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Again, I state this, thank you for your concern.
As long as you continue to be a hypocritical POS and keep my name in your mouth, I will reply as frequently as I wish to. If you are going to hold others accountable for behavior that you think is damaging to the campaign they support, you should do so for yourself as well. You instigated everything.
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As long as you continue to be a hypocritical POS and keep my name in your mouth, I will reply as frequently as I wish to. If you are going to hold others accountable for behavior that you think is damaging to the campaign they support, you should do so for yourself as well. You instigated everything.
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What I replied to your reply, elsewhere, I am not reading your posts any longer. I am asking Airmax to make a statement for others to know if he endorses your conduct or not.
As long as you continue to be a hypocritical POS and keep my name in your mouth, I will reply as frequently as I wish to. If you are going to hold others accountable for behavior that you think is damaging to the campaign they support, you should do so for yourself as well. You instigated everything.
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I don't recall asking you but as per usual you insert yourself and try to speak for Airmax.I asked Airmax and only Airmax, don't be to Airmax what Athias is to 3RU7AL if you hypocritically condemn it at the same time.I want Airmax himself to speak on whether he does or does not endorse your behaviour and treatment of myself and Pie in particular, during this election. It is important to voters sitting on the fence to use his replies to things like this to ascertain where he stands morally on matters that divide and destroy the community, which I firmly believe you have been doing throughout this election campaign process.I have 0 care in the world what you reply to this, Lunatic. I will await Airmax to reply.
As long as you continue to be a hypocritical POS and keep my name in your mouth, I will reply as frequently as I wish to. If you are going to hold others accountable for behavior that you think is damaging to the campaign they support, you should do so for yourself as well. You instigated everything.
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- Me, elsewherePlease release a statement on this matter.
Please release a statement on how massive of a hypocrite you are. We are all waiting.
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Please comment on Lunatic's behaviour in this thread, voters need to know whether you endorse a primary supporter of yours conducting himself in this way.
My reputation is not at stake here. I am not running a campaign. I've been the same since DDO, do you really think he is gonna dis-own me as a friend and supporter because I stood up to you? Stop trying to twist the narrative here. Why not bring up all the times you said nasty things about airmax while your at it since you claim to "support" airmax lol.
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Do you endorse how Lunatic is carrying himself and treating those that even support you let alone those that oppose you during this election?
My reputation is not at stake here. I am not running a campaign. I've been the same since DDO, do you really think he is gonna dis-own me as a friend and supporter because I stood up to you? Stop trying to twist the narrative here. Why not bring up all the times you said nasty things about airmax while your at it since you claim to "support" airmax lol.
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Do you endorse how Lunatic is carrying himself and treating those that even support you let alone those that oppose you during this election?
My reputation is not at stake here. I am not running a campaign. I've been the same since DDO, do you really think he is gonna dis-own me as a friend and supporter because I stood up to you? Stop trying to twist the narrative here. Why not bring up all the times you said nasty things about airmax while your at it since you claim to "support" airmax lol.
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@RationalCrybaby
"Waahhh Waahhhh Airmax abused me for years! You are all insensitive cvnts if you don't think he is a Jewish big bully and I am a poor innocent victim! Waaaah!"
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@Wylted
The site really has to gain the ability to have group messages before mafia will take off here, I think.
Now that you mention it, I recall the developer saying we should have that in 2-3 months... That was 6 months ago. Hmmm....
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Nothing you said there is true, least of all the 'only' but at the very least Airmax could say it himself. You are currently doing for Airmax what you said Athias was lame for doing for 3RU7AL.
Difference 1 is airmax actually has a campaign and can actually explain what he plans to do with his. It exists independent of me telling you what it is. I am just here to keep you from consistently twisting and changing the narrative to constantly paint everyone but you as a villain.
"Oh woe is me! Airmax was such an abuser! Someone please help me! He virtually raped me for years and just got away with with while maniacly twisting his Jewish mustache and doing the evil laugh. Woe is me!"
