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We may not get enough to lynch either but as long as we at least get the info out of them it’s a W in my book.

If we can’t get a lynch on either of them we  are forced to go for Grey which I am fine with

I’m bored so I’m putting my reads on a scale. Not including myself because it’s pretty obvious I would townread myself and not including Greyparrot because I think he really is a Survivor.

Most Town

ComputerNerd

Disc

Mikal

Whiteflame

Pie

Sui

Supa (could swap with Badger)

Badger

Earth (jumps up and keeps Airmax down with believable claim)

Airmax (jumps up and sends Earth further down with believable claim)

Most Scum

He isn’t a top priority right now for me anyways, just a possibility down the road I think could be true.

I just would like ComputerNerd to tell us if he’s vigilante or not. If he is, I think he should shoot Grey 100%.

Maybe. My thing is that his logic to me seems so unreasonable and his ideas so unrealistic that I suspect him. If I’m wrong or if his logic is better than I thought, he can debunk me at any time if he feels compelled to do so. I won’t be afraid to admit being wrong on him if I get a compelling argument. But for now, I’m just suspicious of him.

If you could full claim that may be very helpful

Regardless I think we need to pressure Airmax for a full claim as well.

yeah I know I was typing post #258 while you said that

Forgot to add this at the end of last post: 

In conclusion, I 100% agree if we don’t get a claim from Earth, they’re out lynch.

I think there is a town possibility for Earth there is a reverse theme split, but no claim here is uncooperative and therefore inherently scummy.

I suppose we can wait for DP2 to go for Grey if ComputerNerd isn’t a vigilante. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that a lynch on Earth or Airmax right now is more important than getting Grey out. The early theme knowledge is just too valuable.

Also, regarding theme, Navarros Cartel and Associates vs. Byrdes and Everyone Else can make sense too.

What’s interesting is that Airmax’s and Earth’s characters would be opposite any way you slice it.

Helen is a lawyer for the Navarros, but she helps Marty Byrde a lot, so she could be on the mafia if the Navarros are the scum team or if the Byrdes are the scum team. In both of those theme splits, Jacob Snell is likely town. If it is a main protagonists vs. main antagonists split, Jacob Snell is likely mafia, and Helen, with her somewhat positive association with Marty is likely town as well.

So honestly if we get a believable town role claim from Earth, we may want to pressure Airmax for a full claim.

If nothing comes up we can go back and lynch Greyparrot, but as I stated when listing the pros and cons of lynching Greyparrot, it does concede some knowledge in the early game, and that knowledge seems to be theme split knowledge. While I want to get rid of Grey for the chaos he can cause, I think the knowledge we get from lynching Airmax or Earth is better. A lynch on Greyparrot gives little information on theme since Charlotte is a character, who despite helping her family sometimes, seems to want to get out of her family’s crime business. The Charlotte = survivor idea can make sense in any of the proposed theme splits, so his flip will tell us little.

Personally, I hope ComputerNerd is a vigilante so that we can have him shoot Grey to get him out of the game, and then we can lynch Airmax or Earth.

Oh, and why.

So the question is: What role are you and why?

While Jacob Snell is someone who has opposed Marty Byrde, the main character (making this claim troubling), I can see the idea of a reverse theme split. From what I’ve read about the show, Marty and his family cause a lot of chaos in what was previously a balanced organized crime space, and the idea of The Byrdes vs. Everyone Else isn’t all that complicated, it takes only slight theme knowledge that can be researched easily.

So I think it may be best to hold off on lynching Earth for now depending on what answer we get from Earth on this question:

Earth, what role are you?

On second thought, if a are a vigilante, you should tell us so that we can determine who you should shoot (if it is decided you should use it at all).

Yes. Post #240 for more details. I was just trying to get you to be active, a character claim was the last thing I wanted from you, and a power role claim was even worse.

Oh well. What has happened had happened. Just do what you can and cross your fingers you get lucky in the night.

Ok this is a noob mistake that I won’t hold against you too much but if you have a power role as town, keep it secret for some time. Mafia is 100% going to kill you in the next night phase (NP1) now, likely nullifying whatever power role you have.

 

Unless your power role passively kills mafia, then you want to bait mafia.

As for the current situation: If you are a vigilante, I would say don’t use it, if you are a bomb, don’t reveal that. If you are what I think you are, use it even though you’re probably dead anyways.

You gathered something different about Helen than I did from Wikipedia?

Oh geez. If there is a doctor or some protective role PLEASE PROTECT COMPUTERNERD TONIGHT.

Good for now. Seems to be a huge advisor to Marty, this Helen

Ask Lunatic if you feel compelled to do so.

Also looking at the show on Wikipedia, I think we'll see at least some of these guys, so it may be in our interest to preemptively slot them into an affiliation:

Marty Byrde (likely town)

Wendy Byrdy

Ruth Langmore

Jonah Byrde (probably vanilla town if present)

Camino Del Rio

Jacob Snell (likely mafia)

Darlene Snell (likely mafia)

Roy Petty (power role?)

And don't think I forgot about you. You will be pressured DP2 if you don't post.

Fair. Do you think you could get off of Grey real quick just to add pressure to Earth and then get back on Grey once we get answers from them?

