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I just wanted to get that out before the DP ends.
I still prefer a lynch on Austin but you guys can do whatever. I’m not going to hard push the rest of town to commit to my plan like I did in the previous game’s DP1.
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Final reads before someone hammers:
Scummiest
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Savant
Austin
Whiteflame
Joebob
Earth
Lunatic
Owen
Wylted
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Towniest
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@Earth
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@JoeBob
@Owen_T
The decision is yours. Choose wisely.
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I don’t think we will get anywhere with a VTNL.
I’m telling you guys, the only reason why my idea from last game’s DP1 didn’t work was because of 420’s mod kill.
I’m leaving my vote on Austin. The rest of you guys can do whatever. If you really want to VTNL/nolynch that bad, go for it I guess.
Imma just be done with what I wanted to accomplish this DP and see what happens.
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We have 5.5 hours left
for clarification, the DP is gonna end at 3pm EST today
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We have 5.5 hours left
I’m down to help with some things if a lot of people get online, but otherwise let’s make a decision quickly.
I still think Austin should be our lynch. For those of you who want more information out of him, he is at L-2, so keep in that in mind.
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That's all for tonight. Lmk what y'all think of my idea, I think it's a pretty stellar one.
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@AustinL0926
I do have one question for you though. Earlier you said Whiteflame would have a +randchance to be scum if Owen was. Why Whiteflame specifically, over anyone else?
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@WyIted
Let's talk about this for a second.
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Earth, I kinda think you have a point here:
Jesus Christ. There was a time Austin would have been policy'd for lying like that.
I looked back ... all I've seen him say is that something he said about his role in DP1 is bs, to an extent. So he's claiming something about his dreamer read is at least partially true. Some sort of gambit I suppose, but I'd be down to enforce the "lynch all liars" concept. I still have that FOS on him, even if Savant is still my top scum read.
Seriously, look at Post #119. It is the microcosm of what I said earlier about him.
1. I like him from a mechanical standpoint, he claimed a Maya Faye, the character who literally had an information-revealing dream in the lore and is "Master of the Kurain Channeling Technique." The claim of dreamer and Maya go together like PB and J. It's a hard character to scumread too, since she is in the lore being falsely accused of shit, forcing Phoenix Wright, the main protagonist, to save her ass.
2. I hate him from a behavior standpoint. It screams "look at me! I have this character and role! no way I could be scum!"... in the game where scum can literally ask if two characters and PRs are in the game. As I said earlier when comparing him to Savant, I can see how a dreamer would be impatient to get someone among their pool lynched and may bread/soft claim a little too hard... but I also very much can see how scum would be just as impatient to use their claims for town cred.
I also said that the mechanical aspect is not a guarantee... sure, Maya is incredibly towny, but that's assuming she's in the game. In this game of Pie's, Percy freaking Jackson was a given fake claim that Barney used. I don't know how major of a character Abhimanyu would've been in Mahabharata Mafia, so let me know on that if you know.
And then, going back to his recent remarks of being somewhat dishonest about his role... the only thing that is a guarantee here is that the confusion he's causing is a massive headache.
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Wylted, you said this earlier:
I feel like lunatic and savant are both town. They both are giving me town vibes. The only thing making me think one is scum is merely austin's claim which he did not elaborate on how he got that claim.For example what if his role is not as simple as, "here are 3 town names, one is scum" .One thing that stands out is Austin remembering off the top of his head that I claimed day cop, and survived way too long after the lynch flipped inno. I wonder if he is trying to one up me here.
How do you feel about these remarks of yours? Earlier I said that if I started to townread Lunatic while still townreading Savant and you, I'd scumread Austin. Currently, my reads on Lunatic and Savant have done a 180 where I now townread Lunatic and scumread Savant, but the same concept applies. Right now you're scumreading Savant, but earlier you were townreading him.
I'm not saying I currently believe Savant is town, but there's a lot of talk going around about him on that. In the event I am wrong on Savant, I'd be so down to lynch Austin.