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@Wylted
It's entirely inappropriate to ban somebody for their "mental safety", and it annoyed me that I've heard max say he was tempted to, to protect bornofgod.Maybe bornofgod should be banned for proselytizing, but for his own safety is an absurd motive
I mean I agree with you on this, like I said though, airmax changed the way he modded to the laissez faire style in the later years after learning what worked and what didn't work.
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@airmax1227
He is intentionally trying to paint me as more villainous than I actually am lol. Ignore the narrative he is trying to paint, and read what I've wrote yourself. He is the primary person continuously attacking you, all I've done is respond logically to his arguments. He has gotten offended to the point where he has yet again blocked me lol.
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Not on RationalMadman which stayed banned (it got unbanned after DART began due to a glitch on Juggle's end that reset almost all banned user accounts to become accessible).He just got lazy. I was officially still permanently banned and only lifting it several years later is still not laissez-faire.This isn't about me, I am asking about others.
I am pretty sure you and askbob were the only users who were ever really permabanned. And there was one guy I can't remember who was doxxing the website and hacking the code, and even accessed a moderator account I think. For you to be one of 3 people who were ever permabanned, that kind of says something about you, especially considering how laissez faire max truly was, even to people who didn't like him and called him out all the time. I am pretty sure your permaban was more for your mental safety than most. You could not handle that website in the slightest.
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I brought your name up because you are genuinely the single user ruining Airmax's campaign.You just don't see it. Even his opposition aren't doing as good a job as you are in making Airmax seem like an asshole.Airmax has to either condemn your actions more directly (not indirectly) or people will associate him with your thug-like conduct of bullying voters into voting him and other insulting, disrespectful behaviours throughout the election.You are a very irresponsible person to be so avidly behind Airmax, it's actually hurting his image. I'm not about to stay silent about it and I don't think you're actually taking in what I'm saying and considering it could be correct.
People like you want to play a dirty election towards someone who has interacted entiirely professionally with all of you. I find it extremely hypocritical of you to accuse me of "being an asshole" and ruining his campaign when the very person I am most defending him against is you, even after you are "supporting" him by dropping your campaign. The thing is, you aren't actually supporting him really. You constantly are attacking him, multiple times in this thread and in others. I am only calling you and anyone else who calls him out on their bullsh1t.
If you want to stop hurting his image, than stop dishing it only to not be able to take it when someone points out how very fvcking wrong you constantly are. :)
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If this is a joke, I don't find it funny and neither will most voters, it is a very irresponsible way to handle a homeless person seeking drugs and alcohol and perhaps is proof he is too laissez-faire.
Maybe it's because you don't have a sense of humor.
In his benefit, his main opponent wants to not use the President's powers much at all. So we have two candidates (even hammer as a third) with vague af campaigns with regards to when they think it's correct for mods to discipline users.I'd advise Airmax to make it clearer when he thinks it's right.
What specifically about Airmax's campaign isn't clear? Bring it up to him, he has been more than helpful in elaborating on any topic that has been brought up to him so far.
He did permanently ban me from DDO and wasn't always lenient to others either, so he does have beliefs surrounding discipline that aren't entirely laissez-faire.
Your perma ban was eventually lifted and you remained and posted on the site for months before we officially came to DART. At the time you were perma banned you were constantly making multiple accounts. I remember how easy they were to spot. Also you were a child, and not very mentally equipped to deal with social interactions in that type of a community. While you are slightly less disturbed than you were back then, you still seem barely able to mentally suffice social interactions with people. Anyways, airmax became much less strict through his moderation throughout the years as you saw with you allowed to stay at the end of DDO's legacy.
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We aren't having an argument here, we actually want the same candidate to win. Our bickering hurts Airmax overall. You are pretty immature about this whole thing to be frank and if he loses, it's genuinely you to blame. Had you not started shit with me here, my voters wouldn't be saying things like I got set up or wondering why Airmax's main supporter is being such a dick to the guy who dropped out to endorse him.You are too toxic of a personality to even comprehend we're on the same side right now, that's the absolute truth of it.
