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Only Savant bothered to engage. Wylted is a weird pick. No I did not get an impression off Wylted based on that one post he made at the start of the game lol
Initially I had felt Mikal was selling what he did from last game a little too hard… I also find it weird that everyone kept quiet the second I asked my questions from earlier, especially for someone who started the game like a rocket… but maybe that means he’s not selling it if he stopped?
The reads give me pause. They look legit, when I think about the two players he did choose to pressure. Admittedly I’m having an equally hard time reading him now.
I’ll think I’ll just drop my first impression and reset, look elsewhere for clues on him.
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And just like that, the lobby slows to a crawl, after a hot start…
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@Savant
Taking a page out of my book I see.
I have a first impression on someone, but like you I want to wait and see a little pit as well.
I guess I’ll say I have a first impression on someone. Guess who
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@ILikePie5
Yes and no. Scum still doesn’t like to burn all their questions early before they’ve gotten other townies to claim. The pressure can work- I learned that two games ago. I got lucky some people trusted me enough not to push for my full claim back there.
I think the current format incentivizes getting a few other townies to claim first. Not too different from a normal game tbh, but you can getting away with planning to full claim in the middle of the pack, instead of at the end in this format I think.
I think there’s a bigger question to ask here. I’ll leave that up to your interpretation. Curious what you’ll think.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AdaptableRatman
Yeah I can agree with that RM.
Lunatic, I’ve correctly sussed/caught Whiteflame three times off his claims (other stuff too but the claims were always the first clue)… I’m not gonna count this one tho
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
Cmon Pie.
Greyparrot, promise not to claim at the very start?
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@Mikal
If there was an MVP I’d nominate Mikal. He didn’t do all that much, but no one did more than he. Tbh, none of us had to do much to win this one.
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Bruh. So not only was Mikal being town rigged, but the PM mistake meant scum had their fake claims limited by the mod. I guess it was better than just letting them fake claims limited those things and get destroyed after the PM mess up, but still
Game was cooked from the start 🥀
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I think we can conclude that there is no specific way in which Whiteflame is bad at fakeclaiming- he just has woes when it comes to that, in every way.
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@Lunatic
Dude I fell for it at the end too cause I over analyzed something small I noticed
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Well we got a freebie. Whiteflame will recover from this I’m sure, That2 has some work to do
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@whiteflame
Dude I wanted that last read to be correct so badly because it would’ve been nutty
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@whiteflame
I overcomplicated things at the end. You just fucked up bigly. Sad!
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Moozer v Lunatic is gonna be hard. Still leaning Lunatic, but the small sample size with Moozer bothers me.
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But I finally locked tf in today and I think I usually know when Whiteflame is scum
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Honestly was just troubled by his claim and low activity last night
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Btw the three past scum games of Whiteflame I mentioned are all games where I correctly sussed him. I’m trusting myself here.
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Holy shit I think my read from yesterday was wrong
Whiteflame
So his claim sucks. I agree that he’s bad at fake claiming, but the reason is because he claims something specifically designed to keep him alive. Either something safe that wouldn’t raise eyebrows (Strengthener, Ace Attorney Mafia- obv we sus strengthener a lot now, but it was safe at the time), or it was something that was designed to disincentivize lynching him (suicide bomb - Bo Burnham Mafia). Meanwhile, his claim here lacks that trait.
Additionally, I don’t hate the justification, and bad justifications are usually a feature of his fake claims (other aforementioned games, plus Diary Mafia iirc).
It is for this reason that the claim is a departure from his past scum games. I had considered the idea of a slapdash claim, with the idea of an added JOAT to “roll for deception” under fast pressure from Mikal, but honestly, if he were to send up a prayer, he has no reason not to just leave his claim at commuter, which would be what Whiteflame would normally do as scum anyway.