Oh, and then lynch someone if we get an obvious scum slip from them. If we don't, Grey is the best option.

Priorities for me are:

1. Pressure Earth

2. Pressure Earth more (if needed)

3. Pressure Airmax

4. Lynch (Earth or Airmax if we get a scum slip, Grey if we don't)

Guys we still have all of Sunday. No need to lock in until later in Sunday. I think we just need to quickly pressure some players.

Then either way (mafioso or not giving a fuck) he is being a detriment to town and we should pressure him, too. If you want a game with other active players, get rid of the inactives or pressure them into activity.

Character claim?

My hyper-posting wasn't out of pressure I felt. It was out of boredom. A game with few active players at the time does little to keep me engaged, so I made my own engagement.

So my strongest town read is Disc. Coming up with the idea to gender claim was honestly a great idea, and I can’t see how mafia can abuse it (not with this theme), no matter how much paranoia I can develop at times. Aside from that he has been consistent in just about everything he posts.

I’ve posted about this before, but I believe Grey is a Survivor. Too risky to try as mafia. Period.

ComputerNerd is a tossup. No activity.

Airmax might be mafia given the lurking Supa pointed out, but there isn’t much else.

The more I think about it, the less I think there is hard evidence on Sui being scum. He contributed to the gender claim idea, claiming male in post #84. As for his theme knowledge, I have seen theme knowledge related contributions from him in Posts #64 and #112. While it isn’t much, he hasn’t posted much in this game in general. Unlike Airmax, there hasn’t been any lurking, at least not that I see.

Mikal has a lot of logic I agree with. Pretty much everything he has said has made a lot of sense to me. He is hesitant to condemn Sui but doesn’t outright defend him, and his presentation of Earth as a better push target also makes way more sense. While agreeing with me isn’t a complete town read, it certainly isn’t a scum read either; considering that some of those statements of his go against the grain of what looks like knee jerk reactions from other players, I especially don’t think he is buddying anyone. I lean town on him.

I honestly can’t read Pie right now, not based on any of his posts. His thoughts on me are not an indicator of affiliation. I am NOT going to be OMGUSing someone again.

Earth is interesting to me. His post asking if there is a womanizer in the game makes no sense to me. Perhaps if he was a character who was the victim of such an act the idea of them trying to analyze the theme would make sense. I would like a character claim from them. Maybe a role claim as well if the character claim yields more questions than answers.

Supa reads null. He has a good point on Airmax though.

Badger honestly seems scum to me. Earth is someone we should be pressuring (Airmax for activity + lurk too) and he blatantly attempts to shift the focus away from both Airmax and Earth to focus Sui, someone who we have no concrete evidence on. No hesitation whatsoever. He wants to lynch someone, but his only reasoning is “too much energy from first post”. You’d think even if he wanted to keep the game interesting he’d want to pick someone with more inconsistencies, like maybe Earth. Also I hate his logic on relying on the mafia team to kill inactives. They are not going to do that and I think Grey is still a better lynch he could’ve thrown out for the sake of a lynch. Being survivor, he might as well be inactive because his life contributes nothing to town. His death does a little though since a lynch on him has been a key discussion this DP. Even still he doubles down on Sui, when it is still too early to lock in right now.

Whiteflame is weird to me. While the debate around pressuring Earth or Sui is key, he seems to be suspicious of both. Mikal seems the be as well, but he does more to outline his reasoning, which I think is only because he is more active in general. Ever so slightly town. Could honestly be null.

I think I have pinged all of the current inactives. Now I wait. :/

Unless Airmax refuses gender claim. That can lead to more questioning of him.

Also, if we’re pressuring Airmax for a gender claim more than we are for activity I still like a policy lynch on Grey better.

Yo.

Activity?

Ping for activity 

Idk. Why?

What would make the idea dumb?

You have failed the activity check. Engaging in pressure.

Logic? I think I get your read on Sui, but definitely not on whiteflame.

I kinda like pressuring ComputerNerd for activity. Apparently his activity last game was shoddy, and he has done nothing to improve from that so far.

I had a plan for every Pokemon of every battle in the League and Survivor was key to dealing with a lot of the Pokemon from Bertha and Flint's teams, so now I have to get more creative with my planning.

If Grey is to believed (and I think he is), what do we do with him?

A Survivor only cares for surviving, regardless of who wins between town and mafia. In a MYLO/LYLO scenario the scum and town could be obvious, and he wouldn't care. He could just flip a coin and that could be game. Still, I have no idea if mafia wants to kill him either, since they would probably be more pre-occupied with killing townies. On the other hand, they may have a desire to kill him if he starts voting with town, or if it benefits them to get a mislynch on him late game.

Honestly I wonder if we should just lynch him now so he can't make it to the late game. Too many things can go wrong for town if he makes it too far. Between him not participating in critical town pushes on an obvious scum, him being mislynched if it comes down to the wire, and him actively voting against town to avoid being killed by the scum team, the possibilities of what chaos he can cause are concerning.

A policy lynch on Grey would mean no scum or townie is lynched this DP (meaning less info for town early on and a guaranteed non-scum lynch) but further chaos down the road is avoided. Thoughts?