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@ILikePie5
Strongman does not bypass roleblocker. Strongman only bypasses roles which protect the target.
so i can't be strongman either. there you go Pie.
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@ILikePie5
also post 151 was partially meant to draw attention to the fact that I forgot to tag you in 149.
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@Lunatic
What kind of computer systems are we talking hereNo clue
hmmm ok. I was wondering about how much overlap there was between your justification and Pie's
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
yes, I still stand by the idea that brushing off reasons to townread me because of my "muh wifom" is gay and retarded.
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It’s WIFOM.
"Erm actually nothing in your case matters because its all wifom, so I am going to make no effort whatsoever to think about what you would and wouldn't do as scum, even though that means I have no way of reading you behaviorally"
I know you're town but this shit is retarded.
He’s not. He’s my top scumread. If we lynch him, worst case scenario, WF is town and basically makes you look very townie.
Post 135 isn't a ranking then?
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@Bullish
@ILikePie5
pretty sure strongmen can be roleblocked
Bullish, can you verify this please?
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@ILikePie5
oh hey, if you need any more reason to believe I'm town... I would just guess you were the cop if I were mafia and then I wouldn't go through with all of this
anyway, why is Whiteflame middle of the pack for you?
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@ILikePie5
I felt there was an offchance you were scum and worried I was the cop, and that the cop was somewhere else in the setup and didn't claim it. I would mean that someone had cop on top of their role, but I felt that, although small, it was a large enough chance for me to go with it.
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@ILikePie5
I don't regret doing this minmax with you btw. Pleasure doing business with you Pie.
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@Lunatic
I am the Saab 37 Viggen, the 1x journalist. Basically because I was one of the first jets with updated computer systems to aid the pilot in combat tasks, I get enhanced information and am therefore the journalist.
What kind of computer systems are we talking here?
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@ILikePie5
for clarification, I think it would be prudent to think about if your role was messed with... doesn't seem likely I'll stray away from lynching Whiteflame at the end of this
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@ILikePie5
Moozer seems innocent; you're innocent as well and cop.
Down to lynch Whiteflame this DP then. I guess we should briefly consider if your role was messed with then.\
This is a great point in Wylted's favor too, if anyone is hesitant on him
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I am the Harrier Jump Jet. Because my ability to take off vertically allows me to operate without a carrier, I am the Hider. I think Bullish's logic is based on the fact that I'm not with the other aircraft on the carrier, but launching from elsewhere, presumably a spot that is harder to find.
1. I'll admit that the justification may be a little stretchy on Bullish's part- this was an additional reason I looked at Banana's claim favorably in Post #69, a reason that I chose to hide until now.
2. In DP1, I had said Whiteflame's claim was a little, but then mega sus. My thought process here was basically "JOAT? And with Commuter? That's a little sus. WAIT a minute. I have hider- this could be a partial CC. Okay, his claim is mega sus actually."
3. I had an ulterior motive for saying I wanted to get my reads out in case I died in the night. The idea was it'd be coming from a place of me fearing that I would die at the night, hinting that I had an important PR. I'd be drawing the NK to myself, and then I'd have a chance at hiding from it, preventing the NK. I felt this would be helpful because I could ask if someone protected me last night, and if not, it could bait Whiteflame into claiming he used to the commuter to explain the NK in the event he was scum. This would completely screw him over in that event, since he'd be outed on the fact that he didn't use his most useful JOAT role. On top of this, It'd spare someone with a role that is actually important from being nightkilled. Looking back, I think I was a little too subtle in pretending to be afraid of an NK for scum to notice, but that was my idea.
4. Earlier I said in this DP that I had considered fullclaiming last DP. This is because of the aforementioned potential soft CC with Whiteflame. I decided not to because A) I wanted to do the plan I mentioned in Point #3 and B) I felt there was value in me not getting nightkilled if Pie or Moozer is the other scum. Yes, both of those reasons, for clarification.
5. If Whiteflame is telling the truth about his night action, I could not have possibly committed the night kill. If he's lying, he probably scum since, given his claimed JOAT roles, there is no planet on which he should use the commuter or bus driver over roleblock as town. I believe this town confirms me.
6. Because I hid, Lunatic's results make sense. Similar to point #5, although not as strong.
Finally, I will say that I chose to hide behind Pie. I didn't care about dying if Whiteflame is scum because of the partial CC (and again if he's scum and targets me he's screwed anyway based on what I said in point #3), but on the off chance Pie or Moozer was scum, I felt hiding behind one of them was best. I chose Pie bc I felt he was slightly scummier than Moozer.
There you go. Many reasons to townread me.
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the decision to roleblock me from Whiteflame's POV is the most reasonable thing about him claim
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@WyIted
I guess it's also worth noting that Mikal was basically town confirmed, so maybe scum might as well hope he was investigative. Also he said he knew something about Bullish screwing up, so it makes sense to silence him
so now that I think about it maybe it doesn't point to whiteflame as much as I think.
I still think his claim might be the "roll for deception and pray to RNGesus" category, 1. he was pressured early 2. bus driver would go along with that mentality
bus driver certainly doesn't do him any favors regardless
I wonder if we have a Tvellalott throwback on our hands
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*we're both going
in the mean time I'm looking at other stuff.