Also, his night actions seem consistent with his role (roleblocker is objectively the best tool in his kit), and he did hint that one of his roles was the one he’d specifically use. The decision to say he has at least one interference role, but not reveal the other was a clever way of letting town know his role has something normally scum, while holding his cards.
Also I knew there was room for a commuter in the setup, it just felt weird because there’s normally only one type of those roles per game. But price how there’s no (claimed, anyway) protective roles- now hider + commuter makes more sense.
And the piece de resistance (which inspired this whole turnaround for me):
post 181 of DP1:
Car issue’s largely resolved. Going to eat something and then catch up again.
Seems innocuous, right? But it’s worth noting that at the time, That2 had been CC’d. You’d think since that2 made such a mistake, she’d be apologizing up and down the scum PM, and Whiteflame would’ve seen it. Instead, the first chance he gets to check in, he just says he’s going to catch up more later. I’m thinking if he were scum, he would make note of the CC and vote that2 before going to lunch, not after he comes back from it.
Again it might be too late, but if he flips town I know where I went wrong. And if he flips scum he was just a shitter this game, no offense. I am partially basing my read off of him not being terrible this game.
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Shit. I think last nights scumread of Whiteflame was horribly wrong
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Banana
Banana is town. The decision to leak PM info early was standard for her town play. F-16 was an old user on DDO and so the PM info can’t be faked if she’s that2’s teammate.
I did neglect the possibility of it just being a part of the PM but with another role, but considering that Banana has been willing to test her role, it can’t be a fake claim. If she were claiming her real role as scum she would’ve voted Whiteflame a lot sooner
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@whiteflame
@iamanabanana
Post 62 should be the hammer if all is normal here
Both of you unvote just in case
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Alr I finished my deep dive.
I’m down to go for Whiteflame because I think he is the scummiest. If he does flip town my sus will be on Lunatic over Moozer. Some interesting discrepancies in his play that I don’t think anyone else has seen. He has a few townie things to counter, but not enough. Small sample size on Moozer’s posts unfortunately. Some good some bad there too but with the bad I kinda think he’s just being weird again.
Will expand on this in the morning.
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@Bullish
Does a journalist get results from a cop the same night a cop dies?
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Whiteflame/Lunatic/Moozer... my original pool from the end of the DP1. lol. Excuse me while I go on a deep dive.
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Banana being ready to verify her role tells me she's not fakeclaiming. She's town.
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Admittedly double voter being a fake claim is possible, although it looks unlikely. Banana is not town confirmed, although I still like her behavior.
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@Moozer325
Depends on what you thought he was in that scenario.
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@Moozer325
In the situation where I'm scum and the redirector, it frankly makes no sense for me to do what I did. I would have known Pie was a cop, and statically it's more likely from my POV that he picks a town member than me. My best course of action would be to redirect him to me, and get an easy mislynch, but that didn't happen. I somehow knew that he would cop me, so I used a whole action working on the assumption that he was going to cop me, and I redirected him to someone I knew was town. It doesn't really make sense.
How would you have known Pie was a cop come NP1?
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@Moozer325
Not sure yet. I was supposed to do some analysis last DP, but I decided to do other things with my day (older sister is in town). Allow me to finally get to it.
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Banana is the only one I am 100% sure is town now.
The other three are open, although Whiteflame is still my most likely pick.
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@Moozer325
But is it likely? I know it's on the list but do we have any reason to specifically believe it exists?
Not atm that I can think of, but the potential is worth thinking about.
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Thinking about it, a potential redirector also means we can't just shrug our shoulders and say Moozer is town confirmed either.
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@Moozer325
Lunatic and I aren't town confirmed anymore. Redirector is possible.
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Wait Banana is town.
She could've voted Whiteflame and didn't, if she were scum.
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@Moozer325
Dude I just said we should take our time.
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@Lunatic
Ah redirector. You're right. Neither of us are confirmed then.
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@Moozer325
the thing that gives me pause is how ready he is to self lynch. I want to take our time this DP. This game has been quick.
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