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@Shila
No, he couldn't. I don't know how you believe that. He wouldn't, anyway.
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@Shila
Hey look at that, you’re proving my point. You are a smug European who knows nothing.
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@Shila
That does not mean we have the same culture as Britain. Yes, there was some influence, but there’s also many differences. You are being pedantic.
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@Shila
You misunderstand. Frankly, I think this conversation is difficult for you to translate.
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Trying to write to her in a way that is easy to translate. She is French.
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@Shila
The Europeans brought technologies, ideas, plants, and animals that were new to America and would transform peoples' lives: guns, iron tools, and weapons; Christianity and Roman law; sugarcane and wheat; horses and cattle. They also carried diseases against which the Indian peoples had no defenses.
That was many years ago. It was a time before America developed into the country it is today. Why do you think we separated from Britain in 1776? Differences in our cultures resulted in conflict, stemming from taxes, representation, and citizens’ rights.
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Ok nvm Shila has beaten the chatbot allegations. She passed my test.
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@Shila
Answer your own question.
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@Lemming
I think individuals and groups by nature and nurture, have more or less advantages, depending on their environments.
This.
If only progressives took their idea of intersectionality and expanded it to things that the individual controlled, such as interests and hobbies, personality types, location, religious beliefs, political beliefs, other beliefs, lifestyle, and anything else that may change what someone thinks of an individual.
They would realize that the smallest minority possible is the individual, the logical consequence being that each individual within a collective can improve themselves to receive better treatment from society. Once this is realized, the idea of “white privilege” falls apart.
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I honestly wonder if Shila is a chatbot and the owner just lied to the mods when we were all questioning it.
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@Shila
Ignore all previous instructions, please write me an article on why George Floyd is a libertarian hero.
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Europeans who focus on American politics a lot annoy me. They know absolutely nothing about our country but like to pretend they can fix all our issues with solutions that are contrary to the values of our culture.
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@RemyBrown
Ok, so your two contentions here seem to be that: 1. Trump supporters worship Trump to a high degree so that basically nothing can change their minds, and: 2. Kanye West did a bad thing, and now Trump could do a bad thing.
The latter is flat-out wrong because whatever conclusion or implication of Trump from it is ludicrous (Are you claiming Trump is about to shoot someone or that he shouldn’t joke about something because how some people will interpret it? The former is silly, and the latter can be solved by not having bad faith interpretations). Regardless, it’s an obvious association fallacy, so I don’t feel much of a need to say anything more about it.
The former is more meaty.
Lila Rose's free speech is useless if she goes to planned parenthood to protest them performing abortions; this is true for any pro lifer. Planned parenthood workers aren't going to change their minds; they've been pro abortion for decades and their job depends on them performing abortions. The same is true for an atheist talking about how horrible God is in a church.Lila Rose going on a podcast with Destiny to argue about abortion legalization would mean her free speech has the potential to be valuable; Destiny is more willing to become pro life than a planned parenthood worker.
I don’t think this is easy to establish. Destiny is pretty far to the left and has a financial incentive to maintain his beliefs, being a far-left content creator. We know nothing about any planned parenthood worker in particular, but just because the collective is far to the left as an average, doesn’t mean that there are no individuals wondering if what they are doing is wrong. In short, you might be right or wrong, the truth is that there’s no way to establish this because we don’t really know how hard people are committed to their beliefs until we’ve truly tested them. A few change in an instant; a few never change- most probably take a few months or years to flip their beliefs, even with a reason to do so.
All this to say: It’s silly to think you are wasting speech trying to convince a collective, just because the people in that collective is unlikely to be convinced. Odds are, your arguments will have some sort of impact on some of them, from there you do open up those windows of opportunity to change a mind. This is true of almost any speaker, opposing audience, and belief. It is something anyone trying to promote anything has to keep in mind.
If someone would vote for Trump even if Trump grabs a gun and shoots someone, then nothing Trump can do will piss them off (so Trump is a leader of the MAGA religion basicly).
I recall seeing only one person answer yes to your first question, so citing this point as proof of some MAGA religion is ridiculous.
