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@Lunatic
So you watched me. You are town confirmed because I did visit myself. I was wondering if you investigated Whiteflame and ended up getting the result of your own affiliation because there of a bus driver instead of a redirector.
First off, I don’t know how you think he is being painted in a negative light in the article. You saw two things that gave you a feeling that aligned with your read on me and cherry picked them to fit your confirmation bias. I don’t know how you think a wiki article on the main protagonist of the whole series would paint him in a negative light. I just read and so thought most of it paints Phoenix in a positive light. Ace Attorney characters are very nuanced, which is something I noticed while researching Edgeworth as a redirector. Edgeworth has some good traits, but he is well-known for manipulating evidence that he became known as the “demon prosecutor.”
However, I will full claim: Doctor.
I visited myself because I thought I would be the NK. In the night, I believed firmly that Savant was scum after my read and Owen’s innocent flip after he claimed Innocent Child, which I thought conflicted with Savant’s magistrate claim (they were two roles that could save townies from mislynches, one by confirmation and by outright prevention)… which I felt left Austin as town. I felt the scum team would be stupid to go after Austin because it would give town info on what he was doing specifically (if Austin was town, another weird gambit or layer to his gambit was not out of the question).
Therefore, I concluded their best move was to roleblock him and look for someone else to kill. I thought about protecting Lunatic because of his refusal to claim in the DP, but I rejected that idea because I didn’t think he was an investigative role, given that I believed Austin’s claim of dreamer at the time. Therefore, I didn’t believe the scum team would think Lunatic was an investigative role either. So I knew the scum team would be looking for other PRs, at which point I believed I was going to be the target. Thankfully, Casey, despite being very secretive at the time, did say I could protect myself, so I did that believing the scum team would find my breadcrumbs.
Looking back, I definitely misevaluated that, because my crumbs might have been too well hidden for mafia, and they were based on faulty reasoning on my part. In DP1, I was making a huge point of saying I liked Austin from a mechanical standpoint. I even said that his role and character work way too well “especially from my perspective.” I forgot that dreamer can be disturbed (until someone mentioned it later in the DP) so when I saw Austin’s claim, I thought, “ok, perfect.” I then thought that I, as Phoenix Wright, was supposed to protect/defend Maya Fey, as is what happened in lore. I realize that I was incorrect now, but only now because my dumbass during the DP and NP didn’t even think about how dreamer being able to be disturbed would impact my mechanical read on Austin (after someone mentioned dreamer could be disturbed).
My justification for being doctor was that time and time again, Wright has saved others from guilty verdicts, sometimes the death penalty, as a defense attorney. This is also part of the reason I scumread Savant’s claim so heavily. I misread the justification he posted and thought it conflicted with mine, and there was no way Casey would use the same justification twice. I thought Savant’s claim said Athena saved people, when it really said she vowed to do so, which is different. I was so confident on Savant being scum that by the time this DP started, I read Joebob was killed, and assumed that was all I needed to read before voting on Savant. I completely did not notice Whiteflame was protected today until minutes later.
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@Lunatic
You try explaining everything you’ve done throughout the game while typing on a mobile phone
Confirmation bias go crazy
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But I’ll type up my explanation of myself first. Still working on it.
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Very big. Also heads up I have a massive scumread on Austin now, and I was typing that up before I saw Lunatic replied to me when I checked my other tab.
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@Lunatic
I know you don’t want to reveal much, but I have something in mind and I need to know: Sid you investigate Whiteflame?
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@whiteflame
Oh wait you have a lore reason. God I am so dumb. Lol. I skimmed the post you linked and missed it
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@whiteflame
Ok. What about Simon Blackquill makes you think Savant is town? If you have a lore reason that links to Athena Cykes, please say. If it’s PR based, don’t
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@Lunatic
Did you investigate Whiteflame by chance last night?
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@whiteflame
I just want a character claim from you right now
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@Earth
My thoughts too. He’s been giving the bare minimum, and was afraid to hammer on low time last DP. In COC endgame he said he needed to adjust to how town would latch onto to someone. He may have been scared to hammer because he saw Casey get cussed immediately for hopping on Pie’s wagon so late last game
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@Lunatic
I am irritated by how much you are playing the “interesting, but I don’t wanna commit to the hard accusation” game
Keep in mind that with Savant being town, I need to reexamine all my reads again and my only real town read now is Wylted
With that being said, I’ll character claim if you do
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Boo. Get new material.
