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@Best.Korea
The question that arises. A baby doesn't deserve hell, what have they done?
But what has a baby done to deserve heaven?
Now with the abortion, God may have mercy on the baby , have them enter into his kingdom. But throw the aborting doctors and parents into the lake of fire.
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@n8nrgim
Do you think people struggle with the idea namely atheists that the narrative of God is all knowing which plays a big part in what's reasonable and justified?
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@Benjamin
@Best.Korea
Babies and children are innocent by nature is that correct?
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@Best.Korea
I'm referring to the mercy of forgiving sins, even what you see subjectively as the worst of sins.
Do I think atheists will go to hell?
According to scriptures, yes.
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@Benjamin
Saying that God is evil is a personal judgement.
Granted to being that you decide to disobey God which as I understand God would recognize as evil, wouldn't make God evil .
The judge or the lawman isn't criminal because they prosecute you or charge you with being a criminal.
Granted to being that you decide to disobey God which as I understand God would recognize as evil, wouldn't make God evil .
The judge or the lawman isn't criminal because they prosecute you or charge you with being a criminal.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Is it your understanding that to go to heaven, all one has to do is have faith in Christ Jesus?
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@Benjamin
Do you believe or is it your understanding that Christ died for everyone?
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@Best.Korea
Doesn't seem like you can be as merciful as God.
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@TheUnderdog
A lot of "christians" are just as atheist as others.
Aside from that you'll get what they think on subjects.
Granted that you take the position that none of what they say is true, it certainly isn't biblically true.
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@Stephen
Why are you still arguing?
At ease soldier, stand down.
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@sadolite
I have no evidence that you will wake up tomorrow. I believe you will . If you believe it along with me, that's my point. If I had evidence or could know the future then I wouldn't require the faith overnight until tomorrow.
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@zedvictor4
I just look at everything in a binary sense of believing or knowing. You either have evidence or you don't.
If you don't have evidence, nothing is an equivalent to it. Believing in God, believing in yourself, believing in world peace, believing in no God, believing your "race" is superior, believing in the big bang, believing in evolution, etc.
What is the common denominator? No evidence. It's all belief.
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@Stephen
And you call me going in circles. You're just repeating your own self after what I said was really nothing to argue back with.
It was really just a "cool beans" type of a response from me. You can go on and on. I'm saying cool.
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@Stephen
You say belief, I say faith. You take a position without evidence of it be true.
I know the word faith is pictured nominally as religious. It just goes to show religion is not all that distant or foreign from the secular world.
"But I have very good reason to believe I will."
Sure just no evidence. We can feel confident with a good reason sure.
"Again, it is easier for you to conflate the two in the belief that it offers logical reason for your faith.
Hope is not faith. Faith is being fully confident whilst hope is to believe that something is possible but not sure and is nothing more than expectation and optimism."
Well I'm not going to dispute over a preference of semantics. You call it what you will as I will.
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@IlDiavolo
Even if I was, so what?
Not really a problem.
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@zedvictor4
Depends on the context. If I don't believe that I exist, I probably have psychosis.
If I believe I'll be breathing later to continue to converse, I'm most likely in a safe life maintaining place.
If I'm feuding with a gang member , I may not have faith in me being around much longer.
All in context.
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@sadolite
So you don't ever believe you'll do something or won't do something?
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@Sam_Flynn
I am meat. Not shaped like a ball though.
Except in some areas.
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@Double_R
Ok well as long as you agree with that, very good. See I don't have to argue when I find agreement.
Very good.
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@sadolite
I have lost faith in myself from a time or two .
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@Double_R
"Your question is incoherent - If the story is false it cannot also be true."
My point exactly. You indirectly answered the question even with just trying to critique it.
An example of what you said, the so called flying spaghetti monster.
"But in writing this you inadvertently made my point. You assumed at the outset that the story you were making up was in fact false without any evidence and despite the fact that any story one can make up is possible (unless it's internally contradictory)."
i.e. , the flying spaghetti monster.
But to bring it back to my main point. Things exist regardless if they have been proven to me .
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@IlDiavolo
I don't know. We're talking two different lanes. You're in the logic science, I'm talking what was before all that existed yes.
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@IlDiavolo
You're not the only one who has to have patience, join the club. You should expect this in debates, even in discussions. Not everyone has the same worldview so expect misunderstandings, explanations, nothing new comrade.
I have patience and I don't have to demean and be condescending with it at the same time.
