummy and somehow projecting the blame onto me lol
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@WyIted
You revealed your own character and are still somehow blaming me for it, very interesting behavior
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@whiteflame
Can’t bold that vote from mobile for some reason I tried like ten times
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vtl wylted
Claiming a character with less than 10 minutes of screen time and is apparently not joking
Claiming a character with less than 10 minutes of screen time and is apparently not joking
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If you are actually unironically claiming the ship dude while actively mixing up
Isaac’s forge master abilities with a side character that’s lowkey hilarious but I’d be lynching you lol
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@WyIted
I thought you were thinking of Isaac or something because the wiki didn't seem to say protagonist or anything. Can you link to the wiki page you found?I legit assumed you were just wrong
You’re not the ship dude, literally no reason to keep pretending that. No one, especially scum is gonna buy that.
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@WyIted
You said he was a major villain jive turkey
What I actually said:
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@WyIted
Also every single person in my scum pool should just claimIt's Barney, lunatic, Casey and savant
Am I in your scum pool because I guessed your character? lol you didn’t make it hard my guy. You basically claimed it.
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@WyIted
I will send my army of slave night creatures to destroy white humans and end humanity unless this is a later season.
Yo that’s a pretty crazy ability to have for a side character with less than ten minutes of screen time xD
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@WyIted
I already said who he was because apparently saying his skin color was enough to make people guess. He is the captain
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@Vader
Do you mind elaborating more on this? There isn't any character that could fit a cop justification? I mean damn that would be pretty crazy imo because a cop is one of the most basic investigative roles in the game. I'm only asking since you know more of the theme than I do
Correct, there isn't any real "investigators" or detective agents, or anything really like that. No police force, or anything. Or a character that like solves stuff. Like I said it is pretty easy to BS justifications for like watchers and trackers to fit almost anything, but from a modding standpoint, I feel like coming up with a character to fit as a cop seems pretty hard for almost every character I can think of. There is an instance where Isaac figures out Godbrand is a traitor, but he doesn't really solve that, Godbrand basically just tells him flat out, so that's where I was thinking that justification could apply there but it would be a huge stretch.
Ultimately I am only two episodes into Nocturne and I still don't see a character that fits it, but there is still another 14 episodes for me to watch, so there might be a new character that gets introduced that fits the role. Or whiteflame just came up with something extremely stretchy. Anyways, just something I find weird, it doesn't mean your scum or anything, but I think we should look closely at any cop claims that come out and make sure the justification is solid, in the chance you are scum and your partner tries to claim cop to clear you or something.
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On an unrelated note, one thing thats tripping me up, is that if supa is town, that means there would have to be a cop. I CANNOT THINK OF A CHARACTER THAT MAKES SENSE AS COP. Maybe as I finish Nocturne tonight I'll have this solved, but there is literally nothing in s1-4 that makes sense as a cop. I can maybe think of one character having justification for a cop based on a scene that happens, but its a very big stretch for cop and never happens again. I can see justifications for trackers/watchers maybe but Cop? What the hell character would be a cop?! Again maybe I'll figure this out as I watch Nocturne.
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@Vader
I kind of want to disagree with this statement (i still have to catch up on some other reads but when I clicked the thread this popped up). I want to try and avoid mod psyche but maybe the theme could be simpler than what it deemed to be. I think focusing on good and evil is not right, but maybe it's staring us straight in the face. I feel like WF wouldn't want to make an extremely complex theme to digest. I also think WF play is generally based on theme analysis in games where he tends to enjoy the theme so I feel like he would want to incorporate that in his game by having a simple-ish theme. But that's mod psyche and i don't want to delve into that world deeper
The nature of the theme kind of makes thematic splits complex, obviously whiteflame has some control over that, but like I said: Who would the bad guys be?
S1: Bad guy is Dracula, and the evil priests
S2: Still Dracula, but Technically Carmilla is worse
S3: Dracula is dead, Carmillas and her sisters kind of the main bad guy
S4: Carmillas falls off hard on the threat level, Judge is really bad, Sala is really bad, judge and Sala are against each other though, then you have death hisself who is the penultimate bad guy of the season though you don't see him or know about him until the last episode.
