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@WyIted
I had a strong feeling Owen was a noob who messed up and people overreacted to his noobiness.
But I’d rather take a lynch than not… given the flip of Innocent Child, a role that protects a townie from lynch, I’m not a fan of magistrate, a role that does the same. I wasn’t a fan of it late DP1 either, because it would be redundant in the face of any protective roles that may exist in this game.
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@WyIted
So six years to change for you, and three years to change and then change again for Crooks.
It’s a fringe possibility in his case but it’s so unlikely.
And about the primaries, that’s what I’m saying.
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@ILikePie5
@cristo71
There’s evidence to back the idea of Crooks registering for the party he doesn’t philosophically align with.
Remember in 2022 when Pennsylvania Dems were asking their voter base to vote in the Republican primaries?
The article says few of them heeded the call, but if anyone was gonna do it, it’s probably the guy who donated $15 to ActBlue and shot at Trump.
He probably stayed registered for the reason Pie suggested.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Actually that was sarcasm but you’re not bright enough to pick up on it. But you agree that a smart person can’t be a Republican.
What??? IWRA being sarcastic??? No way!!! I could never have known! He only used sarcasm several times yesterday and today, how could I possibly know he’d be doing it again?
Damn you and your superior sarcasm! You truly know sarcasm when you see it! You would never miss a sarcastic remark!
Obvious sarcasm on my part aside (because I have to tell you since you’re the one who has actually missed sarcasm), my point stands. We are barely talking about Crooks now because you know the evidence favors what I’ve said. You’re just butthurt.
Also, it’s funny how you keep trying to one-up me in the sarcasm department after I pantsed you in front of the site yesterday.
He obviously contributed to Act Blue as a false flag so people would think he was a Democrat and blame the left. He’s a cunning Republican Never Trumper.
Yes clearly. A man like you would never say a conspiracy theory while calling others out tor it, right?
Of course Crooks was a conservative planning this three years in advance! How could I not see that?! He wasn’t too much of a little bitch to touch a rifle, after all!
Again, this is obvious sarcasm that you might miss. Just trying to help you out here.
Were you at the Capital on January 6th? Why not? Are you not a patriot? Are you a chicken?How many years has it been since January 6th? Still no accountability. The system is rigged. 2A is the only way to stop Trump and the MAGA MORONS.Republicans have said the elections are rigged so we can’t rely on that process anymore.
To be honest, I didn’t care enough to attend Jan 6. I’m not convinced the election was stolen, nor was I willing to abandon what I was doing for a few days. You’re the only one between the two of us who thinks peace isn’t an option; I wouldn’t recommend it, but I can’t stop you from being braver than me.
However, I doubt you’d do anything right now. You’re a shit excuse for a human being who might do something horrible in the future, but for now, you’re also a sad, angry loser who likes blowing off steam on DART all day long (if your one month ban didn’t make it obvious enough).
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Well this guy was smart and a good student so that does make it less likely he’s a Republican, I’ll give you that.
That’s a funny way of saying “You were right and I’m butthurt about it.”
The MAGA MORONS would. He’s likely a very patriotic American who was concerned about a wanna be dictator coming to power with the help of the country’s dumbest citizens
Go ahead. Try and follow in his footsteps. I dare you. It won’t end well for you, but if you really think that way, whatever. I wouldn’t genuinely recommend it, though.
A former President who was impeached twice, told a BIG LIE and tried to subvert the election in 2020. The purpose of the Second Amendment according to MAGA MORONS is to stop tyranny. Trump is a tyrant in waiting.
*To stop tyranny, where all peaceable means have been exhausted. Our country still has a free and fair election coming in November, and we still have the rule of law intact. Our government is not oppressing our free speech, nor are they raiding our towns for our guns.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
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And that’s significant because….
… is it really not obvious enough for you?
Here you go. Lol.
Do you spend most of your free time thinking about wack job conspiracy theories?
AP News is posting conspiracy theories now?
Don’t look at me. You were the one concluded the guy was a “jilted Trump lover” with no evidence yesterday.
Most normal people would assume he’s a lunatic on the fringes of the left. Apparently that’s not reasonable to you, since that idea would make your side of the left look bad.
He’s a patriot exercising his Second Amendment remedies that Trump himself has promoted in the past.
Gee, I love it when the 2A gives me the right to gun down a former president on the campaign trail!
But I’m sticking with my first answer, you’re a MAGA MORON
Despite all evidence. LOL.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Right, because you’re a MAGA MORON
Or because he donated $15 to ActBlue in 2021, was encouraged by Pennsylvania Democrats to vote in Republican primaries in 2022, and shot at Donald Trump yesterday.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Oh ya, all progressive democrats register as Republicans. I did it myself.
