Mharman

“How to fight misinformation” typically means you’re just spewing about how the other side is misinformation. Typically rife with ad homs as well.

Interesting question and I like a non-toxic religion forum post. However, I don’t think I have an answer for this one. My Christian beliefs have only been reinforced after a lot of thinking I’ve done.

Thanks. Just don’t give mafia every possible fake claim so that they still have the freedom to craft one of their own if they want to. Forgot to mention that.

Oh and a side note: I know mafia teams will try to have town claim first to see what town characters are already in the game to avoid getting CC’d. But this would be different because in my idea they would be using town claims to gauge the benefits of each fake claim already given to them. It would make fake claiming a little easier on mafia teams, but still require some skill to pick the better ones from the pool.

I get that. It feels like finding a fake claim is entirely random as mafia. If you aren’t gutsy enough to pick a major-ish character, you have to be really good at blending in that game to survive. Get too aggressive with your fake claim pick and you get CC’d. Even if your pick is picked with the right amount of aggression, it may not fit the theme perfectly and you get lynched anyways. If the mod gives fake claims, they have to perfectly be not too detectable, but not a free pass for the rest of the game either.

But yeah, it gets people talking. This game too. Disc’s idea of gender claiming was the center of DP1 and kickstarted the game. Without one, DP1 can feel like a glorified RVS.

I did find something interesting while digging through Lunatic’s past games. In Overwatch Mafia, he gave the scum team a pool of safe fake claims to choose from. I like this and I think the solution may lie in an evolved form of this idea.

What if we gave the mafia a pool of fake claims, but specifically designed some of the claims to be better than others, and made sure mafia was aware that some are better than others? Sure, they still have to do a bit of research to pick a good fake claim, but with some fake claims already on the table, it becomes less random when picking one since you know the choices provided aren’t going to be CC’d. It would, in theory, encourage mafia to try to get town to claim first so they can see which fake claim picks from the pool are the best, and it would mean they have to try to get more out of town while avoiding the suspicions of town.

Ok. I will some time after work today

Makes sense.

Sooo…….

Are you going or am I, Supa?

Random Number Generator. It would mean a mafia game where the setup is crated by randomization. Not sure how many people would actually want to play such an unbalanced game though. I might go with something else, but it could be a neat experiment to see what would happen.

Oh he put his game on hold mid sign-ups. So he's ahead of me.

Supa, do you want to post your sign ups or do you want to wait and have me post mine?

Wait, was Supa supposed to be ahead of me? I thought Kanye West's Discography Mafia was already played.

As for you, just keep playing. There are worse rookie mistakes one can make. *Glances at WaterPhoenix*

Ooooh I never caught on to that.

Wouldn't have mattered anyways, since if I did I probably would have gone for Supa instead.

All can say is, I'm giving potential lynch targets more time to defend themselves next game.

But honestly, if town is faced with a claimed survivor and still mislynches two townies AND those townies they lynched accurately claimed their power roles before getting lynched, town doesn't deserve to win. Period.

GGs.

Maybe. But overall Survivors go with whoever's winning. If we had done better early game, he may have sided with us. Was kinda hoping he would side with town in DP3 just to avenge Badger for the humor of it.

I got 2 out of 3 in the end. Given my history of being bad at the game, I'll take it, even if it comes with asterisks. I was going to save Mikal for last since he was hunter, and he would be forced to vote himself or die with 1 mafioso remaining coming into what would've been DP5. I wanted Whiteflame -> Sui -> Mikal. But I was wrong on Whiteflame so I never would've made it that far.

Next time a survivor pops up, it's a policy lynch. No getting distracted by potential mafia. Period.

No, I do. I just only remembered the first couple lines.

Yes I now indentify as a woman to make ur mum gay lol

You! You are gae!

Ok I'll stop posting.

Hammer O'Clock.

no tic tac toe, cancelled.

:(

nevermind grey hammered

bruh just wait 'till morning to see it if you're that tired

Unless you wanna go for some tic tac toe?

Sooooo, anyone wanna play tic tac toe while we wait? I'll start.

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one of you, anyways

hammer the vtnl, please

Hail mary and all the twelve disciples and all the saints strats, don't mind me.

In case we do have something weird, there has been a change of plan: Cop between Whiteflame, Supa, and Pie randomly with the die.

Anyways, just kill me this NP. I feel like I was a major contributor to Earth's and Airmax's mislynches, so just give me a fitting end.

You know, you never did provide a reasoning for Rachel being the hunter.

cast the vtnl hammer, please.

Well if any of my fellow townies do have something, I hope they use it.

We were living on a prayer this DP anyways. I had a whole hail mary strategy planned out, but it all hinged on greyparrot's choice anyways.

Yeah. You and Sui, so was Pie the third or did he give up? If he gave up, who was it?

cool. was it a 3-man team or just you and Sui?