Then behind all these bad guys, is their vampire generals, their army of beasties, and Isaac who is just taking over cities by himself, etc. Their is so much sh1t going on, I don't know which faction would be the straightforward mafia.
If I was modding and trying to make this simple I might simply pick two bad guys that seem the worst of the worst and maybe make them scum, though they wouldn't be affiliated with each other. For example, the judge who seems good but is fvcked up and murdering innocent children in his town who cause any minor nuisance, or Carmilla who is trying to control most of humanity and has an army and means to do it through Hector, etc. There are a million bad guy factions, I don't know how you would choose one over the other. He could have just straight up made the priests the bad guy since they are the catalyst for the whole show, but they drop off halfway through season two. Then there's Nocturne and a whole new list of bad guys im just getting into.
idk man, I am down with believing the theme could be straightforward or easy, but I still don't know how whiteflame would orchestrate that given the multiple factions of villain.
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Actually technically the religious priests are still ranked higher than even Carmilla and her sisters as "most evil" but they are kind of a non threat after mid-way season 2.
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@Casey_Risk
Fair enough, but you're also assuming that Whiteflame made the theme split a simple good vs. evil split, and while that's certainly a good possibility, I don't think we can assume that by any means. Maybe it has nothing to do with how "good" or "bad" someone is. My first game was like that. Also, I don't think we can safely assume that WF would make the split so simple just because it's his first game. I remember players trying to use modpsych during my first game, which I thought was just ridiculous. It's reasonable to identify patterns in how mods design their games, but you can't do that if they've never actually made a game before. Any attempt to utilize "modpsych" here is just idle speculation -- worthless.
I agree with you and don't think I am splitting characters into a good vs bad group entirely, though based on my own character I know protagonists are at least town. There are also varying levels of evil, and dracula whilst technically being the "main" bad guy, is less evil in my opinion, then say Carmilla and her sisters. There's like three or four factions of bad guy in this show, some of which are humans, so I definitely agree the theme split won't be that simple. All I have to go on at the moment is my knowledge that protagonists are town though, so there are a few human characters I can definitely clear based on proxy of that, and Wylted character (if were still not naming him) is still technically an outlier since he isn't a protagonist. The more we play the more clear the theme split will be. I am only noting things for now, but Barney for example is still an outlier as far as I am concerned to my own character and what's been claimed so far, so I am clarifying that I am suspect of him not just because I suspect him of being a "bad guy" per say, though "villains" are still an option for the theme split, though I agree its probably more complex than that.
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@ILikePie5
I literally just asked him this in pm, he said yes, scum do ask about characters/roles like in your games
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Btw just re-read the OP and apparently mafia are given two fake claims/role claims. This is interesting and I will have to re-evaluate some of my town reads based on this. There are a lot of prominent characters and I can see a couple being given as fake claims.
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@That2User
You seeing it peaking your interest makes sense, the last scene I saw was Alucard being fucked in a threesome
That was a trippy scene with a very unexpected ending....
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Thoughts/ Reads:
Pie- Ultimately I am kind of null on pie, but I tentatively lean town on him, and appreciate his activity early which is helping move the game forward. I like that he seems to have backed off is savant pressure as well, which if he stayed hard core on it I probably would be ab it more suspicious, since savant is one of those that pie commonly knows he can get mislynched and turn the blame back on savant, so pie showing any restraint on him is genuinely a positive. At some point I will need a claim to really clear him off the null list for me, but I don't think we need his claim dp1 as there are still a lot of major characters that are unclaimed.
Savant- Town- Claims he is confirmable with his affiliation and role, I am okay with that for now enough to put him in the town pile, thats a rather bold claim to make as scum dp1.
