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lowkey it still might’ve been a little townsided. Very chaotic though. Overall it was still fine.
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@WyIted
I appreciate that but I can't see myself not working a retarded amount of hours for quite some time and this really distracts from my studying
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@WyIted
Last thing I’m gonna say is that it’s best that affiliations don’t get swapped when a universal backup is used. I think in game mechanics it’s best that affiliation and role are treated separately.
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This might sound crazy to some people, but the setup was fine.
I would be calling it townsided if it weren’t for the fact that the killing roles can be such double-edged swords and easily backfire on town.
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@Casey_Risk
Seriously, what the hell was this game?
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@WyIted
role legendary. Once a game can announce they are legendary which does absolutely nothing but it may help you feel better.
Oh good great gravy. I thought about this on theme, but pushed it away cause “Wylted would never include something like this!”
I felt like I was playing out of my mind in some areas this game, but I could’ve done so much better at so many different points this game.
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
town did NOT need more confirmation lol
Fair. My #1 piece of advice for any setup creator is: Do not be redundant. If townhas three or more roles that can do a similar thing, you need to make some cuts. The limit is two; the limit becomes one for the stronger roles + scum roles imo. Maybe you can get away with more in a larger setup, but “less is more” is a great motto for this.
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@ILikePie5
I skimmed em all. You definitely dedicated more time to it than I did.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
Ballsy maneuver stealing the Crab God. Could’ve easily been Hidden Purple Goo or something. I guess with four players you can afford to be a bit ballsier.
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
I’m not banning Greyparrot from my games. Dude just needs to adjust how he plays. I’m ok with having some non-tryhards as well.
I would love to grow the community to a size where we can separate the tryhards from the casuals, but that’s not gonna happen for some time.
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Oh yeah another thing that could have fucked us was that we all sucked at fake claiming this game so basically we kind of all used each others roles. If we had been lynched in a different order would would have fucked each other lol
Ha. I knew the claims were off. Had a feeling there were no protective roles with town. My idea is that if there’s not multiple, then there’s none because wylted isn’t invested in nerfing the town killing roles.
Although come to think of it, town protective roles would just buff the town killing roles, since they have lower odds of hitting town.
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@Lunatic
When you’re caught because of POE over behavior it kind of sucks. But is what it is.
I had behavioral reasons to scumread you. I did feel your early vote on Banana was pretty bold. I would’ve left it there but then you said we were “making a mountain out of a molehill.”
The other one was I knew I was getting buddied, even during DP4.
Did you really waive the NK, as I predicted? I felt like you had to make that play in NP3.
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@Greyparrot
Greyparrot, I’m not gonna pretend I didnt make mistakes, but please be patient in these situations.
Also, don’t have a town meta where you reveal your role at the start. You’ll find that the scum team can’t exploit you as easily when you’re town, and that you don’t have to fake claim right off the bat when you’re scum.
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@WyIted
Yeah. If we’re a bunch of dicks to noobs we won’t have noobs anymore. Mafia will die as a result.
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@Lunatic
Look. You had some good luck, you can’t get too mad when the luck reverses mid game.
At the end of the day, you still won because scum played better than town. GG.
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Honestly I’m kicking myself over not getting Lunatic in DP3 or DP4. Not getting him DP4 was egregious.
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@iamanabanana
Next time, when we tell you to claim, you need to claim
Banana will figure it out and develop her own style in time if she hangs in there
Seconding these statements from Pie and Wylted. Townies very rarely get away with not full claiming when pressured for it in a way that helps town.
Mafia is kinda like chess. There are unofficial rules to play by. You learn those rules first and develop those good habits, and then you learn the rare exceptions where you break the rules. The latter process can take years. I recommend noobs strive to have good fundamentals.
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@iamanabanana
I’m not gonna be harsh on you for this.
You’re still new to this and noobs get destroyed for quite some time before they start getting good at a game like this.
You’re improving.
In theory your CC was a good idea. In reality, we had a bit of non-standard setup for this game. Nothing wrong with this, just that it presents an extra challenge for town. I kinda fell for the false dichotomy between you and Vader as well.
Normally, however, there is space for two kinds of the same role in a setup. For example, a doctor could be included with a bulletproof. Both block night kills, but in two different ways.
Same with your role and Vader’s, what tripped me up here is that two killings roles in the hands of town is quite powerful, and I felt that was a bit much. Where I went wrong is that killing roles can be somewhat neutral in utility, since they can hit both town and scum. And of course, a 14 player setup does mitigate some of the chaos of killing roles.
I don’t know if that was your thought process, but I assume you had a similar error in your reasoning. Good learning experience.
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@Lunatic
We were cooked, our last hope was to bank on town idiocy. Which fortunately came through.
I should’ve pushed through with the vote on you DP3 and DP4. I pointed out so many reasons you were scum and I still didn’t vote you.
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Ok I couldn’t find a good quality version of the low tier god meme that YouTube would let me copy a link for so here’s this instead
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@Barney
@AustinL0926
@Savant
Free Mharcoin for anyone who hammers
The price will skyrocket and your investment will be rewarded two hundredfold trust
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Gotta just keep it simple stupid. I’ve thought too hard this game lol
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My 2c here is that we can’t just bet on the mod message being a misdirect when it comes to Austin. I have no problem falling for it if it’s a misdirect.
As for Greyparrot, maybe the same thing, but I think it’s one heck of a plan, even for a teammate to come up with.
Lynch order is probably best at Whiteflame-Barney-Lunatic since the odds someone gets co firmed and exposes Greyparrot get higher each time.
Although my gut says Greyparrot is town
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I guess it should be fine, logically speaking. Guts (nerves?) don’t like it but whatever.
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I guess if Whiteflame’s teammates are turning on him like this (they have to be- everyone but Barney is voicing support for it), it should be fine.
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Wish it were between Barney and Lunatic. Would’ve loved going for Barney here.
Every time Whiteflame did literally anything, Barney followed. I swear it’s a pattern when you read this game.
Plus, no defense from Barney. And Barney himself seems content going down here.
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Yeah I’ll comfort to it.
VTL Whiteflame
Go ahead and hammer
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@ILikePie5
Lowkey wanna flip my vote away from Whiteflame. Skimmed through the whole game again and he seems the most genuine
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@ILikePie5
Recall that Austin and I won a game cause I put him in my scope DP1.
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@Savant
I mean could just be a distancing play. Just because you sus someone doesn't mean they will be lynched, and you can always walk it back if they are on the chopping block.
Austin had it ordered that he susses Whiteflame more earlier. Now his sus on Barney is stronger. Not sure what to make of that.
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@ILikePie5
Here’s my take. Barney seems ok going down here and I think the plan for was for busses all along. I make one vote for Whiteflame and suddenly the whole DP roars to life again… either he notified his teammates or someone was lurking and did.
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