I am too toxic? You are literally proving my point for me. The conversation ended whenever you blocked me and stopped responding to me last, yet again in post 32, you bring my name up. You start it every time, and I finish it. You want this to stop that's on you. I will keep logically destroying your sh1tty arguments in the mean time.
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The funniest thing about all of this, is that you always start it and then back out of it. Everytime the argument ends, it ends because you stopped responding. Then you start it up the next day and play victim that I responded to you.
Even when I made my thread telling people not to support you, I told you we would probably have to agree to dis-agree. But you stoked the fires. You got burnt, and then cired and whined about it, and proceeded to report me 8 times to the mods. So sad. So pathetic.
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Let's see how long it takes RM to run and hide and play emotional victim again, or just stop responding lol. Can't block me any harder, what else you got bub?
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You don't get to choose what you're seen as or how voters associate you with others.
I didn't say I did, I just said they are iditioc to vote based on anything I say lol. I have nothing to do with airmax running, I simply support him running. All I have done is call you out on your bullsh1t. And pie for being hypocritical. If someone has a problem with that they should tell me themselves.
Had Oromagi or ZedVictor or somebody else acted like you are while avidly supporting me, people would turn away from me as a candidate as well.
People turn away from you purely on their own. You aren't a debater, can't logically defend yourself without blocking someone, or avoiding most of an argument all together. You are nothing more than an emotional child.
If you are curious what I mean by 'acting', let me highlight three things you do in 4/5 replies that you make to people:
- Undermine their experience (as stated by them
Please clarify.
2. Tell them they know nothing that they think they're sure of
In what way? All I have done is point out how your model of speech protection serves to harm a debate site rather than help it. You on the other hand haven't been able to substantiate how it can.
3. Rewrite what they wrote to make them look and feel bad about themselves
I specifically qoute everything you say when I respond to it. It's why forum debate is much better than structural debate, you can piece by piece respond to every line to specfically avoid what you are now lying and accusing me of doing.
4. Add insulted on top
Right, says the guy who calls people insensitive cvnts because he is offended by their opinions. Pot calling the Kettle black and all.
It is quite ironic indeed that you say I gaslight regularly.
There is plenty of evidence in my other thread substantiating how you do. You poorly responded to half of it, dodged most points, and ignored the latter half. I would say I efficiently proved you a gaslighter.
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Well, considering how Lunatic is acting it wouldn't surprise me if enough voters got alienated to not want to vote Max.
Lol I am not max's spokesperson. I advocate for him and will assist him in whatever he does but if anyone is choosing not to support him because of me, frankly they are pretty idiotic.
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For the record, I haven't and won't be submitting anything to this "truthbox". I am not afraid to share my opinions to people face to face.
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@airmax1227
Right, that's exactly the goal. I believing that trying to market forum mafia is difficult, but introducing it in the live mafia format, something far easier (in terms of reach/interest/digestibility, not necessarily the amount of work involved) should make those that find it interesting enough, consider the forum version as well. There should be some crossover interest and inherently lead to an increase in forum activity. In fact I would imagine that some percentage of those that learned about it from the live version, will even end up preferring the forum version.
Very good plan! Lets do it.
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@airmax1227
I certainly like mafia, but it's mostly important as another method for marketing the site. Unfortunately marketing mafia as the typical text based thing is a hard sell, if not impossible. Making mafia this watchable argumentation-persuasion kinda sporting event, in an easy to understand package, I believe is doable, and can make it very marketable. It's a difficult and ambitious project to be sure, but I'm extremely excited for it, it's gona be fun wherever it takes us and I hope it's something a lot of Dart members will want to take part in.
Actually, by proxy of gaining traction in live mafia, we may accrue more interest in forum mafia. I am hopeful for this. Forum mafia isn't really as much your cup of tea but I see this being mutally beneficial to live and forum mafia.
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@airmax1227
Debate Tournaments: This is an easy one, we all know what these are. It'd be nice ot make them regular and integrated into the site with something like platinum awards for winning, and a leaderboard. Lots of cool ideas can go along with tournaments, and we are all familiar with the basic idea, but it's naturally something I have in mind.