Austin- Lean town- Came in with activity and large contributions, I find it strange that he didn't ask me for reads but straight up FOS'ed me for having not posted them. Tbh I didn't really feel like there was enough activity to justify making them yet, but now I am seeing there is 200+ posts even if most of it is fluff, I can at least put something together. Anyways I am pretty sure austin is town based on his soft claim and POE of other female characters that were claimed, meaning he pretty much has to be who I think he is, and thus is most likely town.
Vader- Flip floping but leaning town. Part of me is leaning town because Hector makes a fvck ton of sense as miller, but it's also a REALLY good fake claim. I would assume its legit if supa didn't get things so confused when initially explaining it. Also I have no clue why Lenore was brought up at all in his description with his most updated description of his role justification, but maybe I am missing something, or he just explained it poorly. Post 28 made a lot more sense as justification though, and Hector is a pretty big character I would be very surprised if he weren't in the series. He also gets the absolute sh1t end of the stick in the show despite also getting the best piece of Pus in the show (Is torture worth it if you get laid by the hottest vampire ever afterwards? A deep philosophical question here...) so Miller makes extreme sense here. He also kind of becomes likeable based on what he has to go through, the audience sympathizes with him despite him being a bad guy originally.
Barney- Lean Scum- Claims to be an ugly character, most of the ugly characters are pretty bad in the show, a few jump to mind (Varney, Godbrand, the archbishop, Saint Germain, Judge and the priest dude who kills draculas wife). I can't think of a good ugly character protagonist, but hey, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
Casey- Lean town- Character seems prominent is Nocturne, though I haven't caught up that far. I watched a lil youtube clip and she does seem to make a big appearance, so I guess I will probably be introduced to this character soon enough.
That2- Lean town- I vaguely remember a scene in the small bit of Nocturne I watched a year ago, where this character was like a slave to white vampires and rebelled against them or something. Regardless I do think I remember the character, I need to keep watching the show though to make sure it's not someone I am getting mixed up with another character.
WyIted- I wanna say town, but ultimately I don't know- The whole time I was watching seasons 1-4 I was deeply considering what I would do as a mod with this character, and what whiteflame would probably do. Wylted's character is like the definition of third party in every sense of the word. Ultimately he becomes a "likeable" character and thus I would probably determine whiteflame might make this character town, but realistically he probably commits the second most amount of atrocities against humans next to dracula himself for mostly petty reasons. Like one scene where he slaughters an entire city because the city guard pissed him off. He like Dracula has a tendency to blame all humans for the actions of a few corrupt ones, though this mentality seems to change slowly as the show progresses. Ultimately this character becomes the most powerful of the bad guy trifecta in the end, as he kind of Usurps Carmilla who is and can only be a bad guy in every sense of the word, so does that make him good by proxy? If one bad guy takes out a worse bad guy then kind of just minds his own business for the rest of eternity instead of causing more problems, is he even really still a bad guy? I lean no on this whole thing, and kind of think whiteflame would too. but there are sooo many ways whiteflame could have designed this game and this character is probably the most interesting charatcer in the entire first four seasons, so I want to stay open minded about it.
Anyways, I have the most doubts about barney at this current juncture, I like pie behaviorally, but he is also a large unknown character wise so he is in my poe as well.
VTL barney
Not entirely sure if I would lynch vader, just because of how much sense hector makes as miller, but again I could see it being a fake claim as well.
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@That2User
Who do you scumread and why?
I am working on some reads right now. Just got to my laptop.
You falling deep into theme/character analysis v. behavioral analysis made sense to me
I literally just binged this series (am still binging it, just starting Nocturne again tonight) so I am very very familiar with the theme and will plan on using theme research as much as possible. I have an idea what I am looking out for in character claims based on my own knowledge of the show, and my knowledge of whiteflame and perception of what I think he would do for balance based on my own role, etc. That said I will also focus behavior. I don't wanna grasp at straws dp1, for example I feel the savant "slip" is a stretch, so im leaning a lil more on theme now than behavior because there hasn't been a ton of behavior until recently, but I will branch into behavior more as the game develops.
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