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@WyIted
we're post going at 11cst 12 est
the reason is for a minmax on the off chance Pie's claim is in territory of what I could reasonably CC, Pie's argument is the same for me
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@WyIted
The Mikal NK is one of the things I have against Whiteflame. I don't think he'd be afraid to that as scum, I'd think he'd notice he's in a rough spot and might as well play to not caring who susses him and hope town spares him. I call the tactic "roll for deception and pray to RNGesus"
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@WyIted
Just rereading last DPs vote count, mharman's vote wasn't on scum
That was because I wanted to post some reads before the DP ends. I would've hammered after posting them if someone else hadn't
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- rolemad (the majority of players have roles)
The following roles can be either town or mafia
- Vanilla/goon
Both of these are from the sign-ups thread. That tracks with Moozer's claim
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@WyIted
I townread you, but that's just DP1 behavioral reads. It's not enough for me to blindly trust you. IfIt's not blind trust if you town read him
Moozer says weird shit but that is dumb logic.
Doesn't really help me tho because I said last DP I wanted to go for one of Whiteflame/Pie/Moozer DP2, and I still feel that way
Lemme check if vanilla is in the list of roles hold on. I do recall BUllish having a definiton of rolemadness that allows for a vanilla or two, but I don't remember if vanilla is on the list
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If I continue to scumread Pie, I don't think it needs to be part of the scumread. There's other reasons
I still don't like Whiteflame's claim btw
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I wonder if Pie is buying more time. It feels kinda dickish to sus something like that bc I can't see what's going on in his life, but that's also why it's weird to me. It rubs me the wrong way but i feel like letting it slide
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@ILikePie5
I’m down at 11pm cst. Gotta do something till then
what could you possibly need to do in the next 10-15 that prevents this. You're already playing mafia rn.
Sure. midnight for me but whatever
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Why don’t you both just claim at the same time? Doesn’t need to be a d1ck measuring contest. Both of you prepare your claim and post it at exactly 11pm. Whoever is late posting will be viewed at as scummy.
I'm down. You down, Pie?
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@Bullish
Would a town double voter's double vote show up in vote counts?
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@ILikePie5
@Moozer325
He also said he's paranoid about how you play the game lol
Moozer, can you settle this for us?
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@WyIted
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
and counterpoint:
Would you rather get the claim first from the guy who:
- Has atrocious logic, said he was gonna sheep but ope nevermind (I never seen Pie say he was going to sheep before anyway), and has followed what everyone else has been doing all game long
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- the guy whose claim you can weigh based on the fact that he said he was considering outing last DP, and will [air with someone's results
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@ILikePie5
@Moozer325
I'm pretty sure Moozer also wants you to go before me lol. If I'm wrong he can say otherwise
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@ILikePie5
Who do you trust more? They guy that basically got That2 lynched with the Stealth/Non Stealth or the guy that townread her based on the logic of “she would never do that as scum” aka WIFOM
You didn't "basically get That2 lynched" you asked her to do the same thing everyone was already going to do, and she chose to fuck up and give extra info. This is a disingenuous argument.
And again, yes I will read people based on what I expect them do as x affiliation. Literally everyone does that when reading others. This an even more disingenuous argument lol
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@iamanabanana
My justification is that there was a user with this name and that’s why I am the double voter. Doesn’t make sense to me either.
This comes across as very honest. I wouldn't say it townlocks her, but it's good sign. I think I recall her outing PM info early in previous town games, only one I can think of rn is Diary Mafia. I guess it would be prudent of me to double check some other games she has played in.
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@ILikePie5
@iamanabanana
Interesting claim from Banana. Noted. Ok well it’s just Pie and I now. Your turn Pie.
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@ILikePie5
Oh, and yes, I did initially townread That2 based on what I expected her to do if she were mafia… almost as if that’s part of how the game is played.
Atrocious logic here
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@ILikePie5
How tf did you cause That2 to get CCed lol
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@ILikePie5
You are objectively the scummiest one reminding lol. It’s not even close.
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@ILikePie5
The reason I townread That2 is because I tend to townread early character claims, because scum takes a risk and has little overall incentive to do so.
There’s a reason why Mikal was shocked That2 would claim like that… it’s a stupid move as mafia and that’s why I townread her before the CC.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@WyIted
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
Let’s get Pie to go first between he, Banana and I. If his claim is good I might consider having Banana claim before me, since he really wants Banana to claim… but if you really want me to claim before Banana, that’s fine.
If you need a reason to trust me not going first, will again say that I was considering fullclaiming last DP, and you’ll see what I mean when I do claim.
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I get that That2 also claimed unnecessarily but Bsnana softed in a specific way and wasn’t cced
The reason I tend to townread early character claims is bc when mafia does it, they run into the exact risk that burned Thst2... so I’m not confident Banana took the risk, just bc That2 did
Other than that, not much to read Banana on
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@ILikePie5
Tag see above. Also, Banana did soft claim character earl, while I don’t like your sheeping from earlier
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I did not suggest it. Luna did
Oh. I still want you to go first anyway
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@ILikePie5
I would never advise That2 to pull that dumb move
I don’t think anyone here would. I think That2 did that without consulting her teammate
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@Moozer325
Yeah if we’re mass claiming I want Pie to go first. He’s the guy who suggested it
VTL Pie
Full claim or die. I’ll go right after you, we can save Banana for last
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@Lunatic
So what specifically made you wonder if I was cop, over anyone else?
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@ILikePie5
Sure. I’m down to mass claim tho… something I considered outing last DP.
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