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Still, Supa’s behavior in this situation makes me think he is there is merit to Lunatic giving him a town aligned mafia role, and Supa did just give examples of Lunatic flipping roles’ alignments around in previous games.
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Oh good lord I am stupid. I was looking at where it says “blank” under alignment I. The box at the top right on the page and didn’t even notice what it said right at the top of the paragraph, my bad.
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Supa has no reason to lie. If he were scum he could CC this and some heightened suspicion on ComputerNerd could result in him pushing ComputerNerd to get the game ending mislynch but he WITHDREW HIS CC. And if Supa is telling the truth here, I conclude he is most likely telling the truth about being Gramps and Supa is very likely town based on behavior along with this new information. And ComputerNerd would be telling the truth too since he would have a motive to say Supa is guilty. And I don’t see them being in a scum team together either; Supa CC’d ComputerNerd and he would have no reason to bus his teammate if he were mafia unless he intended to pull it back and fake a mistake from Lunatic, but I don’t think that’s the case.
So I think both are town. But that would leave Pie and Mikal on a scum team together with Sui, which I don’t think is possible either. Pie just said we could lynch Mikal and have Mikal shoot someone. Pie has no reason to bus Mikal. I know I’m town and I think ComputerNerd being town + my claim of Russ and theme analysis should confirm me. Plus, I’d have no reason to try make ComputerNerd be more active if I were scum; upon getting the Emissary knowledge I would’ve told my scum teammates to kill him in the night if I were scum. For me to be scum, I would have to have been planning everything, including the Emissary claim and pressuring of ComputerNerd for activity that would back up the Emissary claim before he claimed cop. Do you really think the guy who forgot how a ninja worked would be capable of that? You could say I was planning to forget how ninja worked, but I am not capable of that. I even said before the game started in sign-ups that I was not good at the game.
But that only leaves two mafia, Sui and Mikal or Pie. So who’s fake claiming? Whiteflame? Greyparrot? Neither are a great answer, so if I’m wrong on a town read let me know and why.
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@Vader
I believe that honestly. I had to point out a mistaken vote count to Lunatic earlier. So I guess ComputerNerd did visit Supa.
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You know, MafiaUniverse does say Gramps has no specific alignment, so whoever said it was exclusively mafia was wrong. I should’ve fact checked it earlier?
But this is no guarantee. Gramps can be scum or town, and if Supa is scum, he can CC ComputerNerd to make him our lynch. If Supa is town, ComputerNerd is definitely scum.
This does make me consider the idea: What if ComputerNerd was told to noob slip and claim cop? Seems very risky from mafia, so not very likely, especially since the slip happened early in the game. But still it can be considered.
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@ILikePie5
I thought of that too, but I am confirming it with Lunatic right now that the game won’t end. Waiting for a response.
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I just don’t see how Charles Wilkes isn’t a magistrate. There’s no way he is JOAT, so the question will be scum or town magistrate. I think town based on Whiteflame’s behavior.
So JOAT must be someone else.
Or ComputerNerd really is scum. But behavior and game theory tells me he is town.
Mikal and Pie. I am still leaning on Pie.
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Mafia JOAT? Used something else in the night instead?
Maybe like a redirect?!
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
Ugh I think it’s between Pie and Mikal for me this DP. Leaning on Pie.
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@ILikePie5
Upon seeing the results that’s completely fair
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@ILikePie5
Like seriously how do you not vote Supa here?
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@ILikePie5
Then unless Grey isn’t TP or something I think you’re the last one, not Mikal. Because as of now, I strongly believe Whiteflame wasn’t lying.
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Again, to reiterate and to fix a typo:
Why would Whiteflame make such a risky WIFOM that implicates him if town randomly decides it does, if he were really mafia?
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@ILikePie5
I still think it’s WIFOM from Whiteflame.
I disagree. He doesn't know what we'll choose to do so why would he even risk calling for a vote block on Sui if he were mafia, knowing it can implicate him if town randomly decides to. Not all WIFOM plays are good ones, and I respect Waterflame's experience in this game to the level where I think he would not try such a risky WIFOM.
Either way, can you agree that Supa is scummy?
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I want to see ComputerNerd's result first. Even if he was likely roleblocked again, it doesn't hurt to check. I want to give him time as well.