Never claimed you or most did. Just Crooks.
(that was sarcasm genius)
Woah! What a shocking revelation!
Only a loser would use that term, let alone twice.
Awwww… is someone pressed?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Congratulations, you read up to the third sentence of an article until you found something that satisfies your confirmation bias. The fourth sentence? Nah, you don’t need to read that… what other information could possibly be of importance?
That was sarcasm by the way, in case you couldn’t tell.
From the same article you posted:
FEC contribution records also show a single $15 ActBlue contribution earmarked to Progressive Turnout Project, a liberal voter turnout group.
This CNN article gives us the month of this donation: January 2021.
So this dude donated to ActBlue on 2021, registered Republican sometime in between his 18th birthday and the present, and shot at Trump yesterday.
So either Thomas Matthew Crooks has the politics of a metronome, or he’s just a progressive Dem who registered Republican.
Which makes sense when you consider:
1. Pennsylvania has closed primary voting.
2. Crooks is from the Pittsburgh metro area and a county that is a strong Democratic stronghold.
Look at the politicians of Allegheny County:
County Executive:
Sara Innamorato (D)
County Council:
Bethany Hallam (D), At-large
Samuel DeMarco III (R), At-large
Jack Betkowski (D), District 1
Suzanne Filiaggi (R), District 2
Anita Prizio (D), District 3
Patrick Catena (D), President, District 4
Dan Grzybek (D), District 5
John F. Palmiere (D), Vice President, District 6
Nicholas Futules (D), District 7
Michelle Naccarati-Chapkis (D), District 8
Robert J. Macey (D), District 9
DeWitt Walton (D), District 10,
Paul Klein (D), District 11
Robert Palmosina (D), District 12
David Bonaroti (D), District 13
Other elected county offices:
Controller, Corey O’Connor (D)
District Attorney, Stephen A. Zappala, Jr. (Forward Party)
Sheriff, Kevin M. Kraus (D)
Treasurer, Erica Rocchi Brusselars (D)
State representatives:
Aerion Abney, Democratic, 19th district
Emily Kinkead, Democratic, 20th district
Lindsay Powell, Democratic, 21st district
Dan Frankel, Democratic, 23rd district
La'Tasha Mayes, Democratic, 24th district
Brandon Markosek, Democratic, 25th district
Daniel J. Deasy, Democratic, 27th district
Rob Mercuri, Republican, 28th district
Arvind Venkat, Democratic, 30th district
Joe McAndrew, Democratic, 32nd district
Mandy Steele, Democratic, 33rd district
Abigail Salisbury, Democratic, 34th district
Matt Gergely, Democratic, 35th district
Jessica Benham, Democratic, 36th district
Nick Pisciottano, Democratic, 38th district
Andrew Kuzma, Republican, 39th district
Natalie Mihalek, Republican, 40th district
Dan L. Miller, Democratic, 42nd district
Valerie Gaydos, Republican, 44th district
Anita Astorino Kulik, Democratic, 45th district
Jason Ortitay, Republican, 46th district
State senators:
Devlin Robinson, Republican, 37th district
Lindsey Williams, Democrat, 38th district
Wayne D. Fontana, Democrat, 42nd district
Jay Costa, Democrat, 43rd district
James Brewster, Democrat, 45th district
U.S. representatives:
Chris Deluzio, Democrat, 17th district
Summer Lee, Democrat, 12th district
U.S. senators:
John Fetterman, Democrat
Bob Casey Jr., Democrat
He has a reason to register Democrat if he wants a say in their primaries, but given that the party is a virtual lock for almost everything in his area, he doesn’t really need to. However, he did have a good reason to register Republican around 2022, according to this AP News Article:
And in some cases, Democrats have been too focused on their own competitive primaries to cast a Republican ballot. That was probably the case in Pennsylvania, where some Democrats openly encouraged their base to vote for the Republican candidate for governor, Doug Mastriano, whose extreme views they felt made him more beatable in November.To cast a ballot in the May 17 GOP primary, however, voters needed to register as Republicans ahead of the contest because Pennsylvania has a “closed primary” system. And on the same day, Democrats were deciding their own high-stakes Senate primary.If the advance vote in Pennsylvania is any indication, few Democrats heeded the call to vote GOP.
To be fair, few Pennsylvanian Democrats voted Republican, as the article states. However, some still did, and if anyone’s gonna do that, it’s probably the guy who voted $15 to ActBlue and hated Trump enough to shoot at him.