It would be fun to get back into tournaments. I believe I won the first tournament you hosted on DDO lol.
DART Champions League: This is something I worked hard on on DDO, but it came to fruition a bit too late in its lifespan. This is essentially a team-based debate league that does debates in a sports league format. Teams debate a schedule of other teams, and the teams with the most wins go to the playoffs and then the championship etc. New debaters and potentially teams are added each season, and it has a very long-term intention to it that makes it a really great addition over time. This does require a larger community and more activity though, so this is more of a long term goal.
I would like to see this. We have tried variations of this in the past but it fell through. I can't remember why. I was on a team debate with classicrobert a while back though, and I remember it being pretty fun for the round it lasted lol.
Mafia: I realize that some don't care about this, but mafia really is a natural extension of a debate website, since the game provides an outlet to argumentation and persuasion in a gamified environment. The problem is that it's a really niche thing, and that bringing in people that aren't already aware of it is difficult. it's further a tough endeavor since the game can be rather complicated to the uninitiated, and understanding it, and then engaging in it, takes a fair amount of time commitment.I'd like to see if that has to be true. Our live mafia games, which will be, and essentially already are, a Friday night custom for the Dart community, have the potential to bridge the gap of the mafia experts, and those who have never heard of it. I'd like us to arrange small games, record them, and with clever editing and production value, really show what is going on. I believe that featuring these dozen or so, easy to follow, and well-explained, live beginner games, on the Dart Youtube channel, will create some level of additional interest and enthusiasm. I believe that as well as being initially educational about the game, that these games have the potential to be very entertaining. In this format, I believe we can create a brand new niche of live mafia on youtube, and really bring in new people that have an interest for this. I have a very detailed plan about the way these vids would be made, but suffice it to say that there is a way they can be easily digestible, entertaining, and create enthusiasm.After that, more advanced style games could create even greater interest, to the point where all those people who were streaming "Among Us" (the 2nd rate nerf version of mafia) and enjoyed that concept, might consider putting up their argumentation and persuasion skills, to the ultimate test against the DART mafia Pros.
This is something I would be most interested in helping out with. DDO and debateart have always held appeal to me for the debate stuff, but if I am being honest, mafia is what keeps me around. As you can see from the Forum Games section, mafia is currently dead. Any attempt at reviving this would incentivize me and others to put a lot more time on the website. If you would like help with this endeavor, editing videos, advertising, anything, I will do my best to assist you.
You are currently the only candidate who is pro mafia and that makes you not only unique, but shows that your interests are multi faceted. A candidate should realize how important mafia is to the community. It is one of the more popular forums, behind religion.
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@zedvictor4
DDO became a hopeless site.Is that what we can expect on Dart?
There is no correlation. The owners of DDO abandoned it. The Owner of DART is still around to prevent spam bots.
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@airmax1227
I would accept your challenge, but I will never win on the high score. If we did it by note accuracy I might stand a chance, but even then I am hella out of practice.
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RM lives in imaginationland. He thinks if he pretends I don't exist hard enough, maybe I will just go away. Ah, if only life worked that way.
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You use this word gaslighting but this is genuine 100% gaslighting what a clash is from one's perspective by replying the following:You and him don't "Clash" because airmax doesn't hate you the way you hate him. This unbridled rage you carry stems from you only. This isn't some rivarly between the two of you. It's literally just you with a hate boner against him. I get it. I feel that way towards pie currently, I am not above it either. Carry that hate and rage against Max all you want. At least you gave him the chance to prove you wrong and show you that he will be a fantastic president and will do great things for the website.You are an armchair psychologist and don't understand what a clash is. You don't even have to hate someone to clash with them. I don't hate max, I do feel something called dislike for him
None of it is gaslighting, it's actually me giving you credit for supporting max despite the fact that you heavily dislike him. Pretty rich you call me an arm chair psychologist, after you psycho-analyzed me and accused me of being emotionless lol. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7129-why-you-should-not-vote-for-rationalmadman?page=4&post_number=77
If I hated Max I wouldn't drop out here and endorse him.