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Lunatic, you have an interesting theory about Austin being a TP lyncher. You say this because you now townread Savant (I think) and Wylted, but also think Austin is on some gambit. Your theory does have some credibility given Casey's refusal to answer my TP-related question, and the fact that Pie would definitely include such a role in any setup he designed/helped with.
Well, the easiest way to not to worry about Austin's potential TP wincon is to lynch him.
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So obviously you all see where I'm going with this: I propose we lynch Austin, MafiaUniverse-style.
Unvote VTL Austin
If he's town and Dreamer: His results are confirmed and Savant is probably scum.
If he's town and not dreamer: We know what weird gambit he was trying and can work from there on DP2.
If he's scum: Awesome. Scum down, and we don't have to deal with this massive headache anymore. All three of Wylted, Savant, and Lunatic are near-guaranteed to be town.
If he's TP lyncher: We don't have to worry about him winning the game and can scum hunt more effectively from there.
There are some downsides to this, sure, but the advantages are:
1. Great quality information
2. Potential elimination of someone whose wincon competes with town's.
It's kinda like my idea from last game's DP1, where put less stock in our DP1 scumhunting so we can put more stock into gaining better information for DP2 scumhunting.the difference being that no noobs/trolls have been modkilled to put town at a severe numbers disadvantage if he's innocent. I'm telling you guys, the only reason I should've gone with Pie's plan last game was because of 420's modkill. We all know that finding scum DP1 isn't usually the expectation; we all have good reasons to be suspicious of Austin, so there's a good chance he's guilty anyway.
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@Lunatic
Because we already now know that austins "dreamer" results were made up. He's admitted it twice now.
holy shit I missed this. wtf
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@Lunatic
Do you allow third parties to joint win with the main two parties (ie mafia, town)?
Got a PM response. She declined to answer if TPs could win with town.
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@Casey_Risk
Do you allow third parties to joint win with the main two parties (ie mafia, town)?
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@Lunatic
pie thought savant was lyncher last game, and that was plausible given his behavior.
yeah, Pie did say that to me in discord
Why is it bastard?
A conversation for another day. TLDR is that nowadays I like my smaller size games to have two factions only, and I like giving town some form of quick way to figure out there is a TP in the game if I do put one in any game
I don't think it's worth debating now... the bigger question is whether or not Casey would do that... we know Pie would so I'll give your theory credit there
They win. Sometimes the mods will allow them to join win with the winning party. I did in my last game, though, admittedly, makes third party feel kind of useless. I just did it because I know how people tend to dislike non joint winning third parties.
This is a good question for Casey.
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Now my thoughts are changing a bit. I am wondering if he is a 3rd party lyncher, whose goal is to quickly lynch savant dp1 and then try to side with town (why he is putting us in his town pile).
I initially dismissed the idea of a tp lyncher, but now that I think about it, Pie did tell me he thought someone was a tp lyncher last game… Lemme go check my discord messages with him I think he said it there
Even so, imo tp lyncher is incredibly bastard in a 9 player game if town has no way about finding out about them… really hoping Casey would ignore Pie if he ever told her to put that role in a game….
What are the consequences of a tp lyncher getting a lynch anyways? I gotta look that up
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@whiteflame
The Restless Spirit claim is interesting given that it was Casey's fake claim last game, but given how it was brought up, WyIted remains a town lean.
Well, Casey did design this game. Perhaps she looked up the role when fake claiming it last game and thought it would be neat to include in this game
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Yeah I highly doubt there’s a tp
And to be honest, if I am looking at from a “who wants to blend in” perspective, I’m going to vote Savant
I can at least understand Austin’s play based on his claimed role.
I don’t understand how a magistrate would just throw their role away unless they want to blend in. Savant is known for tunneling, and it shocked me he would just out that role the second he got it given the power over a lynch that it gets him
Also, going within Austin’s group of three seems logical, but I was questioning it, and Lunatic was questioning it even more I think. Now I get why he wanted to look elsewhere toward me and earth. But Savant stayed within the ring of three… under my new line of logic, it would be because straying outside of what town is doing, even in the slightest, may be too much of a risk for him
And to be honest, the justification on his character is still a little awkward after thinking more… it sure isn’t as concrete as Austin’s imo
And I also just trust Wylted a lot.