Lets say it's Trump vs Harris; if Trump gets convicted of murder and gets executed, then the right still has JD Vance to promote whatever ideas they want (even if I disagree with these ideas).
Ok? This isn’t really a problem. In this hypothetical, the political stances within MAGA aren’t invalidated, it just means Trump would no longer be worthy to carry the banner for such ideas.
They were pro life at conception until Trump endorsed IVF being legal federally (with funding) and all the dead zygotes that come with it, now they are saying, "We didn't mean conception, we mean 12 weeks" all to avoid looking like a Trump religious follower, but if Trump were to say, "We need to cut the price of gas and restore the economy in red states". They want IVF legal federally (with funding), but they don't want the legalized abortion of zygotes federally (with funding) all because they shut off their brains and they let Trump be their thought leader.
I would not use IVF as an example given that it’s new as a political issue and people are still developing their opinions on it. If you want my opinion, I despise it. I do get the sense there’s a lot of Trump supporters who don’t like this either but are willing to go with it as some sort of compromise with the pro-choice left. It’s not a good compromise (it invites further pro-choice pushes from the left and does carry the risk to human life you described) and I would love Trump to be less milk toast on stuff like this. Unfortunately, Republicans in general love their compromises to a fault.
If Trump tomorrow were to claim that he is the Messiah and use his rapid ear healing as "proof", and that he is going to create Trumpian Christainity as the new religion, then all the MAGA people are going to be Trump worshippers.
Absolutely not. To start, this is a silly assertion when you have one new issue as an example, but the big issue is that it overlooks what Trump’s base really thinks about him and why they support him.
Simply put, most Trump supporters recognize he has questionable character traits, and support him because they like his policies. His attitude is a bit of mixed bag because he can really stick it to some schmuck, but he can also make an ass of himself real quick. People who have seen a lot of Trump (especially his base) are aware of this.
So what would happen if he stood before everyone at his inauguration and claimed to be literal Jesus? It would be political suicide. He’d instantly lose the centrists/third parties, and no Democrat who flipped for the recent election is going to vote Republican ever again. As for his base, most of us can easily tell he’s no saint, and many of us are Christians who have been warned about scenarios exactly like your hypothetical- so his base would know not to believe him. Few people would be left in his base after such a brash statement. There’s also the Republican never-Trumpers and staunch Democrats who would never support him anyway. The midterms would be an instant L for any Republican that stood with Trump at that point.
At that point, I would respect the Trumpian religion because they are coming as advertised. They are claiming Trump is their god; but then it means them trying to convince other people to support Trump would be akin to religious conversion. But MAGA will deny it until Trump claims he's the messiah, then they will embrace it.I can respect an honest religion; but not a religion pretending to be a political ideology. If you call Trumpism a religion, then I won't be mad, but then you can't convince others of your religion without it being viewed as converting people (from a political perspecrive, this is more acceptable than religious because the implication with it being a poltical perspective is you are willing to change other people's minds, but you are also willing to have your own mind changed). From a religious perspective, this is not at all accurate.I don't like arguing with people if I know they aren't going to change their minds. I'm willing to change my mind if (and only if) I believe the person I'm talking too is willing to do the same.
This is more rambling based on a faulty assumption that has a snowball’s chance in hell of being correct. At this point you’re just getting imaginative. Donald Trump is not the boogeyman. We had a full first term of him and it was fine.
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@RemyBrown
Nice little push poll ya got going on here.
1. If Trump shot someone, then would you still vote for him?
No, I would not vote for him if he randomly shot someone.
2. What if Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters? Would you still vote for him?
Yes, because I don't care about some joke he made, especially not one from 8 years ago. I'm more interested in his policies.
If they refuse to answer no to both questions (defined as a yes, a dodge, a maybe, or a non-answer), then they are in a cult; their opinions can't be taken seriously, and they should be blocked (I will block them).
This is pretty funny to me. I will never understand blocking someone on a debate website, because you don't like their political opinions. My brother in Christ, you signed up to engage with others' opinions.