The way you constantly paint max as an evil genius, it's hard to believe you don't hold hate towards him, but hey you can prove me wrong through your actions over the next 6 months with him as president.
I actually hate you though, I didn't before this election and genuinely was grateful to you for defending me back when I got banned but the way you've carried yourself here is a series of totally and utterly being a bitter-ass guy to me and even Pie too. You undermine people's emotions and ability to decide for themselves what they feel and how they think. You literally quote someone saying something and tell them they are wrong to feel that because they don't feel what they feel, that's as dumb-sounding as it is in reality when you carry it out and is a quintessential part of gaslighting, which you have no clue what it is.
Me and you were never friends. I don't care if you hate me. Me defending you was me defending the idea of free speech. The fact that I did that even though we were technically "enemies" shows that I take a stand for what I believe despite who it is for. You on the other hand claimed to be against moderations actions there and literally betrayed that cause by going after wylted when he was in the exact same predicament as you. You don't stand for anything, and are heavily influenced by your biases. Basically anyone who sucks you off in a conversation is your friend lol. If they say anything controversial to your beliefs, you villainize them and don't care about actually debating them. You are an actual narcissist.
Anyways, now I can happily block you, don't need you ever @ing me on any platform. You are a nasty person, I mean that sincerely and I hope you look at yourself in the mirror one day and question how you treat others.
Blocking me won't make me go away. As long as you keep spouting bullsh1t, I will be here to call you out on it, unless I lose inerest. Just because I can't tag you doesn't mean I am gonna stop pointing out every manipulative thing you do to avoid actual debate. Can't run from all your problems RM. I guess you can try the "bully" move you always go for and see how that works. But change is a comin.
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@Wylted
I think it's perfectly reasonable to support a person for president and have legitimate concerns about the person.
Yeah your giving RM too much credit. He is very good at manipulating people into thinking that his intentions are noble and grandious, but really he just wants sympathy. It's why he couldn't glorify those first few posts of people giving him respect for his actions an actual response, and skipped to conspiracy theories about people trying to undermine him and victimize him.
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@RationalMadman
Get your head out of the sand and realise this is its own website and if somebody had ignored DDO for 3.5 years while it dwindled to this level of activity, I'd say the same shit about them too.
"Dwindled to this level of activity" implies that it had a huge amount of activity in the first place. This site was always dead. There were a few more refugees of DDO around in the beginning, but not much.
He ditched this website until he got wind of some power to attain. I find it petty and ridiculous, I don't see why I can't be 'salty' over that because that is what I'm 'salty' about.
The "power" you are accusing him of really just amounts to more responsibility. Especially with the complex layout of plans he had. Your platform could be spun for power, because you didn't have even half of what airmax's campaign has. You were gonna do one debate tourney and then whisper in the mods ear like Wormtongue did to King Theodon in LOTR lol. You can be salty all you want though, I am just saying don't pretend you are doing something noble when this was really about you not being able to handle the pressure the whole time.
I think it's absolutely asinine the reason he came back here. You want freedom of speech, right? I think he is an egotistical, manipulative guy who happens to also have respect from you DDO guys and will make this website flourish with activity all because we hand him a President title. I find it amusing, silly and cute. Am I salty about losing to him? A little, yes I am.
There is a reason airmax has the support he does. If he was as villainous and evil as you suppose he is, kind of weird he would be able to pull support like this despite all this inactivity you keep bringing up. Also you led with "you want freedom of speech, right" but then preceeded not to follow up with that point. Please explain how airmax won't accomplish that.
You can 'rub it in' all you want, I don't have shame in the saltiness nor does it in any way reduce what I did.
Stop playing victim is all I am saying. You conceded because you couldn't handle the pressure. Stop making it sound like you were bullied into submission because someone made a better campaign than you did. Just makes you look like a poor loser.
3RU7AL was running and is gaining support as people who supported Wylted are skeptical of Airmax. I could have spitefully talked my voters into voting for 3RU7AL and made this really 50/50. I even got good reasons to vote against Airmax but why the fuck would I do that when I value this website's success above my ego and 'saltiness'?
