Mharman

Game will be centered around first and third person shooter games.

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Can retool the setup to fit more than 9 if needed/desired.

If I need to help Casey find a replacement, I will.

Banana said she’s available, so there’s that.

Can’t be me ‘cause I reviewed the setup for this game.

You are likely needed. Thank you btw

Oh hello fauxlaw.

I don't know who said this, but someone on here perpetuated the rumor that you had passed away. I don't know who.

hope yall have read up on how to play this game... we have some very helpful threads that are pinned in this forum

Aight the setup looked decently balanced when it was first introduced to me. Made a few suggestions that I think improved it.

gl all.

Yes GP is in

Last time I did that I made a shitty troll game lol 

i have a setup of my own to make, I'll pass. I've found that I can't do both at once

It was an awkward gesture. He was throwing his heart out the crowd. That was the whole point- he wasn’t even thinking about a Nazi salute.

Do you guys honestly think one of the richest men in the world would throw away his reputation like that?

Oh but lemme guess: He did it to secretly signal to Nazis while relying on the benefit of the doubt from others. Please ignore other less obvious ways one could do such a thing. Lol.

Even the ALCU (according to one of their recent tweets) knows this narrative is bullshit. Anyone who actually thinks Elon Musk is a neo-Nazi and this was a salute to Hitler is arguing in bad faith (confirmation bias) and should not be taken seriously. 

This whole case says way more about our media than it does about Elon Musk or Donald Trump.

Not really… I’m not even watching the inauguration. We won with the election.

I wasn’t ever sure if compulsive flavor meant SOP. Miller def does, but compulsive? Not sure. And I thought it was smart to hide the cop, town just ganged up on you for something stupid

I didn't hammer because I figured Whiteflame would, despite the fact the you were obviously town (and I really do think town should've known it). Hiding the fact that you were a cop was a good play, neither of us saw it coming... I had mentioned to Austin redirecting you to yourself could be an idea, but I was fearful of a watcher being placed on you, since I figured with Cerulean's weak investigative role there had to be a stronger one somewhere else (I didn't think it was you since you had essentially SOP claimed). The town confirmation of Lunatic was also a little annoying.

That’s fine but I don’t recall Florida taking funds out of their own flood plans to fund something stupid, so I doubt it’ll be an issue for them.

Glad to see the this thread is still going

I rate this rage bait a 5/10.

If you want to argue FEMA should be disbanded in favor of the states being individually responsible for their own disaster aid, go for it. It would solve the problem of states being forced to help other states. I don’t have an opinion on the idea other than I would say I’m cautiously intrigued by it.

If you want to argue states affected by hurricanes should never send any aid to their people because some Republicans don’t like the idea of paying for California’s wildfire relief, lol. Just lol.

The difference between the California and the hurricane states is that California has been neglecting its forest management duties in its parks, directly increasing the damages caused by forest fires over there, while also trying to fund various pet projects that none of the hurricane states would touch with a ten foot pole. Comparing these forest fires to Hurricane Milton is foolish.

Should we deny California aid at this time? I would say no, but I’m not opposed to giving them a sort of warning to start being more efficient with their spending (forest management included) that could come with future reductions to forest fire aid. After all, if they throw away money that could be used to reduce forest fire damages in funding said pet projects, it would eventually make the federal government pretty irresponsible for enabling California’s ridiculous spending.

I wasn’t really hard bussing him until the very end, so it’s a bit different than that one game where RM and Pie went after each other from the get go. I don’t think I’ll ever go as far as they did in any of my scum games.

In many situations I wouldn’t have needed to bus him at all. The point of putting him in my scope DP1 was just to have a long term act in distancing from him… I was planning to have someone overtake Austin as my primary scumread DP2 after Cerulean’s DP1 mislynch.

To answer your question in the politics forum: The game went well, yes. I didn’t think I played as well as Pie says, but I got away with it.