VTL Savant
For death
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heats just ended… they are having a break before the main event
you know what? I actually respect the hell out of Lunatic for not claiming. It’s a move that screams “I don’t need to blend in”
And honestly, looking at this game from that angle makes more sense
I’m down to go for Savant or Austin
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@Lunatic
I’m at the race track. Was posting from the car.
I’m not gonna vote Lunatic because I think we’re at 3 after looking at Casey’s most recent count and seeing Wylted’s vote.
But I want his full role claim.
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@WyIted
Also, I think we should cross examine/interrogate all three of Austin, Savant, and Lunatic.
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@WyIted
We don’t have to lynch Lunatic just yet. Let’s wait for a claim.
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@WyIted
I’ll join in on the pressure in a sec lemme go count how many votes are on Linatic rn
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Shit I might be addicted to mafia
Ok maybe addicted is not the word word but I am hyper focused on this game
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@JoeBob
no enjoy vacation
Hear me out: We do, in fact, ball… but why haven’t we considered: “fuck it,”?
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@Earth
Oh wait Athena does check out then.
God I read that earlier while looking at all the characters ages in the wiki so I would know what year to say when I asked everyone for their character’s birth year
Yeah some other dude got accused and Athena’s testimony saved his ass… I could’ve reaffirmed Savants aim earlier but I completely forgot ffs
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Going to a small dirt racetrack in the middle of Fucking Nowhere, Iowa with my dad and sister.
See y’all at 11 cst… I think
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@WyIted
Let me know your thoughts when you’re done. You are my top town read and I still think your abilities in reading others are superior to mine.
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Fuck it. If I keep posting like that instead of trying to craft the perfect analysis post that is organized with links to my sources and formatted correctly and addresses counter arguments with a cherry on top, I would have plenty of time to play the game while enjoying my time with the extended fam
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@Casey_Risk
I’m waffling now lol
Chat, should I stay in the game?
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Fuck now I feel like posting that lifted a burden off my shoulders and now I feel like I could play the rest of the game if I did the rest of my posts like that
Fuck
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@Casey_Risk
Oh I forgot about Barney. Lmk know if he can’t, I have connections and can find someone else.
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My final thoughts before I dip:
I’m still leaning scum on Lunatic. I don’t understand the logic of what he’s doing this game. I feel like his vote on me was complete nonsense earlier, basically just “Mharman exists, maybe it’s him” and then he just builds a case later because we disagree on what RVS is. Then, when I say “how tf am I going to know your ideas from your perspective,” he just says I’m playing it off as a misunderstanding. No shit I’m gonna get defensive, Lunatic; your logic is shit and I’d rather not be mislynched. In his eyes, my denial is a confession. If that’s all he’s got that’s hilarious.
Not to mention, he isn’t even looking within Savant and Wylted that much anymore. He spent a lot of time talking about how Austin could be on some gambit. I don’t buy that- I think if you’re in a claimed dreamer’s group, scum is either in your group or the person claiming dreamer. If this is some kind of town gambit on Austin’s part, it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen, and I think Austin smarter than that. I think Savant is right when he says what Lunatic is doing this as a way of dodging POE.
But, for whatever reason, Wylted townreads him. I can’t say I agree, but I will admit Wylted’s reads were better than mine last game. So who knows what Wylted’s figured out. I mean he says Lunatic being erratic is a town tell but Lunatic doesn’t strike me as the erratic type. Maybe Wylted has something else figured out, but I don’t see it.
Leaning town on Savant. I’ve been reading his posts and to me, I see the thought process. I see how he jumps from one idea to another, but it looks more cohesive than erratic. To be honest, even if he is tunneling a bit, I don’t see how that makes him scum. He was literally town and doing that last game. Not to mention that if Austin is to be believed, it makes sense to focus on looking for scum among those three he dreamed about.