You realize that despite how much you try to make him out to be the bad guy here, airmax actually will be a good president. I can understand why you would nominate him over 3RU7AL who doesn't even have a campaign or plan to elaborate significantly on what he actually plans to do. But offering your support to airmax, while constantly shading him kind of underminds your move here tbh.
You have preconceptions about me based, very ironically, on depictions Airmax, Bench and others gave you. I'm actually a really good person and I'm so sick and tired of not being able to say 'I am a good person' without being called a victim player or this and that to justify other shit I did to handle a villain or two.
My conceptions of you are my own, not based on airmax's or benchs or anyone else. I've been interacting with you for years on both websites. I don't think you are a horrible person or anything like that. I think you may be a bit immature, have some horrible takes on the world, and can be very manipulative when you argue, but I don't think any of that makes you a bad person. That's just who you are and who you are is shaped by the environment you are surrounded with. I think you see the world through a very black and white lens with no grey area, which makes talking reason to you almost impossible.
I am nasty at times, everybody is and I tend to save my nastiness for people who make me feel really bad or make others feel really bad. Airmax was nasty and manipulative to me in the past and I forgive him. You seem to think I have forgotten what he did or feel less bad about losing to somebody like him or that we magically 'changed oh so much' over X or Y amount of years.
I don't think you can actually substantiate or prove how airmax was "nasty" or "manipulative". You were a kid when you were banned, and maybe you over-inflated his authority as being more than it actually was. But to say you forgive him is just an outright lie based on everything you keep saying about it. You hold a nasty grudge against him and I doubt you will ever let it go.
I don't think he's changed that much, I don't see it. I think I have though and I get why he found me toxic, even though he was so lenient on other toxic members who said way worse shit than I did.
Max's model of moderation wasn't the same in the first year or two of his moderationship as it was in the later years. Max admits this freely. He had a lot of time to see what works and what doesn't work. He became increasingly more laissez-faire through years of experience in the role. You weren't around for a lot of the later years of DDO (just towards the end of it) so you are pretty unfamiliar with who he really is. Notice you weren't banned though at the end. Max's philosophy on moderation is much different than it was in the beginning.
What is it you want?
I want you to stop thinking you can be manipulative without being held accountable for the things you say. I will continue to call you out on your bullsh1t if you continue to put it out.
I dropped out and endorsed him instead of 3RU7AL, just let go of your petty stuff with me and in the future don't dox someone's discord chats without their consent.
That is hardly doxxing lol. No one can message you or contact you without knowing the #4 digit number at the end of your name, and no one knows that from those screenshots. Also YOU insinuated I was lying with what happened, so you can call me out but don't want me to back it up? Yeah fvck that. You don't know what doxxing is kid. I've had bench threaten to call my Mom's phone number (yes he actually had it). I have had bench text my personal phone the apple terms of service so that I was consistently getting messages for the better part of an hour until I figured out how to block him from doing that. Yeah I did some sh1t back to him and got even. But that's what doxxing is. Zmikecuber freaking found Max's personal number and sent him trolly, and threatening messages. Stop throwing out doxxing accusations when you don't actually know what doxxing is.
I can say this now because I got no agenda to win that you can say it's based on. What you did was morally wrong. Consent is the basis of all moral acts except ones that save the person. I don't show screenshots of you elsewhere or wouldn't if I could. I don't care what you did though as that chat is important as I believe people need to learn about Sacha Baron Cohen and what he did to that Romanian village, it's so disgustingly morally wrong. I got no shame in the level of offense I take to what he did.
If you are not insecure about your stance then stop calling it doxxing. If you have nothing to hide from people there is no reason to feel insecure about this.
I am not salty I lost, I'm salty that a guy can do as little as him for this website to last this long activity-wise and stroll in an win an election. I'm salty he can do that, admit he needs that ego rush to win and still people will vote for him.
The fact that Max can make both major candidates drop from the election speaks volumes to the fact that he actually has a campaign people believe in and can see work. Stop being salty, and just be proud that he was able to accomplish what you couldn't. Maybe you will learn a thing or two from him.