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Ok so I said to Casey that her secretiveness was bullshit in a PM and while I was ranting about it to Lunatic she said “sorry it’s my first game as mod” and decided that she would answer that one question
Someone who was given strength in the night would not be notified of it
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@Lunatic
It's interesting only because if you were the redirector you would have already been able to ask the mod that question and thus would already know
Ask the mod about what? The strengthener, in which case if I was redirector I wouldn’t be told shit?
Because for some godforsaken reason Casey won’t even answer any hypotheticals about how a role would operate if it were to be in the game, unless it’s your specific role.
Minutes ago I asked her if a strengthened player would be notified of their new strength in the night… all I got was “I can’t reveal that information because it might tell you something about a role that may or may not be in the game that isn’t your own blah blah blah”
I think it’s more fair to town (and really all players) if everyone would know how a role would work if it were to be in the game (mods can answer these questions without confirming the role is in the game, just saying Casey), but hey, what the hell do I know
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@Lunatic
I trusted what the wiki said. I suppose mods can differ but I wasn’t thinking about that; I trusted the wiki. How many mods do that anyway? Tbf I think I’ve seen you do that (i don’t really remember), but I think most mods are gonna look up how a role works on the MU or MS wiki and just use whatever’s there. But sure, very interesting post from me, Kramnik style
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@Lunatic
Dude it literally gave a link to the MS wiki. It literally says anyone who is strengthened cannot be interfered with by any roleblocks or redirects
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@AustinL0926
Yeah I think the best way to start this DP is your results
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@Lunatic
It makes sense with the game design.. although the behavior is off
Are you saying Earth may have made that claim knowing it’d work well after town figured there was a redirector?
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@Earth
I buy Earth’s claim now… would like to know who they targeted though
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@Earth
Oh nvm I found it… it’s on the mafia scum wiki
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@Earth
What the hell does strengthener even do? Couldn’t find anything on the MU wiki
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@Savant
WF being the redirected (or bus driven now that I think about it) target is definitely sus. I’m not sure on earth. They’ve been hiding in the back a lot… not sure what to make of the Godot claim
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@Lunatic
Yeah you mean Owen. I literally just explained why.
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Would you be fine with character claiming?
I’ll consider it.
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@Lunatic
Because like I’ve been saying the last two games. I like at least some lynch DP1 for information. I think I voted after Joebob said that there was no way I’d get people to go for savant in 5 minutes and I knew he was right, so I voted. I was hoping the flip would at least confirm magistrate was bs, but as it turns out, they’re both in this game
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@Savant
I was gonna ask if Whiteflame was your intended target… glad you weren’t muted, which was another concern of mine
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@Savant
You’re confirmed now. I was looking into the wiki and saw Edgeworth manipulated evidence in court once. I had a feeling he would be in this game, and I redirector made the most sense.
But wait, doesn’t that mean scum team doesn’t have a roleblock?
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@Lunatic
I respected the hell out of your unwillingness to claim and I thought it was townie. I felt no scum that exists would actually refuse to claim there.
So I started with a new idea… what if I look at who I think is trying to fit in the most? That led me to Savant, because I townread Wylted. Even after Austin admitted he was bullshitting, I still thought the scumread on Savant was reasonable. Savant was the one operating within the parameters of the claims of 3 the most, and I thought that it was trying to blend in. Also, given that Austin was bullshitting, your willingness to look elsewhere made for sense, which ended up making Savant’s idea that you were just trying to escape POE make less sense, and I also contributed to my newfound scumread on him.
I also didn’t like magistrate from a mechanical standpoint. I felt it was redundant given protective roles and a claimed innocent child.
And about the claim: I wasn’t sold on it. Athena’s whole gimmick is her mood necklace and her emotion stuff. I felt “just saving people who were assumed guilty” was a justification better used on another character within Ace Attorney. Admittedly, I misread Savant’s post on his full claim, because the justification was never about saving someone, it was about just knowing they were innocent… and vowing to save others in the same situation in the future.
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@WyIted
I had a strong feeling Owen was a noob who messed up and people overreacted to his noobiness.
But I’d rather take a lynch than not… given the flip of Innocent Child, a role that protects a townie from lynch, I’m not a fan of magistrate, a role that does the same. I wasn’t a fan of it late DP1 either, because it would be redundant in the face of any protective roles that may exist in this game.