I will admit however, that his role claim doesn’t make much sense and being willing to character claim so early with little pressure isn’t automatically towny given that we’re in a game where mafia can ask who’s in the game. And if Wylted’s logic about Lunatic’s behavior is correct, then perhaps Savant’s behavior and thought process as expressed in his posts are a little too crafted.
I still hard town read Wylted. The first slip where he tagged Pie could’ve been easily faked, but the whole thing where we false CC’d Austin bc two character have similar names is towny af to me. There’s also just his vibes in general.
My read on Austin is weird. Again, either he’s found scum among his pool of three or he’s scum; I don’t think he’s doing any weird gambit if he’s town.
I like him as town from a mechanical standpoint. I think Wylted is right that dreamer sounds like a role Pie would put in his game and I also like how well his character and role fit together. It feels a little too concrete to be faked by mafia who learned Maya Fey and dreamer wasn’t in the game. It is possible given that Pie having a say in this setup means there’s a chance he could told Casey to reward scum who go for the risky claims (I think this was the case in the Percy Jackson game he did?), but I don’t think it’s likely because of how well it looks like it fits, especially from my perspective.
From a behavioral standpoint, it’s a bit strange. It feels like he drew way too much attention to his own softclaim, breading over and over again… it’s like he wanted town to figure it out as soon as possible, and to me, the point of breading is to be less obvious so you can reveal it when the time is right. Even his earlier appeal to how Maya was the deuteragonist of the series feels disingenuous given what was stated on Post #1. It reads as “look at me, I’m this role and I can’t possibly be scum!”
And yet, if he really did dream about those three and knows one of them is scum, it makes sense if he were to start leading town in the direction of those three asap. I just think the way he approached it is so weird.
As for everyone else… I’m still unsure. I kinda line what Owen is doing here, although the buddying with Savant is a little bit excessive. But hey, maybe if you’re a rookie you’re gonna be hard buddying the only person you town read. I feel like Earth is hiding a bit too far in the back, so that’s off putting. Whiteflame is interesting, but nothing strikes me as wrong about him. Joebob is also hiding in the back a lot; at least Earth took the time to consider whether or not they should go with my claim suggestion. Whenever JoeBob does step in he’s basically says something like “I have no idea what’s going on, please helps.” I don’t think Joebob is that much of a noob anymore.
So my current scum reads are Lunatic and Joebob. Savant, Earth and Austin are possible; Austin is more plausible than Earth, who is more plausible than Savant imo
I recommend y’all lynch Lunatic this DP and go from there. If y’all really feel I’m that wrong on Savant, go for it I guess. But please, keep an eye on Austin and dig deep into him if scum isn’t lynched today.
That’s all, peace out.
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@Casey_Risk
Look. For hours I was analyzing the game but got exhausted and gave up. Imma be honest I don’t wanna play this game anymore… I’m on a vacation with extended family and I’m just sitting in a cabin while everyone else in my family is doing stuff together. I shouldn’t have joined this game to begin with, but I like mafia and don’t want it die out. But to be honest, this game is feeling like way too much of a chore right now so I think I’m gonna dip. I’ll try to find someone to replace me.
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@Savant
If you really think your role sucks, there's no reason not to.
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Starting on those reads on Owen, Whiteflame, Earth, and JoeBob
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@WyIted
I didn't notice this behavior. I now town read lunatic. Let's lynch savant after Austin confirms he is not full of shit.
Why would you town read Lunatic for this? If he believes that counts as an RVS, then sure it's not scummy, but how is that towny? Genuine question because you had the best reads last game.
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So it's getting late and I'm going to go to bed in about 5 minutes. I'll post my reads tomorrow morning, but the summary is that I still scumread Lunatic (for reasons other than his earlier vote on Wylted), I still townread Wylted, and I now townread Savant. These reads aren't based on any kind of POE- just my thoughts on their behavior. Additionally, I have a newfound FOS on Austin, so if something changes and I start to townread Lunatic while still townreading the other two, I will have a scumread on him. I have no thoughts on anyone else because I'm convinced we'll find scum among the previous four, but I will analyze them before posting my reads so I have something on everybody.
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