I just simply asked what caused women to be stronger than men. You made the statement, I'd figure you know that much.
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@Statichead
I use the words gender and sex alternately as synonymous is what I'm saying preferentially.
But I understand you use the term as meaning a social construct.
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@Stephen
You have to have faith that you'll being going anywhere tomorrow. Why?
You have absolutely no evidence that you'll even wake up tomorrow. Now people don't like the idea that somethings you're just going to have to believe in. Just the way it is. Nothing wrong with having hope when it keeps you going on the right path.
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@zedvictor4
Would we not believe in ourselves if we had the choice to do so?
Do you say yes or no to this?
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@Sam_Flynn
If I was to get a tattoo what would come to mind is the design like you said. Then I think about where that ink is going to go.
It's going on my colored skin. I know I have skin with a color, I've seen it. So of course the image of the skin comes to mind. It's how what is decided of what looks good on it in combination with the selected ink art.
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@Double_R
"They were rhetorical questions, that was obvious."
I understand the apprehension in actually getting an individual's answer instead.
"Takes care of what? It sounds like you're saying that because atheists made up a monster, that monster therefore is proven to not exist. Which does not logically follow, unless you are simply saying that you accept as your default position until such time as evidence can be shown to the contrary, that it doesn't exist."
So you mean to tell me that I can make up a FALSE story and a true replicant of it could actually exist in the world somewhere.
Are you chalking it up to possible coincidence scenarios?
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@Stephen
I don't believe any other type of belief exists. Meaning you believe in something because of evidence, no. You just know something exists based on it.
So belief and faith based without evidence, that's goes without saying.
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@IlDiavolo
You still didn't tell me what was the cause. Just say you don't know. It's all good.
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@Sam_Flynn
You have to pay it some mind because you had it in MIND to mark it up .
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@IlDiavolo
No I don't. Do you understand what a thing is?
Let me be more specific than that. A physical thing.
Saying God is everything, you're talking about pantheism.
I thought I specifically mentioned the spirit of God.
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@FLRW
Sure. You and me both. Just call me Santa Claus.
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@sadolite
Ok well let me ask the question.
Does man lose faith in himself because he gets in his own way?
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@zedvictor4
Are you saying "no, we would not believe in ourselves leaving us the choice to do so"?
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@Sam_Flynn
My point your neutral on it so you color it up.
Thanks.
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@IlDiavolo
Well what caused them to be stronger?
Something had to cause it.
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@Best.Korea
You want a woman to live . That very woman is a wife you want to obey her husband that tells her to get out of the way of that moving vehicle about to strike her down.
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@IlDiavolo
So long story short, you can't say whether God is a thing or not.
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@Double_R
"Do you pray to Zeus? Thor? The Flying Spaghetti Monster? I'm guessing you don't. If not why not? Have you proven they don't exist?"
Simple answer off the top is I never looked into those first two figures. The third one I understand is made up by atheists themselves so that takes care of that.
That is my answer. You asked me a question then answered for me.
No my answer is since you asked,I never looked into those first two figures. The third one I understand is made up by atheists
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@zedvictor4
If we had the choice to believe in ourselves, would we not?
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@sadolite
I guess this is why man loses faith in himself because he'll get in his own way (interfering with himself).
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@Best.Korea
Why have more faith in yourself than God when you're going to disappoint your own self in life time and time again? When you're going to do things you regret and possibly hate yourself for. Do you follow?
When man says he's going to do something tomorrow and doesn't do it. Either because he made excuses, quit, chickened out or worse, didn't even wake up.
You don't have faith in God but have faith you're going to wake up the next morning. Besides that, to possibly not deliver on your own promises(prayers).
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@Best.Korea
Do you want a woman to live her life with her rights attached and in the utmost happiness possible?
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@Statichead
Yes.
Well when I speak of gender I speak of the physical which is very real and not fictitious.
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@n8nrgim
I guess you may think it's fair to say that society is geared for women to be just as dominant regardless of nature. So we have discussions about equality, men and women sports, making certain job roles more gender neutral.
Job roles such as stewardess to flight attendant, waitress to server, secretary to administrative assistant.
For the longest I didn't know about that last one. I believe the word "actress" has been abandoned and they're all called actors alike.
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@Best.Korea
Do you want a wife to obey her husband?
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@IlDiavolo
Same account and name. Do you think because of the type of society being pushed with feminism and what have you that women are head of men particularly wives being the head of their husbands?
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@Best.Korea
Do you think that a wife should be over her husband?
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