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@WyIted
So six years to change for you, and three years to change and then change again for Crooks.
It’s a fringe possibility in his case but it’s so unlikely.
And about the primaries, that’s what I’m saying.
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@ILikePie5
@cristo71
There’s evidence to back the idea of Crooks registering for the party he doesn’t philosophically align with.
Remember in 2022 when Pennsylvania Dems were asking their voter base to vote in the Republican primaries?
The article says few of them heeded the call, but if anyone was gonna do it, it’s probably the guy who donated $15 to ActBlue and shot at Trump.
He probably stayed registered for the reason Pie suggested.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Actually that was sarcasm but you’re not bright enough to pick up on it. But you agree that a smart person can’t be a Republican.
What??? IWRA being sarcastic??? No way!!! I could never have known! He only used sarcasm several times yesterday and today, how could I possibly know he’d be doing it again?
Damn you and your superior sarcasm! You truly know sarcasm when you see it! You would never miss a sarcastic remark!
Obvious sarcasm on my part aside (because I have to tell you since you’re the one who has actually missed sarcasm), my point stands. We are barely talking about Crooks now because you know the evidence favors what I’ve said. You’re just butthurt.
Also, it’s funny how you keep trying to one-up me in the sarcasm department after I pantsed you in front of the site yesterday.
He obviously contributed to Act Blue as a false flag so people would think he was a Democrat and blame the left. He’s a cunning Republican Never Trumper.
Yes clearly. A man like you would never say a conspiracy theory while calling others out tor it, right?
Of course Crooks was a conservative planning this three years in advance! How could I not see that?! He wasn’t too much of a little bitch to touch a rifle, after all!
Again, this is obvious sarcasm that you might miss. Just trying to help you out here.
Were you at the Capital on January 6th? Why not? Are you not a patriot? Are you a chicken?How many years has it been since January 6th? Still no accountability. The system is rigged. 2A is the only way to stop Trump and the MAGA MORONS.Republicans have said the elections are rigged so we can’t rely on that process anymore.
To be honest, I didn’t care enough to attend Jan 6. I’m not convinced the election was stolen, nor was I willing to abandon what I was doing for a few days. You’re the only one between the two of us who thinks peace isn’t an option; I wouldn’t recommend it, but I can’t stop you from being braver than me.
However, I doubt you’d do anything right now. You’re a shit excuse for a human being who might do something horrible in the future, but for now, you’re also a sad, angry loser who likes blowing off steam on DART all day long (if your one month ban didn’t make it obvious enough).
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Well this guy was smart and a good student so that does make it less likely he’s a Republican, I’ll give you that.
That’s a funny way of saying “You were right and I’m butthurt about it.”
The MAGA MORONS would. He’s likely a very patriotic American who was concerned about a wanna be dictator coming to power with the help of the country’s dumbest citizens
Go ahead. Try and follow in his footsteps. I dare you. It won’t end well for you, but if you really think that way, whatever. I wouldn’t genuinely recommend it, though.
A former President who was impeached twice, told a BIG LIE and tried to subvert the election in 2020. The purpose of the Second Amendment according to MAGA MORONS is to stop tyranny. Trump is a tyrant in waiting.
*To stop tyranny, where all peaceable means have been exhausted. Our country still has a free and fair election coming in November, and we still have the rule of law intact. Our government is not oppressing our free speech, nor are they raiding our towns for our guns.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
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And that’s significant because….
… is it really not obvious enough for you?
Here you go. Lol.
Do you spend most of your free time thinking about wack job conspiracy theories?
AP News is posting conspiracy theories now?
Don’t look at me. You were the one concluded the guy was a “jilted Trump lover” with no evidence yesterday.
Most normal people would assume he’s a lunatic on the fringes of the left. Apparently that’s not reasonable to you, since that idea would make your side of the left look bad.
He’s a patriot exercising his Second Amendment remedies that Trump himself has promoted in the past.
Gee, I love it when the 2A gives me the right to gun down a former president on the campaign trail!
But I’m sticking with my first answer, you’re a MAGA MORON
Despite all evidence. LOL.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Right, because you’re a MAGA MORON
Or because he donated $15 to ActBlue in 2021, was encouraged by Pennsylvania Democrats to vote in Republican primaries in 2022, and shot at Donald Trump yesterday.
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