Or he just has politics that swing like a pendulum, and somehow he loved Trump just before changing his mind and shooting at him. That would fit with your “jilted Trump lover” hypothesis.
The above paragraph was sarcasm. Apparently, I have to tell you when I’m being sarcastic now.
Copium is a powerful drug.
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@JoeBob
I know. Haven’t seen him in a while though
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Damn, I never could have guessed. Your sarcasm is so superior to mine… You even know that I wasn’t being sarcastic, even when I thought I was!
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Copium is one hell of a drug.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I can’t understand the sarcasm in the post you just made either.
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Don't know where David is either. Or Speedrace. Or Blamonkey.
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Haven't seen Oromagi or Vader in a while.
And MisterChris has been gone for a year at least.
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@JoeBob
He even proved that adults will play with blocks if you market it correctly.
Jokes aside, I haven't solved a cube in years. I used to know but I forgot. It was fun while it lasted and 3D puzzles in general are neat.
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Alright everybody. Let's calm down with conspiracy theories, and let's calm down with the assassination fantasies (cough Underdog). And the doomerism too while we're at it.
What we have is a deranged individual on the fringes of the left who decided he was the law. He wanted to kill a former president and he didn't care who he killed in the process. That is all.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Good point. To counter:
*Insert red herring here*
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It was probably one deranged person on the fringes of the left. I wouldn't prepare for war over it.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Thanks Roosevelt. I'm happy you have seen the light and are now wishing others the best.
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@Sidewalker
Nah. If it was a false flag done by a Republican, the shot would've been dead on. I know deranged leftist aim when I see it.
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@Lunatic
GGs everyone.
Good theme choice Luna, I love COC
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Owen_T
I will ping you next time there’s a sign-ups thread.
Mods, you might wanna lock this thread, I’m unsure… it’s really up to you.
Owen did nothing wrong here, I just think it’s a bad idea to leave this thread open because people might start talking about an ongoing game in here.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Savant
@WyIted
Guys we need to lynch Aavant. Now.
VTL Savant
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@WyIted
I’m reading the wiki more and Savant’s claim looks like crap now. I don’t see anything in the wiki that says she saved someone in her childhood by testifying, only that she tried and failed to do so, as the guy was ruled guilty.
I don’t like him behaviorally and I don’t like this whole, “ vote someone off tomorrow and I’ll save them to confirm myself” thing either. That ensures there’s a mislynch on DP2 and that he survives to DP3 if he’s scum
His behavior in general strikes me as being way too hard to fit in. And if we’re talking mechanics, I don’t like magistrate.
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@WyIted
Working on it.
Godot is interesting because he has been both a defense attorney and a prosecutor at some point in the series, according to the wiki… which is important given that Edgeworth is one of the biggest antagonists in the series and a prosecutor. Prosecutors vs all else?
That being said, Edgeworth has a redemption arc so maybe it’s literally just murderers vs lawyers. Which makes Godot even more interesting given he did kill someone and was arrested. However, the circumstances around it weren’t necessarily a murder, as he only killed Dalia Hawthorne, who was possessing Maya’s mother’s body and trying to kill Maya.
As for my character, he’s got two balls
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@Savant
Holy shit and now Austin makes sense on the behavioral end of things. God he was even breading that he was looking for reactions.
Unvote
Still not sold on Savant, but I suppose he’ll use magistrate on whoever is lynched if he’s town.
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I just wanted to get that out before the DP ends.
I still prefer a lynch on Austin but you guys can do whatever. I’m not going to hard push the rest of town to commit to my plan like I did in the previous game’s DP1.
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Final reads before someone hammers:
Scummiest
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Savant
Austin
Whiteflame
Joebob
Earth
Lunatic
Owen
Wylted
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Towniest
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
@Owen_T
The decision is yours. Choose wisely.
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I don’t think we will get anywhere with a VTNL.
I’m telling you guys, the only reason why my idea from last game’s DP1 didn’t work was because of 420’s mod kill.
I’m leaving my vote on Austin. The rest of you guys can do whatever. If you really want to VTNL/nolynch that bad, go for it I guess.
Imma just be done with what I wanted to accomplish this DP and see what happens.
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We have 5.5 hours left
for clarification, the DP is gonna end at 3pm EST today
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We have 5.5 hours left
I’m down to help with some things if a lot of people get online, but otherwise let’s make a decision quickly.
I still think Austin should be our lynch. For those of you who want more information out of him, he is at L-2, so keep in that in mind.
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That's all for tonight. Lmk what y'all think of my idea, I think it's a pretty stellar one.