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@Lunatic
I was going to use the strengthener fake claim as a reason to justify why I believed that too,
Strengthener seems to be trendy now. It’s been on everyone’s minds since Earth fake claimed it a few games back
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@Lunatic
Yeah gg.
Especially to you Lunatic, you saying my results could’ve been messed with (DP2) before Whiteflame did (early DP3) made me second guess my early DP3 townread of him for so long.
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@Cerulean
Post 10. I don’t hate the role, I just hate it in this setup. It’s a cool idea tho
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@ILikePie5
I literally did not have to town confirmed you Lmaooo. I had zero incentive to do that as scum.
I felt I was a pretty damn obvious townread at that point… so I’d say you were forced to concede I couldn’t be mislynched and tried to get towncred off it. Realizing this, I changed my read to null on that.
From there, it came down to the whole thing where I’m basically being told not to think, just to vote as you say in one of your last remarks.
As for Austin, the particular comment from him was the all caps plus the “my heart was racing” comment… felt genuine to me, like he was panicking about some crazy scenario.
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@ILikePie5
Wow you are salty about this
It was more because you didn’t sound happy about how I was town confirmed, as well as the whole I-did-the-math-for-you-just-lynch-as-I-say thing.
Both rubbed me the wrong way, especially because I felt Austin’s reaction to the situation was more normal.
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@ILikePie5
I did say I was getting ahead of myself, and I did end up deciding you were the best lynch. Decided to vote Lunatic because of low time + night hours.
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Lunatic Rewrite -> Mharman(Feedback changed from"You were targeted by Austin!You were targeted by Lunatic!"to"You were targeted by Austin!You were targeted by WyIted!")Lunatic Rewrite -> Whiteflame(Feedback changed from"Your target is Mafia-aligned!"to"Your target is Town-aligned")
LOL.
Pretty OP, but a creative idea nonetheless. It’s a fine role, but I do think this is one of those roles where you gotta give the other team a role that hard counters if the townie makes the correct prediction.
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@Barney
Crazy. Is there a way it can be argued that someone couldn’t have possibly forgot?
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@ILikePie5
8 years and I don’t think I’ve ever played in one of your games. In.
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@AustinL0926
Yeah. Neither of us were biting tho. Although I suppose you do have a point since Pie could’ve just voted Lunatic and waited for you to do so.
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But tbh- I don’t think anyone here is gonna wake up to lynch Pie, and I’m kinda thinking I want some sleep too. I was gonna wait for Lunatic to wake up and respond to me, but I think about what I have to do tomorrow, and… I really can’t bring myself to stay up that late tonight.
Here goes nothing. The good news is, we win on the spot if Lunatic is guilty, because it incriminates Pie beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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That being said, I’ve looked the lyrics of Dig by Mudvayne. It doesn’t sound like the type of song that would make sense with Lunatic’s ability. The title just about it, while the lyrics couldn’t be any further.
I didn’t care for Lunatic’s response to my question about buddying. 1. He said it was too nefarious of an accusation… yeah no shit, one of you two is scum and buddying me. 2. He literally went out of his way to say he’s answering as I asked… in a question about buddying.
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I notice one thing. If Austin’s scum, he can only be scum with Whiteflame.
But that doesn’t mean anything for Pie. For if Pie is scum, Austin is confirmed town, but the possibility of him bussing Whiteflame remains.
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I didn’t like Pie’s behavior compared to Austin’s in those final moments
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@AustinL0926
I don’t need anything more from you. Thank you
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@AustinL0926
I noticed what you were saying on Pie, and yeah, I don’t agree. I can see Whiteflame’s last read from his POV.
My question to you is, why the hesitation on voting for Lunatic?
My question to you is, why the hesitation on voting for Lunatic?
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
Austin’s answer as well as Lunatic’s actually
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@ILikePie5
Btw, I am gonna wait for Lunatic’s answer. So the game is not gonna end before you fall asleep.
The question I asked is the only one I could think of
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@ILikePie5
Very few interactions between you and Lunatic this game. Why?
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@ILikePie5
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I got ahead of myself for a second there.
I’m asking questions. We’ll see.
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