I am salty that people like 3RU7AL can't drop out for a blatanty more adept member to negotiate on their behalf, whether it be myself, Wylted or now Airmax and realise their own strengths and weaknesses but I don't feel salty about the fact that I played a significant role in somehow chain-reacting Airmax's return.I don't like Airmax, I think he's a manipulative guy with traits/values that clash very much with mine (he's very tactful where I'm very blunt, he's very dispassionate where I burn with emotions so on and so forth). He likes who he thinks I am, he forgot that the real me and real him met in PMs on DDO, we've had proper hangout chats and been amicable despite him not respecting me enough to ever unban me, knowing full well I'd earned it. I don't resent him, I know that he and I clash so much because we work so differently as people. I know that I can't be his friend and he should learn that he can't be mine, we just don't gel well (I don't gel well with many people anyway but him, I really just don't).I respect Airmax, I don't like him. There is a difference and the latter doesn't change the former being absolutely genuine.
You and him don't "Clash" because airmax doesn't hate you the way you hate him. This unbridled rage you carry stems from you only. This isn't some rivarly between the two of you. It's literally just you with a hate boner against him. I get it. I feel that way towards pie currently, I am not above it either. Carry that hate and rage against Max all you want. At least you gave him the chance to prove you wrong and show you that he will be a fantastic president and will do great things for the website.
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@RationalMadman
Yes and you think Pie is a backstabber for not voting for a guy who has made no posts on the website for years and endorsing me after Wylted dropped out.
Airmax has made plenty of posts on DDO, and this site is an extension of DDO. You keep repeating this argument as if it means anything. The fact that you just dropped your campaign to support airmax, while still insulting him though, shows that this is a move you made out of frustration. This is all a petty move for you. Again you can't handle the pressure. It's okay. Just admit it.
You read too much into things.Do you want to know what's egotistical? Airmax needing some authority and title to finally give a shit about this website's success. I find that is really pathetic and egotistical but I also know he may be the last hope we need.
To even begin to make this site succesful, you have to fix the fundamental problem the site has with over-moderation. It's the reason I never tried to advertise and make this site active in the past. Why would I tell and encourage people to join a website when I don't think it's ran responsibly myself? Mods have made horrible decisions and in my opinion, have indirectly inhibited site growth. With Max as president, working with people who know, like and respect him, he has the unique oppterunity to fix the fundamental issues caused from modding. With those out of the way, there is a lot more incentive to bring activity to the site. In fact I have already promised to help him in these endeavors.
This isn't about power. Max can't accomplish what he needs to accomplish as effectively without this positions unique ability to have a say in moderation decisions.
So if you're going to go around insulting me and insinuating things, I can do it too.
You started it up again in post 6 by being a whiner. If you are going to give up gracefully, do it. At least then I could grant you some respect. I have withdrawn that, seeing as this whole thread was actually an attempt to garner pity and be a cry baby. Otherwise you would have left it at the OP. But you wanna keep dishing it, prepare to keep recieving it.
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@RationalMadman
I detect salt here, your OP seems like you are trying to pretend that your motives in conceding are noble, but your post 6 makes you look more salty, and giving yourself praise lol. I am guessing your true intentions for conceding are that you couldn't handle the pressure of all this. Which is understandable, running for president shouldn't be easy. Wasn't for anyone else in any of the past elections either. I had a mudslinging fest with coal for the entire duration of my run for presidency. I was better for it, and despite your apparent lack of humility shown, I think you will be better for what happened here as well. Running for president should be a humbling experience.
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@RationalMadman
Are you saying that Mikal is the owner of this website?
What? No... ??
I stand by these statements but replace Lunatic with Mikal
Your conspiracy is false. It was a hopeful trolling attempt to get max to run. He wanted Max to run, but I don't think seriously expected Max to be on board. We were pleasantly surprised that Max actually decided to run.
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@RationalMadman
A couple of those were questions not statements.
I guess you are referring to this:
"I predict that you only contacted him when you felt worried about the election's outcome and wanted somebody everybody from DDO could rally behind, to secure a win. Otherwise, why did you wait and only contact him later into the campaigning stage?"