Yes. We should stop thinking about race when hiring people. Anyone can do the job if they have the skills.

Lunatic - CYR Mafia

The fact that leftists can’t even define Nazi nowadays shows why you shouldn’t punch nazis. Even so, until people act on their beliefs, they are not enough of a threat to escalate things. Until then, they can be redeemed.

I really don’t think race matters here. Plenty of fit guys of other races that can do the job as well

I know bullish likes to get back into mafia from time to time, so I’ll tag him

Not me sorry. Burnt out

1hr 30

Ceruelan: I don’t like his behavior day 1 where he asks us all to speculate roles and switches to character specific the second it is point we put to him that. His defense then was that he wanted people to speculate based on what characters mafia might have. Tbf he did do focus on characters plenty before defending himself on that, but that character focusing could help in determine town PRs and also retroactively justify his behavior. He did ask ADOL that question about secret hitler and Galbatorix before going on about role spec, so there’s that, although he revealed his hand on that after his spec. 

DP2, however, he was defending Wylted. Not as hard as I was (and I wonder if he would have hammered if Whiteflame didn’t) so I was thinking the argument I apply to myself should apply to him and yeah, defending Wylted there does carry the risk of losing the mislynch, even a lighter defense. That’s a major point in his favor.

This DP he did clear Whiteflame, so I’d have to conclude they’re working together if they’re a scum team. I don’t think the master plan is as hard as others say, but if Cerulean was scum and buddying Whiteflame there, odds are low that he clears him there. It’s worth noting that Oracle and Voodoo Lady do kinda CC each other, and singer as well. I have to either conclude there really is that level of redundancy in the setup, or I have to say ADOL is only weak semi/total investigative role. The Oracle role can be an excuse for being alive this long, but we did force the role out of him… at the very least, the justification isn’t horrible, although a little suspect iirc from what Lunatic said.

Whiteflame: I didn’t like his defense of Cerulean DP1 where he essentially credited some plan to manipulate the scum team as the reason cerulean was doing all that. I don’t buy that. He was on the wagon DP2, so that’s definitely against him, although he was also on the wagon late. I also hated his arguments throughout this game. 

The tide started to shift with the voodoo lady claim. Like with Wylted, it would be a stupid claim if he’s scum and it does have Ceruelan’s blessing now. UnCCd voodoo lady is not as compelling as unCCd cop though, and he is in fact CCd by ADOL’s role at the least. It’s not that having Cerulean clear him is hard, it’s the pick itself is super hard to pull off, at which point anyone with the skill necessary to pull it off would rather fake claim something else and making that work. 

The connection to Cerulean is actually helping him here because I think the case for Austin and ADOL are both stronger than for Cerulean’s- I can at least see the town case for Cerulean and by extension Whiteflame.

Austin: In DP1 he gave reasons to scumread Cerulean but then said came up with a townread of him off vibes alone. Same with Lunatic, except Lunatic wasn’t scumread or townread by really anyone because he had barely adobe anything at that point. Then after I vote for Ceruelan, he just joins the wagon. 

DP2 he was the second person on the wagon again and parroting much of Luantic’s points. Lunatic can get a clear on bad logic for being town confirmed, but Austin isn’t confirmed by anyone. Not Wylted, not Cerulean. At least Whiteflame is paired with some with a town case; Austin doesn’t have that luxury. Since then nothing has pinged my radar, but I’m not seeing any real reason to townread him.

ADOL: At first I was felt he was genuine but now that I’m seeing more from him, I think he was just flying under the radar. The whole need he felt to disassociate from me last DP was weird and saying it out loud is more revealing of noob scum than noob town imo. I didn’t think anything of it DP2, but his idea that Lunatic could be scum with some fuckery is really weird to me, so there’s that. Oh and he did misrepresent where I stood on things earlier this DP.