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@AustinL0926
I do have one question for you though. Earlier you said Whiteflame would have a +randchance to be scum if Owen was. Why Whiteflame specifically, over anyone else?
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@WyIted
Let's talk about this for a second.
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Earth, I kinda think you have a point here:
Jesus Christ. There was a time Austin would have been policy'd for lying like that.
I looked back ... all I've seen him say is that something he said about his role in DP1 is bs, to an extent. So he's claiming something about his dreamer read is at least partially true. Some sort of gambit I suppose, but I'd be down to enforce the "lynch all liars" concept. I still have that FOS on him, even if Savant is still my top scum read.
Seriously, look at Post #119. It is the microcosm of what I said earlier about him.
1. I like him from a mechanical standpoint, he claimed a Maya Faye, the character who literally had an information-revealing dream in the lore and is "Master of the Kurain Channeling Technique." The claim of dreamer and Maya go together like PB and J. It's a hard character to scumread too, since she is in the lore being falsely accused of shit, forcing Phoenix Wright, the main protagonist, to save her ass.
2. I hate him from a behavior standpoint. It screams "look at me! I have this character and role! no way I could be scum!"... in the game where scum can literally ask if two characters and PRs are in the game. As I said earlier when comparing him to Savant, I can see how a dreamer would be impatient to get someone among their pool lynched and may bread/soft claim a little too hard... but I also very much can see how scum would be just as impatient to use their claims for town cred.
I also said that the mechanical aspect is not a guarantee... sure, Maya is incredibly towny, but that's assuming she's in the game. In this game of Pie's, Percy freaking Jackson was a given fake claim that Barney used. I don't know how major of a character Abhimanyu would've been in Mahabharata Mafia, so let me know on that if you know.
And then, going back to his recent remarks of being somewhat dishonest about his role... the only thing that is a guarantee here is that the confusion he's causing is a massive headache.
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Wylted, you said this earlier:
I feel like lunatic and savant are both town. They both are giving me town vibes. The only thing making me think one is scum is merely austin's claim which he did not elaborate on how he got that claim.For example what if his role is not as simple as, "here are 3 town names, one is scum" .One thing that stands out is Austin remembering off the top of his head that I claimed day cop, and survived way too long after the lynch flipped inno. I wonder if he is trying to one up me here.
How do you feel about these remarks of yours? Earlier I said that if I started to townread Lunatic while still townreading Savant and you, I'd scumread Austin. Currently, my reads on Lunatic and Savant have done a 180 where I now townread Lunatic and scumread Savant, but the same concept applies. Right now you're scumreading Savant, but earlier you were townreading him.
I'm not saying I currently believe Savant is town, but there's a lot of talk going around about him on that. In the event I am wrong on Savant, I'd be so down to lynch Austin.
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Lunatic, you have an interesting theory about Austin being a TP lyncher. You say this because you now townread Savant (I think) and Wylted, but also think Austin is on some gambit. Your theory does have some credibility given Casey's refusal to answer my TP-related question, and the fact that Pie would definitely include such a role in any setup he designed/helped with.
Well, the easiest way to not to worry about Austin's potential TP wincon is to lynch him.
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So obviously you all see where I'm going with this: I propose we lynch Austin, MafiaUniverse-style.
Unvote VTL Austin
If he's town and Dreamer: His results are confirmed and Savant is probably scum.
If he's town and not dreamer: We know what weird gambit he was trying and can work from there on DP2.
If he's scum: Awesome. Scum down, and we don't have to deal with this massive headache anymore. All three of Wylted, Savant, and Lunatic are near-guaranteed to be town.
If he's TP lyncher: We don't have to worry about him winning the game and can scum hunt more effectively from there.
There are some downsides to this, sure, but the advantages are:
1. Great quality information
2. Potential elimination of someone whose wincon competes with town's.
It's kinda like my idea from last game's DP1, where put less stock in our DP1 scumhunting so we can put more stock into gaining better information for DP2 scumhunting.the difference being that no noobs/trolls have been modkilled to put town at a severe numbers disadvantage if he's innocent. I'm telling you guys, the only reason I should've gone with Pie's plan last game was because of 420's modkill. We all know that finding scum DP1 isn't usually the expectation; we all have good reasons to be suspicious of Austin, so there's a good chance he's guilty anyway.
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@Lunatic
Because we already now know that austins "dreamer" results were made up. He's admitted it twice now.
holy shit I missed this. wtf
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@Lunatic
Do you allow third parties to joint win with the main two parties (ie mafia, town)?
Got a PM response. She declined to answer if TPs could win with town.
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