Either way, probs GGs.

or are you town and just giving up, Pie?

We all know one is Sui, and I figured one was Mikal (admittedly for a different reason than reality- was tying him to his defense of Whiteflame), but you too, Pie?

Dang.

I don't think there's a separate faction. I think this is GGs.

What causes you to townread him so heavily?

Earlier I said the low odds of a town magistrate were questionable due to a small sample size. But I forgot that this town magistrate claim hinges on the existence of a redirector or bus driver, the investigations of which do have a much larger sample size. So the odds of a town magistrate in this game are still low with a method that can’t be discredited by pointing out the small sample size. 

To reiterate, there is a low chance of magistrates being town in games they appear in and there is a low chance of there being the bus driver or redirector that the idea of this magistrate being town hinges on.

Now let’s move on to theme analysis. Before we lynched Airmax last DP, I concluded the split was Navarros vs. Else. This was part of my reasoning for the lynch. But clearly that was wrong. I now think it could be Marty Byrde and allies vs. Everyone else. The character of Charles Wilkes is a clear cut ally of Marty, manipulating the vote that allows Marty to continue a casino project. 

Claiming magistrate and using it on an obviously scum teammate afterwards are both very risky gambits that a lot of scum teams would never pull. I cannot understate this. Whiteflame is an experienced player.

And let’s talk about theme here, too. Ruth Langmore was town, and she was Marty’s business partner. This could mean Marty Byrde could be a town role, so in this case there would be no evidence of Charles Wilkes being a scum character.

Supa has claimed gramps, a role which MafiaUniverse has said is exclusively scum. He

may have also had a scum teammate telling him to fake a mod mistake, since a modding mistake has not been confirmed. He is jumping all over the place and is now OMGUSing Pie out perhaps desperation to not be caught. And Buddy Dieker in the show is a terminally ill old man who doesn’t do too much in the show, so the possibility of a fake claim is there.

If Lunatic did include the Gramps role, he could flip it to town if he thinks it can be used as a town role. The town utility to the Gramps role is undeniable if Lunatic went that route.

Another thing is that a modding mistake is possible, given that I had to point out to Lunatic a mistake of his earlier. It had no bearing on how the DP ended, but it was a mistake nonetheless. As for confirmation on a modding mistake in Supa’s PMs, we will likely never get it from Lunatic. Confirming there was a mistake would tell town too much about Supa, and that in itself could be seen as a mod helping town too much.

Finally let’s talk about that OMGUS of Pie. This can just as likely be towny since he could be OMGUSing out of a sense that Pie is only going after him because he is scum. An incorrect notion for sure, but many town players have done this in the past.

Now let’s talk theme one more time. If Buddy Dieker isn’t a fake claim, he is an objectively townie character who only gets used by Marty.

First, I don’t see any reason to believe both are scum anymore after thinking about and typing up this post. Supa has no reason to bus a teammate in MYLO. All of the mafia could push for a single mislynch and end the game right here right now, and imagine it is what they want to do. Plus, Supa has been scumreading Whiteflame since last DP, when he first claimed magistrate.

Despite the number of paragraphs, the argument for Supa being scum is just as strong as the case for Whiteflame being scum. However, Supa does have a much stronger case for being town than Whiteflame.

First, if one is mafia, claiming town magistrate isn’t a huge risk until you use it incorrectly for town benefit to the point where you have to rely on the claim of a redirector or bus driver, which didn’t happen until the DP after he claimed it. So I can see why Whiteflame would maybe try it if mafia hadn’t thought of protecting Sui from getting lynched yet. As early in DP2 as it was, they likely hadn’t.

Second, if there was any time to take a risk for mafia, it could be now. One mislynch is all it takes. If they go all in and get it, they don’t have to worry about any repercussions of the risk next DP since they will have already won and there won’t be one. I know I said Whiteflame may not take the risk due to being experienced, but experience may also yield the knowledge of when to take such a risk, and that would be now if there was ever a time for the scum team.

Third, Ruth Langmore, although Marty was a father figure, she wasn’t completely loyal to him always. She tired to kill him at point in the show. So Marty doesn’t have to be on the same team as her, and is this on the table for scum, putting Charles Wilkins back on the table for scum.

With that being said, I’ve made my selection for now. It is a hard choice between Whiteflame and Supa, and I pick Whiteflame.

After re-reading the DP. I can see reasons why either Whiteflame or Supa could be scum, maybe even both.

You know, the first half of this DP went kinda fast. I want to reread it from an updated point of view.

Correction: Magistrate and votestealer are NOT the same. Disregard “votestealer” in my research.

I swear every time I have a neat idea I keep nearly ruining it by getting some small thing mixed up.

How about the Dan Snyder Clown Show?

Why are you gae?

ok.

Anyways, I'm going to bed.