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@ILikePie5
So, what was the scum slip up you were looking for?
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@Vader
why would your target be flipless? My first thought is that Savant would've been janitored by the scum team.
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Two deaths. Interesting. Janitor as well.
Now the question remains, would scum or town be more likely to be informed of a role that can stop a lynch?
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@Yassine
@WyIted
Collective guilt is a plague on society and antisemitism will not solve whatever problems you think they cause.
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@n8nrgim
Greyparrot's probably got the best option, although I've been thinking about a flat tax. I will add that I've recently become a libertarian, and am not sure if AnCap or MinCap is better. So "no taxes at all" may be my answer in the future depending on which path I choose. It is certain, however, that increasing taxation will harm the economy.
At minimum, the solution isn't to tax the hell out of people (which loses revenue once you reach a certain threshold- per the Laffer Curve), it's to cut spending. Not "maybe" but by a lot. Most of what our government does should be privatized, with only defense, currency, infrastructure, and some common law being its role. And that's the bare minimum cost reduction for me. Charity, education, healthcare... they will not cease to exist just because they are not funded by the government, nor will any concerning amount of people be cut off from them.
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@n8nrgim
No.
As it turns out, people don’t like being taxed. Especially those in the highest tax bracket.
Many of them, are of course, business owners. So what you’ll see is that they will want to take a greater share of their businesses’ profits- lowing wages or firing people… or limiting new hires or wage raises in a way that is much sneakier. If that seems like a bad idea to the owner, the alternative is to raise the prices of the product or service they are selling, and pass the tax onto the consumer. Any combination of these strategies works as well.
Sure, there will be a select few who eat some, or even more rare, all of the taxes you’re throwing at them, but the big trend is that the costs will be passed down to the workforce or to the consumer.
It is for this reason that “taxing the rich” actually taxes everyone.
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@n8nrgim
Every time I see a suggestion like this, the same line of thinking is missing. One particular question is never asked.
How are these people you’re about to tax going to react to the new taxes?
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Inclined to buy Earth’s claim. Feeling like chasing scum. We until 6:30pm tomorrow.
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@ILikePie5
Not sure if I’m ready to join the pressure on Earth just yet. I’ll think about it.
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@ILikePie5
Additionally, I will add that one of my questions to you was kinda silly cause your answer was a given. I’ll let you cook, but I will go back to you if I find no better option.
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@ILikePie5
Listen. I have hated basically all of your behavior thus far. Casey, seems to have pause in you. Over what, I’m not sure. But if it’s enough to flip a scumread on you to neutrality… I’m willing to explore other options.
I do have one question. Barney raised the idea of 3P… I don’t like his specific choice of a 3P pick, but I did find that GP’a claim could align with a 3P cultist.
What do you think are the odds of third party?
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@ILikePie5
Yeah, I have noticed He only seems to refute the case on Banana and has provided no scumreads outside of that. Not a fan of it.
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i saw him considering a 5 day Dp but I didn't see him say it was official
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*Greyparrot's claim could be a different townie role that I'm not gonna talk about
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Top scumread is still pie, lunatic less so since my last look at this game, he's no 3 in my book.
No 2 would be Vader. I kinda just noticed this but I think there may be a CC between Owen's role and Vader's in that they gain a power over the NP
I don't trust is Barney's reads. If he's thinking of 3p why not Greyparrot? I don't fully trust GP's claim here bc a Crab God that whose character is carcinization (the process of turning species into crabs) sounds like a recruiting role (cultist) if it's 3P. Could a different townie that I wont talk about but I don't get why Barney is thinking Owen of all people is some third party. Even based on Owen's role, why not apply the logic to Vader?
And of course there's the idea that I'm wrong and scum is taking advantage and gone silent, but then what if calling it out is also for town cred?
I have Banana, Owen, and Casey in my town pile and that's it.
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@Lunatic
I didn't even notice. My ass slacked on those reads too cause i felt like doing something else
A no-lynch isn't the worst thing in the world here but i prefer a lynch.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Savant
We might be on low time
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Uhhhh I just noticed we might have an hour…. Did wylted extend the DP or not?
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Notice Banana didn’t use any of the “excuses” I gave her. She’s town.
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@ILikePie5
Let's say you’re actually both town and know something. Do you think mafia knows that same piece of information that you know?
Additionally, do you townread Casey? I assume you do, considering you accused me off buddying her earlier.
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I'm gonna get on some reads for some other people in the morning. I'll leave things with what I've said tonight.
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I feel like if anyone is in position to maximize the value off of coasting, it's joebob. Even the other people calling out a lack of reads from others aren't pinging joebob.
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@Earth
@JoeBob
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@iamanabanana
Hey, I don't need you to be a tryhard here who writes an essay, but what are your thoughts on some of the other people in this game? I townread you but I think it's worth getting your reads nonetheless.
Same for Owen. Any thoughts on others you haven't talked about yet?