Then in this DP he says he’s gonna make the call that it’s me and Austin, then backtracks and says he’s not certain. And DP2 he didn’t fight the Wylted lynch that hard sure, but he didn’t go against it that hard either. He gave very little reason on both sides tells me it’s fencesitting where he went for Wylted once he was sure the chances of getting Wylted were good- notice he was the third on the wagon. I know noob town doesn’t have much in the way of logic to give, but neither does noob scum.

All in all there’s no town case for him other than I just have to believe he’s town from the start and derp clear him, at which point he’s just as easily scum and derping around, if anything it’s more likely given obsession with disassociating from me. I kinda get the sense he’s doing it to frame things in a way that makes me his theoretical teammate at Austin’s request.

Also, his claim of singer and justification is horrid. Ok elves sing. So what? To me Arya sounds like a protective role if town, and a powerful role if mafia given that she’s one of the main characters with a variety of skills at her disposal. She could also protect mafia in some way. If we’re going off justifications, ADOL has far and away the worse one. He doesn’t even get the argument that such a claim would be stupid if he’s scum, since in this scenario he gets to blend in off Cerulean and Whiteflame’s roles. It’s a misplay to go for it imo because there’s little room his role, but it’s not inherently horrid because he can argue it makes him fit. The part of it that truly makes it horrid is the justification.

Even in the extremely unlikely situation where Cerulean is scum, ADOL is the more likely the teammate sine Austin still voted Cerulean at the end of the day, when a lynch on him was no guarantee. No even in that rare event Austin has a town case that he wouldn’t normally have, that ADOL doesn’t.

And this is what it really comes down to at the end of the day. For Ceruean and by extension Whiteflame, they have a town case I can see. Austin doesn’t really have one right now, but in the rare scenario where Cerulean is scum and buddying Whiteflame, he gets one there. ADOL has absolutely nothing going for him.

Plus, he spends all that time on me and then doesn’t vote at all- so I wonder if he’s afraid of putting us in a situation where one of us is guaranteed scum because he’s the stronger PR. He was also the last player in the game to claim. Although thinking about it more it doesn’t matter much since the final three is almost guaranteed to be Cerulean, Austin and I. All the info on PRs has probably been gathered, and scum probably has made all the plays they can. So that one scenario where Cerulean is buddying Whiteflame matters a tiny bit more because ADOL looks just a tick worse than Austin. Cerulean seems to not want to decide between Austin and I today, so there’s that.

All in all, ADOL’s behavior is too weird, the defense is weak, the justification for his claim is horrid, and in any possible scenario he’s preferable. I’m going to go for him.

That's why I said, most, not all. I'm aware there's some townies who would've gone for that. However, the decision is so ridiculous that I think there has to be scum on that wagon. I don't see how in a given pool of only townies, Wylted gets lynched there. Therefore, scum had to have been present in that lynch. Regardless, it doesn't  change the fact that I had every incentive to be opportunistic in that lynch if I were scum, regardless of what townies did or didn't support it. Given the previous DP, there was a very real chance of another no-lynch, and I decided I was okay with it because I townread Wylted that hard. As mafia, I would have been incentivized to keep us in evens by lynching him.

If I am scum I don't defend Wylted as hard as I did. He was an easy mislynch for someone in my position. I could've flipped on him when Lunatic was cleared, I could've let Lunatic "convince" me over the course of the DP, or I could've voted him at the end just to have a lynch. I didn't.

Wylted was town and it was obvious, I still don't understand why yall wanted to lynch an-unCC'd cop who just cleared someone and made one of the dumbest possible decisions in targeting Lunatic if he was scum. Combine that with how he got mislynched for not SOPing miller last game, and to me it seemed completely natural that he would float the idea of claiming his role (and claim it after only one person asked) if he felt it even had the slightest amount of negative utility.

Because of how obviously town Wylted was, Wylted's mislynch is the type of lynch that only happens if scum is hard pushing for it. I refuse to believe most townies alive would actually go for it if the scum team wasn't looking to convince them. A few might, but I really think most won't.