I don't think Mike fully expected Airmax to want to do this, seemed like a hopeful troll to get Max on board, and we were all pleasantly surprised that he actually was.
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@RationalMadman
When precisely did you contact Airmax1227 and why?For instance, had everything run accordingly, I was likely to run uncontested by the election time. It got extended an entire month and I am curious when it is that you contact Airmax.I predict that you only contacted him when you felt worried about the election's outcome and wanted somebody everybody from DDO could rally behind, to secure a win. Otherwise, why did you wait and only contact him later into the campaigning stage?
I didn't contact airmax, Mikal did. Airmax's announcement was just as much as a surprise to me as it was to you.
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@RationalMadman
had I not been so much of a threat to make Lunatic afraid of me winning
lmao okay buddy, whatever you say
I'm also curious when either Coal or Airmax reveals that they were Mike (the admin account debateart.com) all along but that may never happen.
I know for a fact Mike is niether of these people. Interesting theory though.
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@RationalMadman
Interesting turn of events.
Much respect garnered to you for this move. I know you still don't like airmax, but I would ask that you keep an open mind about him. I think you will like him better. You are older now and both you and he are different people. Don't let your past get in the way of a potential friendship with the guy. Even if not a friendship, a mutual understanding to where you can help each other grow the site. You obviously care a lot about the community and I would love to see you work with airmax to help make the site better, in whatever way your specialty is. Food for thought.
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@RationalMadman
Imagine that everything you debated and typed in the forums and debates became associated with you across YT and Twitch and basically the whole Internet. Would that not increase, as opposed to decrease, the power of 'cancel culture' on you here?
I can't speak for twitch, but I know youtube's online community tends to be much more right wing leaning judging by the comment section. Doesn't seem like a crowd very supportive of cancel culture.
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@TheHammer
Hammer you wanna make this a dirty election? See you trying to start sh1t lol
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@Dr.Franklin
I'm not here to argue the presidency. ILikePie has always been in favor of free speech, as far as I'm aware. Trying to equate him supporting RM to him being against free speech is a stupid correlation
Yet he would pick RM over someone who is literally the baseline for free speech moderation. So he is either lying about supporting free speech or really doesn't support it as much as he says he does if he will sell out the ideal over his dislike of max.
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NGL I was hammered last night when I made this thread, but I had to endure sitting in a discord call with someone I actively despise last night and held my tongue about it so we could all have a good time. But I was stewing about his hypocrisy the whole time. I needed to get this off my chest and he didn't want to discuss it in DM's. So a callout thread seemed more appropriate to let him know I really think him supporting RM is such a low backstabbing, hypocrite move that I will never take him seriously again.
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@Dr.Franklin
As far as I'm aware he supports RM because he is a "champion of the people". It makes sense since Airmax literally isnt here
RM doesn't give a rats arse about the people lol. He only cares about himself. And airmax is actively campaigning so I don't know what you mean about him not being here.
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You are put up a good campaign. Had max not run I would have voted for you here.
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@TheHammer
On top of this, I do not appreciate how he has been setting his thugs on anyone who even dares to consider voting for RationalMadman, as in the thread where Lunatic lives up to his name in his attack on Pie.
My dislike of pie is my own. I doubt airmax shares my take on pie, but I've been having issues with pie for a while in the mafia section as well, so this beef isn't unheard of. I wanted to move past it, but pie keeps showing his true colors.
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@Dr.Franklin
pie's a cool dude. Don't understand why this thread exists. As thett3 said, he is right to vote for whoever he wants
Pie wanting to vote someone who is anti free speech, just shows that his stance against free speech was all bs
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@Wylted
I really really dislike pie for this. And I think his motivation here is not genuine. The fact that he would vote for RM over airmax shows that he is extremely petty and doesn't actually stand for anything.
I don't care how it makes me look but I need to call him out on his bullshit. He doesn't actually stand for anything. And to think I would have voted for him if he ran... most fake 2 face person on the site. Makes RM look like an angel.
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