Gonna ping Earth again too. And joebob.
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@Vader
@Savant
I will be fair here and say that I've seen Lunatic's activity get fucked over from a work schedule that changes and fucks with his sleep schedule, to be fair. Still not a good look, but strange inactivity isn't inherently scummy and I'm not gonna make it a major point in a scumread. Minor at most
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@Vader
I still wanna go after Lunatic's claim this DP, and he is among those that disappeared as well.
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@Vader
In a game where Pie and Mharman are controlling the tempo, if it is a situation where it's town vs town, they have no incentive to try and make reads and engage when it looks like they will consume each other
Astute observation. I have been thinking about the consequences of me being wrong on Pie. It would certainly not be a good look for those who disappeared from the thread. Would like to give Austin a pass on it, and I think I will give Barney one for now as well, iirc he made note that his activity would be low early on.
It is worth mentioning that Barney did lowpost all of DP1 last time he was scum, and what was suspicious to me about that was how little he said about the game when he actually did check in. So I'll revoke that pass on Barney if what he can give is fuck all
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@ILikePie5
I’m saying it’s a behavior change. I scumread behaviors changes, until I get information to the contrary. I believe Owen’s claim and his role, which is why I moved him to my town pile.
That's stupid method of reasoning, since not behavior changes are scummy. It really shouldn't have taken a claim from Owen to get you to realize your scumread on him was stupid.
If my name wasn’t Pie, you would be townreading me is what you’re saying. That’s fine, you’re entitled to that opinion. You’re either paranoid that I’m scum when I’m not (which I’ll remind you has happened more than a few times), or you’re scum wanting to get rid of a strong player like me.
Strong player? With the reads on Banana, Owen, and I? LMFAOOOOOO not this game. I'm also not gonna be manipulated by the "you're just paranoid" bullshit. I'm still, despite everything, open-minded to a way you could be town. That's why I'm asking you some of these questions.
The information I reveal is doesn’t concern you. Idrc whether you go away or not, cause I’m not going to go away either from you
If you are town and want to keep your information on someone else, fine. I'm not interested in that anymore, given what Casey has said. But I would like a role and character claim from you at the very least, plus a synopsis of your entry. I don't think I'm able to give you a pass for your shit reads otherwise.
She also knows that justifications are important.
She implied she got the justification.
I don’t believe she got 14 pages. I think it’s hyperbolic. Speaking of pages. Does she mean posts? 14 big posts from Wylted?
And what difference does that make? Remember, I think the big picture is that she a saw a bunch of text and felt she didn't need to pay much attention to it because she got what she needed already.
And then she supposedly knew it was about Israel Hamas but didn’t bother to read it. I don’t buy it. You can scumread me for it all you
Again, this relies on semantics on what counts as reading. It's just pedantry from you at this point. Here's a question: If Banana can be hyperbolic about 14 messages, why can't she be hyperbolic when she says she didn't read it? I think a good faith interpretation of Banana here is that she skimmed some things. and that didn't count as spending the time to read those paragraphs in her eyes.
I had Casey pinged DP1 when everyone townread her.
You also said you've been dead wrong about a lot of things as town. And this is assuming you are town, since I get the sense, that even you do you scumread townies, your worst logic is displayed when you are scum.
Scumplay is more likely to evolve than townplay imo. Just look at Casey last game.
And I think noob town is bound to evolve his game sooner rather than later if the state of his play is basically just "I don't know what to read, you do it for me." Plenty of improvements to be made, I'm not shocked Owen started with the worst part of his noob game. It's kind of a no brainer. If you're a noob who can't read people, try to learn to read... it's only the most important skill a townie can have.
What strawman are you talking about?
Multiple. I pointed them out. You said I was saying scum doesn't blend in with reads. You said I was saying you think your information makes you inherently town. Neither of those were my argument, and I had to explain it you back there.
Idk what you mean. Give me an example/scenario
Let's say you are really town and know something? Do you think mafia knows that same piece of information that you know?
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Banana, Casey, and Owen are my town pile. Despite my sus on Pie, I'm still looking for reasons I could be wrong here. I think there won't be any, but it's worth looking into to stress test my read here.
Even if Pie is town, it's gonna be more of a case where I give him a TI pass rather than believe his reads. Lunatic doesn't have that going for him.
And in all this I still haven't given a hard look at anyone else, unfortunately.
That's where I'm at right now.
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@ILikePie5
Here's a question: Were you informed of other parties knowing what you know?
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@Casey_Risk
Honestly, that's really tough for me to say. I know what sort of information Pie knows, but I don't know how or the extent to which he knows the information, and I doubt he's going to be very forthcoming about any of that until the end of this DP at least.
My thought here is if your role has some power to it, scum would be more likely to know about it. If your role has enough chaos for town, I can see how town would be informed.
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Thinking Casey is town since she's had ample opportunity to go after Pie. If he's really town, you'd think Casey would take the opportunity here.
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