I've done a lot of thinking on this and I'm thinking it's ADOL and Austin. I think both scum have to be on that wagon, and Cerulean and Whiteflame's behavior has more town explanations than the former two- particularly in ADOL's case in which I essentially have to derp clear him in a case where I think his behavior is more likely noob scum. However, I am not decided on who to lynch first since I think the odds of Cerulean buddying Whiteflame here are extremely low, almost to the point of impossibility. It really comes down to who I think has the stronger PR, and I haven't given that much thought yet.

I'll try to force myself to be more in-depth on this in the morning, but right now, I'm going to sleep. No promises, but I will try.

The lack of self awareness here is crazy. "You can't lynch me if I go after Mharman!" to justify an attack where all you need it one mislynch and it could easily be you and Austin. Honestly if I conclude you're scum at the end of this it'll be because I'd think you're trying to frame me as a teammate of yourself in MYLO where you only need one lynch to win.

Plus it had the benefit of me having to do very little if it worked.

I was hoping scum would be fearful I was about to go for them and hard lock onto me. The reason I did this is because last game I noticed how Pie had a very raw reaction to my townslip and realized that scum sometimes shows their hand in late game DPs.

I didn’t get what I wanted out of that. It was a reaction test. No one acted in a way I felt was expressly scummy.

But relatively soon nonetheless.

I should clarify, by shortly I mean a few hours.

Honestly I haven’t been thinking about this game much. I’ve been kinda burnt out on mafia and the only reason I signed up was because I don’t recall playing any of Pie’s games before. I’ve been forcing myself to play. Yes, other things are bothering me as well.

 

All this to say: Don’t expect me to have some massive in-depth analysis on the situation.

My 2 cents here is that the teams are either Whiteflame-Cerulean or ADOL-Austin.

Cerulean doesn’t clear Whiteflame if he’s scum, and Whiteflame doesn’t show up as innocent to Cerulean if he’s scum, unless they are working together. They are either both town or both scum imo. I don’t believe in Whiteflame being town but Cerulean being scum anymore because Whiteflame clearly believes Cerulean is town and Cerulean would be risking absolutely nothing not clearing Whiteflame in that situation, since he and a teammate could fence sit and vote with or against Whiteflame knowing there will never be enough votes to lynch him. Even if his teammate goes down he just keeps Whiteflame alive DP5 and wins off that.

I haven’t liked Whiteflame’s behavior, I haven’t liked Cerulean’s behavior, and I haven’t liked Austin’s behavior all game long. And recently I haven’t been liking ADOL’s behavior so I’m kinda suspicious of everyone.

I see the point in taking risks so I’ll be taking one shortly. If I’m wrong the game ends here and town loses, if I’m right yall can pick between me and my top scumread and the game is either lost or won there. Either way it’ll be over soon, which I’m happy about.

Cerulean could say both

ok. 

"Acknowledgements"

now we wait and see

In the mean time, lemme think on ADOL and Austin

There's one scenario I may have to consider both being town and there's a 50% chance it happens even if both are town. 

*I'm not sure one being scum clears the other

*two townies

Regardless, I still think there's one scum between Cerulean and Whiteflame. Two weak roles that are somewhat investigative (in that they can be used to town confirm someone) in a game where Wylted's role can be used to town confirm tow townies, plus Earth's role town confirming himself.

I just don't think there's enough room for all that. There's an outside chance the setup was fumbled like that, but I'm gonna need a strong town case for both and I haven't seen one for either, outside of Whiteflame's claim being very stupid if he's scum. I haven't liked either's behavior all game.

I'm not sure one being town necessarily clears the other, but I'm undecided on Austin and I don't townread ADOL as hard as I used to, so if one's scum there's a good chance the other is town based off that.

Does you role still work or no longer work*

I could tell Cerulean the word if he's not able to get it

I know the word. Does your role still longer work if I say it out loud?