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@Mikal
I agree to go for Supa for the Gramps claim (among other reasons, pushing for Whiteflame a little too hard would be one), but if I'm looking toward a mastermind, it could be you or Pie. I'm going with Pie for now since he also pushing really hard on Whiteflame, and I think you've pointed out way too much solid logic for me to give you any other read than town atm.
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@Mikal
not counting parrot because I dont know what to do with him or if hes actually joint or tp
I think he is TP. If he hit scum out of a miracle and he isn't killed for helping town do it, I may be willing to reconsider my viewpoint.
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@Mikal
So for me, two out of Pie, Supa, and you are scum.
Unless whiteflame really is scum then it's just one out of you three.
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@Mikal
I don't see why wf would target sui. The second max flipped, sui was confirmed scum. Why would mafia protect him, it basically just ties himself to him. I don't see the play in this with mafia
True. I thinking lynching Whiteflame here is too risky, and we can't lynch Sui here. Grey is TP; I just can't see a way he's not. We have to choose a lynch from one of us five. I know I'm town, and I firmly believe ComputerNerd is town. So for me, two out of Pie, Supa, and you are scum.
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@ILikePie5
That could be a slip of the tongue. I was thinking redirector as well, possibly a mafia JOAT, given how many potential scum abilities we've seen
POTENTIAL scum abilities, not confirmed ones.
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Whiteflame being manipulated to look like Sui's scum partner could be the real WIFOM from the scum team.
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We can't vote Sui, so we have to vote someone else. I think Sui is scum, but we can't vote him. We need this DP to think. Don't waste your vote. Don't use it yet.
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@ILikePie5
That could be a slip of the tongue. I was thinking redirector as well, possibly a mafia JOAT, given how many potential scum abilities we've seen.
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@Vader
NO WAIT. We have to learn from our mistakes. We didn't give Earth enough time. We didn't give Airmax enough time. Let's give Whiteflame some time.
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I was literally dumb enough to forget how ninja worked. I think the idea of me failing to clarify my reasoning for thinking there was a godfather is well within reason.
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I'm pretty sure mharm just scum slipped. He stated affirmatively a god father existed lmfao
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@Mikal
Just based on there being a cop in the game in the form of ComputerNerd.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
No that’s not how Ninjas work. Unless it’s some weird modifier of another action. Ninjas aren’t detectable for NKs, but WF wasn’t NKed. And WF wasn’t roleblocked or anything like either.
Oh WOW I'm so stupid. Sui has to be lying but then how did he get blocked by Whiteflame? Scratch the ninja. I'm dumb.
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@Mikal
On second thought, there is a problem with that theory. We have a magistrate, are roleblocker, a ninja, and a godfather on one mafia team. That's four roles. There can't be four mafia unless there's two scum teams of two, OR if there is a mafia JOAT. We have a town one and this game is pure role madness, so why not a mafia JOAT?
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@ILikePie5
You lied about watching WF and seeing nothing. Max is town so he wasn’t lying when he visited WF.
WAIT. What if there's a mafia ninja in the game. Sui could be telling the truth then and not have seen anything. Whiteflame is scum now for sure but I think mafia wants us to think we lynch Whiteflame then Sui. I think mafia is trying to WIFOM us.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
Sui is the roleblocker I bet. They want him alive for one more night phase.
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@ILikePie5
Why would you in a million years target Sui? He’s literally scum
Oh WOW. Whiteflame better have a good justification for this.
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I figured it was Airmax based off of theme analysis, but it was one of the two, and it has been revealed to not be Airmax. Sui didn't watch ComputerNerd, and while Airmax can say he was afraid of him being targeted and ComputerNerd being killed along with him, Sui cannot make that argument since he claimed watcher.
Before I cast my vote for Sui, I would like to know a few things first.
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@Vader
I don't think that's relevant. America has done many things good and bad in it's past (like literally every nation in existence), and it's ridiculous to suggest NOT naming a Washington D.C. team something patriotic just because some people find the country itself to be offensive.
Would've liked the Admirals better though.
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@thett3
If you like someone’s perspective join in on the conversation
Yeah true. But then we'll have people posting "+1." instead of liking the comment. The reality is, people who don't care enough about the conversation to comment on it aren't going to contribute regardless, whether it would be posting a +1 or a like button. At least the like button doesn't take up space on the page.
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I don’t care about what is trending on Twitter and I don’t really feel like debating whether or not furry porn is fatphobic or some stupid shit like that. It’s all brain cancer so I’ve learned to stay off of that platform.
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@Vader
You probably had the most accurate bracket of anyone on this site.
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